From UFO Stories to National Security

Introduction to the UFO Phenomenon

The discussion surrounding unidentified flying objects (UFOs) has gained significant traction in recent years, particularly following revelations from whistleblowers and government officials. The narrative suggests a long-standing government acknowledgment of UFOs, with claims that the military has been encountering them regularly. This has led to the establishment of a task force aimed at investigating these phenomena, with Congress expressing a need for more transparency and information regarding UFOs.

The Origins of the Pentagon's UFO Program

In 2007, under the direction of Senator Harry Reid, the Pentagon initiated a program known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The program was initially shrouded in secrecy, with its first director remaining unnamed. Subsequently, Luis Elizondo, a counterintelligence official, took the helm and became the public face of the UFO narrative. AATIP was funded with $22 million, which was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow, a long-time supporter of Reid.

Bigelow has been involved in UFO research for decades, and his team included Hal Puthoff, a controversial figure with ties to the Church of Scientology and past involvement in CIA projects aimed at developing psychic spies. AATIP operated from 2007 until its funding was cut in 2012, at which point the Pentagon claimed other priorities took precedence. Despite this, Elizondo asserted that he continued the program unofficially for several years after its official termination.

Media Revelations and Public Response

Elizondo's resignation from the Pentagon in October 2017 marked a pivotal moment in the UFO narrative. Following his departure, he, along with Puthoff and others, collaborated with Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy (TTSA) to present new findings about UFOs. A press event held by TTSA introduced Elizondo to the public, where he stated that the UFO phenomenon was real. This event coincided with the release of videos showing UFOs captured by the U.S. Navy, which were subsequently reported by major news outlets, including the New York Times and Politico.

However, the media's initial reaction was mixed, often framing the story as sensational celebrity news rather than a serious national security issue. Despite this, the coverage sparked widespread interest and debate about the existence of UFOs and the government's role in investigating them.

Discrepancies in Reporting

As the story unfolded, researchers like John Greenwald began to scrutinize the details reported by various media outlets. Greenwald, who runs The Black Vault, a repository of government documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, identified inconsistencies in the reporting. For instance, different sources reported varying names for the AATIP program, leading to confusion about its true nature and scope.

Moreover, discrepancies in the timeline of the program's inception raised questions about the accuracy of the reporting. While the New York Times claimed AATIP began in 2007, other reports suggested it was established in 2008 or 2009, leading to further skepticism about the credibility of the information being disseminated.

Elizondo's Role and Pentagon Statements

Elizondo's role as the director of AATIP has also been a point of contention. While media outlets consistently referred to him as the program's leader, the Pentagon issued statements denying that he held any official responsibilities within AATIP. This contradiction has persisted, with the Pentagon maintaining that Elizondo's involvement was minimal, if not nonexistent.

Additionally, the release of a famous UFO video by the Pentagon, which was claimed to have been investigated by AATIP, raised further questions. The video was filmed in 2015, three years after AATIP's funding was cut, leading to speculation about the accuracy of the timeline and the claims surrounding the program.

The Role of Bigelow and the AWSAP Program

In the midst of these revelations, the relationship between Senator Reid and Robert Bigelow came under scrutiny. Critics pointed out that Bigelow's financial contributions to Reid's political campaigns raised ethical concerns about the funding and direction of the UFO research programs. The Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AWSAP), which was created around the same time as AATIP, became a focal point for understanding the broader context of government-funded UFO research.

AWSAP, unlike AATIP, was explicitly designed to investigate not only UFOs but also paranormal phenomena, including reports of ghosts and other supernatural occurrences. This aspect of the program was largely omitted from mainstream media coverage, which focused primarily on the UFO angle. The AWSAP program was eventually deemed ineffective, leading to its termination in 2012 due to a lack of substantial findings.

Confusion and Misinformation

The narrative surrounding UFOs has been further complicated by misinformation and conflicting accounts from various stakeholders. The original New York Times article, which is often credited with reigniting public interest in UFOs, has been criticized for its selective reporting. Leslie Kane, one of the article's authors, later admitted that she chose to focus solely on UFOs to lend credibility to the subject, thereby excluding other aspects of the AWSAP program that involved paranormal investigations.

This decision has led to a skewed perception of the government's UFO research efforts, with many believing that the focus was solely on aerial threats rather than a broader investigation into unexplained phenomena. The lack of transparency and clarity in reporting has perpetuated confusion and skepticism among researchers and the public alike.

Conclusion: The Future of UFO Research

As the discourse surrounding UFOs continues to evolve, it remains crucial to critically assess the information being presented. The interplay between government secrecy, media reporting, and public perception has created a complex landscape that challenges our understanding of UFO phenomena. Moving forward, it is essential to seek clarity and truth in the ongoing investigation of these mysterious occurrences, as the implications for national security and our understanding of the universe are profound.

In upcoming discussions, there will be an examination of notable UFO stories and the narratives that have shaped public perception. The journey to uncover the truth about UFOs is just beginning, and the quest for answers will undoubtedly lead to further revelations and insights.

The transcript provides a detailed narrative regarding several extraordinary claims related to unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and paranormal phenomena, though it notably does not mention specific phrases like "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." Instead, the discussion centers on the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) and its investigation into various phenomena, including paranormal activities at Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, which was described as a "paranormal Disneyland."

James Lakatsky, a figure associated with the Pentagon's UFO investigation efforts, remarked on the eclectic nature of the research, which apparently covered topics beyond mere UFOs. This includes references to unusual creatures and poltergeist activity, indicating an interest in a wide range of supernatural claims. However, the transcript does not provide specific names or detailed descriptions of fantastical entities or phenomena like "bulletproof werewolves" or "dinosaur beavers." Instead, it implies that the scope of investigations included a variety of spooky and unorthodox claims.

While the transcript articulates a sense of skepticism and confusion surrounding the narratives presented by government programs, it stops short of mentioning any concrete examples of the specific keywords requested. Therefore, key details regarding the particular paranormal events or entities that were claimed to be investigated remain unmentioned.

• [20:51] "the so-called pentagon ufo program was not just a ufo program but rather an investigation into a cornucopia of spooky and scary things including werewolves, ghosts and half dinosaur half beaver monsters."
• [21:36] "the project manager of the program referred to skinwalker ranch as a paranormal disneyland."

The transcript does not provide explicit instances where the government created or promoted "fake" UFO evidence. Instead, it discusses the complex narrative surrounding the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) without mentioning any deliberate deception or fabrication of evidence.

There is a strong focus on the discrepancies in reporting about the programs, particularly regarding their names and timelines. For example, it highlights the confusion around the naming of AATIP and AAWSAP, with different sources reporting varying names and dates related to these programs. However, it does not mention any specific activities such as "fake Special Access Programs," the planting of fake UFO photos, or the use of UFO cover stories to protect advanced military technology.

Instead, the transcript elaborates on the complexities and contradictions inherent in the government’s disclosure about these programs. It emphasizes how the initial reports, particularly the 2017 New York Times article, may have contributed to a misrepresentation of the actual activities involved in these investigations, but it stops short of asserting that any of these were fabricated or fake. Thus, key details regarding the creation or promotion of fake UFO evidence are not mentioned.

• [11:29] "you can’t be a year or two off and to this day the reported dates of the ufo program remain all over the place."
• [12:10] "the pentagon has released statements stating mr elizondo had no responsibilities with atip."

The transcript elaborates on several government programs and funding streams associated with UFO investigations, specifically mentioning the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP). Both programs were created at the behest of Senator Harry Reid, who played a pivotal role in securing funding for these initiatives, amounting to a total of $22 million.

Initially, AATIP was established to investigate unidentified aerial phenomena, but the funding was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow, who is described as a long-time supporter of Reid. BAASS was tasked with conducting research and investigations into UFOs and related phenomena. The transcript details that AAWSAP, which began in 2008, was ostensibly aimed at evaluating future aerospace technologies and potential threats, although it was indicated that the program included studies of paranormal phenomena.

Despite the allocated funding for these programs, the transcript notes that the Pentagon ultimately determined that the reports produced by AAWSAP were of limited value, leading to the discontinuation of its funding in 2012. This decision was based on the assertion that other higher-priority issues warranted the allocation of taxpayer money. The narrative raises questions regarding the effectiveness and transparency of these programs, particularly in light of their unusual investigative focus.

• [19:24] "the pentagon awarded the 22 million dollars to bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or bass."
• [22:40] "the program was terminated in 2012 due to lack of real progress and concerns about the viability of the program."

The transcript discusses the interaction between "True Believers" in UFO phenomena and U.S. government institutions, particularly Congress and the Pentagon. It indicates that there exists a dynamic where believers in UFOs have influenced perceptions and priorities within governmental structures. Following the release of the 2017 New York Times article, which reported on the existence of AATIP, there was a significant shift in how UFOs were discussed within congressional circles.

This article served as a catalyst, or a "domino" effect, leading Congress to take a more open stance on funding and supporting research into UFO phenomena. The transcript suggests that the article helped to legitimize UFO claims and enabled politicians to advocate for related research more openly, thus intertwining the belief in UFOs with official governmental discourse.

Furthermore, the narrative implies that the skepticism surrounding official data was overshadowed by sensational claims made by those who assert the existence of extraterrestrial life or advanced technology. The mention of a potential "UFO religion" infiltrating governmental bodies reflects a broader cultural acceptance of UFO narratives, which may have contributed to this shift.

However, the transcript does not provide direct evidence of such infiltration or detail specific instances where official data was ignored in favor of sensational claims. Key details regarding the mechanics of this influence remain vague, indicating that while the interaction is noted, the specifics of how it plays out in terms of policy or decisions are not fully explored.

• [27:47] "since the new york times story came out in december 2017, it’s politically viable for elected officials to come forward and say i support this kind of research."
• [28:11] "it’s another matter for a politician to say i agree with spending money to investigate places like skinwalker ranch with spooky stories of boogeymen and werewolves."

The transcript touches on several mundane or technological explanations that have been proposed to counter famous UFO sightings, though it does not delve deeply into specific instances. One notable example mentioned is the infamous blurry party balloon, which was later reported as the explanation for a large object captured in a photo displayed by former Department of Defense official Chris Mellon, who claimed it was a UFO.

Additionally, the transcript discusses a range of phenomena that have traditionally been misinterpreted as UFOs, but it does not provide specific technical explanations such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, or thermal imaging glare. Instead, it emphasizes the confusion surrounding the identification of such objects and how they are often mischaracterized in the media.

The overall tone of the transcript leans towards skepticism regarding sensational claims about UFOs, suggesting that many reported sightings could have reasonable explanations rooted in misidentification of common objects or natural phenomena. However, the transcript does not provide a comprehensive list of these mundane explanations, nor does it detail the mechanisms by which these sightings are analyzed or debunked.

• [05:44] "the ufo in the photo was later reported to just be a blurry party balloon."
• [12:56] "the department of defense released a statement saying no that video had not been cleared for public release."

[00:07] so
[00:23] you are here in the middle of a domino effect one  that started years ago and one that shows no sign
[00:34] of stopping a bombshell story said ufos are real  a whistleblower said the government knows the
[00:42] military has encountered them every day for years  there are videos and photos insiders say off-world
[00:51] vehicles congress says we need to know more about  the ufo a task force created to figure it out
[00:59] are they aliens is there doubt a reports release  saying maybe it's real the information comes
[01:04] with an official seal a ufo office without  delusions will look to the skies and find
[01:10] conclusions the government seems ready for  the long haul and on and on the dominoes fall
[01:17] i will tell you unequivocally that there is  very compelling evidence that we we may not
[01:23] be alone this all seems like it's heading towards  an ultimate truth no longer ignored a revelation
[01:31] for better or worse will further define the  universe but the story was too good to be true
[01:40] the story was wrong and instead of being closer  to the truth we probably couldn't be further away
[02:00] for those of you unfamiliar with the  current ufo story and the cast of
[02:05] characters within here's a quick primer based  on information that was originally reported
[02:11] in 2007 at the behest of senator harry reid the  pentagon via the defense intelligence agency
[02:19] created a ufo program called the advanced  aerospace threat identification program or
[02:25] atip the first director of atip was a person whose  name wasn't reported and who remained unknown the
[02:33] next director of atip was luis salazando a counter  intelligence official at the pentagon who by now
[02:40] has become the face of the whole story  atip was funded with 22 million dollars
[02:47] the pentagon awarded the 22 million dollars to  bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or bass
[02:54] bass was contracted to perform  atip's ufo research and investigation
[03:00] bass was founded by millionaire and long-time  harry reid financial supporter robert bigelow
[03:06] bigelow's been hunting ufos his whole life within  the bass team was hal put off a former member of
[03:13] the church of scientology who claims to  be a psychic who can predict the future
[03:20] during the cold war put off was involved in  the cia's project stargate which attempted
[03:25] to create psychic spies that could use  paranormal powers to fight the russians
[03:30] stargate was shut down after not achieving  this goal the rest of the bass team was largely
[03:38] unknown atip investigated ufos  for five years from 2007 to 2012.
[03:48] in 2012 the pentagon pulled the program's  funding and shut it down saying it was
[03:55] determined that there were other higher  priority issues that merited funding
[04:00] despite losing funding luis elizondo claimed he  kept atip going for years after this staying on
[04:08] as the program's director on october 4th 2017  elizondo resigned from his job at the pentagon
[04:16] frustrated that ufos were not taken seriously  by military leaders at the department of defense
[04:23] immediately after his resignation elizondo hal put  off and others took the atip ufo story to former
[04:31] blink 182 rock star tom de long and his to the  stars academy or ttsa a for-profit science and
[04:38] entertainment company on october 11th ttsa held  a press event featuring tom delong lou elizondo
[04:47] hal put off and other former government officials  who claimed to have new revelations about ufos
[04:54] the long introduced elizondo to the world for the  first time my name is lou elizondo for nearly the
[05:01] last decade i ran a sensitive aerospace threat  identification program focusing on unidentified
[05:06] aerial technologies it was in this position  i learned that the phenomenon is indeed real
[05:16] in addition to revealing elizondo and the  pentagon ufo program de long also announced
[05:22] that he was going to build an exotic craft with  an energy source that can revolutionize the world
[05:28] build his own ufo another presentation by former  dod official chris mellon revealed a shocking
[05:35] new ufo case and he displayed a large photo of  the ufo at one point the object soars to 80 000
[05:44] feet hovers then drops at supersonic speeds  coming to a full stop how did it accomplish
[05:52] these feats the ufo in the photo was later  reported to just be a blurry party balloon
[05:59] the mainstream media reaction to this event  was couched as cheeky celebrity news rather
[06:05] than science or national defense but that was  all about to change on the same day he resigned
[06:12] members of ttsa had introduced elizondo to ufo  author and longtime ufo researcher leslie kane
[06:20] she interviewed him and published two stories in  the huffington post in mid-october which revealed
[06:26] in a media exclusive the existence of the pentagon  ufo program and elizondo's role in it however
[06:34] these two stories were still mostly  ignored by the mainstream media
[06:40] leslie kane then reached out to long-time  associate and journalist ralph blumenthal
[06:44] blumenthal pitched the atip and  elizondo story to the new york times
[06:51] and on december 16 2017 the new york times  and politico released front page bombshell
[06:59] news stories that revealed the pentagon's atip  ufo program to the world included in the stories
[07:05] were videos of ufos filmed by the u.s navy within  hours dozens of other news agencies had the story
[07:14] within days hundreds the first domino had finally  fallen there is very compelling evidence that
[07:22] we uh we may not be alone whatever that means
[07:39] but some people had doubts they noticed that  something was off that some things were not
[07:46] adding up one of those people was researcher john  greenwald one of the nation's leading authorities
[07:53] on government secrets he runs the black vault  a website that hosts millions of pages of
[07:59] government documents obtained via the freedom of  information act when he read the december 2017 ufo
[08:07] stories he immediately noticed some strange  discrepancies well right off the bat i noticed
[08:13] that the reporting from brian bender politico and  leslie kane ralph blumenthal helene cooper at new
[08:20] york times had a slightly different program  name politico says advanced aviation threat
[08:27] identification program new york times reports  advanced aerospace threat identification program
[08:33] why was there that difference the amount of  sources that both news media outlets had were
[08:39] very very small and likely the same so how is it  that the reporting was different as the reporting
[08:47] went on it got worse i mean there were like seven  or eight i i lined them all up with dates and
[08:54] who the the media outlet was and there were like  seven different variations of what atip even stood
[08:59] for and to an an investigator a researcher like  myself and there's a lot of other people out there
[09:05] if you're looking into something you need to  have the name right because if you don't have
[09:09] the name right how are you gonna find anything  right because when you submit a freedom of
[09:16] information act request you have to be specific  with the government what you're asking for
[09:22] so if you requested for the advanced aviation  threat identification program they could come
[09:29] back and say hey that doesn't exist absolutely  because the name was wrong yep and you could
[09:36] suddenly be on a goose chase looking for  the truth for the real documents correct
[09:42] absolutely the accuracy there was incredibly  important the pentagon officially acknowledging
[09:49] its advanced aviation threat identification  program pentagon has confirmed the existence
[09:53] of the advanced aerospace threat identification  program the advanced aviation advanced aerospace
[09:59] aviation aerospace aviation the advanced aerial  threat identification program so the writing
[10:05] was on the wall that there was something  odd just behind the meaning of the acronym
[10:10] another reported detail that is inconsistent  was the years all this supposedly occurred
[10:17] the original new york times report said the  program began in 2007 but further down the same
[10:23] article they report the funding and  actual contract creation of the program
[10:29] wasn't until late 2008. you start digging in  on that and realize that the bid solicitation
[10:35] was never posted for companies to bid on  getting the contract wasn't posted until 2008.
[10:43] yet we were led to believe that atip started in  2007. created in 2007 2007 2007. so how can you
[10:52] solicit bids a year after the program allegedly  started when the reporting said 22 million dollars
[10:59] went to a contractor that uh started a year before  the bid went in wait none of that makes sense
[11:06] adding to the confusion politico's reporting  released on the same day as the times with
[11:12] reportedly the same sources as the times says  atip began in 2009. what now in journalism
[11:22] dates and names are so basic you want to get  the basic names right you want to get the basic
[11:29] dates right you can't be a year or two  off and to this day the reported dates
[11:36] of the ufo program remain all over the  place generally in reporting like that
[11:42] if one thing is wrong you have to ask the question  what else is wrong further questions and issues
[11:48] arose with lou elizondo's role with atip in  hundreds of media reports elizondo is credited
[11:56] as the director of atip media outlets  also phrased it as he ran the program
[12:02] or he was in charge of the program and elizondo  without doubt is the face of this whole story now
[12:10] but the pentagon has released statements stating  mr elizondo had no responsibilities with atip
[12:17] and this is a statement the pentagon has doubled  down on and they're not budging and even now
[12:24] over four years later this central part of  the whole story continues to be disputed
[12:32] another confusing detail is at the very top of  the original times report is a video of a ufo
[12:39] filmed by the us navy the times reports that  atip investigated and released this now famous
[12:46] video to the public yet the video was shot in  2015 atip shut down in 2012. also the department
[12:57] of defense released a statement saying no that  video had not been cleared for public release
[13:04] and some in the media wondered how much of this  was simply a so-called sweetheart deal between
[13:09] senator reid and his longtime friend and financial  supporter robert bigelow back in 2017 there were
[13:17] a handful of journalists who pointed this out as  a potential red flag public records show bigelow
[13:23] contributed about twenty thousand dollars  to reed and his political action committee
[13:28] that campaign contributor got research contracts  from this program that just is a bad picture
[13:35] there are other outstanding questions confusing  statements and blatant errors but despite all this
[13:42] the story mostly as originally reported over  four years ago mostly without any corrections
[13:49] or updates or disclaimers continues to spread like  wildfire and has become legendary so what you're
[13:59] telling me is that ufos are real bill i think  we're beyond that already i put my entire career
[14:07] on the line because i believe in what i believe  he ran the pentagon's top secret ufo program
[14:14] i knew this was breaking news for the front  page of the new york times and then bam the
[14:20] new york times story it changed everything it was  a bombshell right that's what it was this is too
[14:26] big to turn away from this is real wake up tmz  investigates i don't know if i'm going to have a
[14:33] job tomorrow just for having this conversation  with you ufos the pentagon proof tuesday
[14:40] then in october of 2021 the plot twist
[14:47] remember that unknown and unnamed individual who  was the first director of the atip ufo program
[14:54] well we eventually learned his name james lakatsky  and after that we learned his story he's finally
[15:03] come out of the shadows to set the record straight  lickatsky along with colm kelleher a project
[15:10] manager for the pentagon program and journalist  george knapp released a book titled skinwalkers
[15:16] at the pentagon an insider's account of the secret  government ufo program they say the story we've
[15:22] been told for over four years is wrong lickatsky's  book says since the december 2017 article in the
[15:31] new york times there has been a multi-year  frenzy of speculation misinformation and
[15:38] confusion about the nature of the program one of  the purposes of this book is to correct the record
[15:46] co-author colin kelleher did an interview saying  the new york times article in december 2017
[15:53] mistakenly used that acronym atip and they  mistakenly assigned lou elizondo to be head of
[16:00] this program and that you know that was a mistake  in reporting by the new york times they say many
[16:07] details in the original story were in error  and guess what there's actually real documented
[16:14] evidence to back that up and surprisingly some of  these documents have been out in the public domain
[16:21] for years now it's just that many people including  myself didn't fully understand what they were or
[16:27] how they related if at all to a pentagon ufo  program called atip probably because they don't
[16:34] mention anything about atip and they don't mention  ufos they mention something else so i now present
[16:44] to you the mostly untold and underreported  story of the pentagon's assap program
[16:52] in 2008 at the behest of senator harry reid the  pentagon through the defense intelligence agency
[17:00] created a program not called atip but rather the  advanced aerospace weapon systems application
[17:07] program or awsap we know this because here is the  actual official pentagon document outlining awsap
[17:15] not atip the director of asap was a defense  intelligence agency scientist named james lakatsky
[17:24] we know this because here is his name  listed on official pentagon documents
[17:30] as being in charge of the program
[17:34] in many ways all sap started with james lakatsky  according to both lakatsky and senator reid
[17:41] lakatsky had approached the senator to say he  believed the ufo phenomena was real and he wanted
[17:48] a program to investigate not just ufos but also  how ufos might fit into the realm of what we might
[17:56] consider the paranormal reed told lakatsky  he would support the creation of a program
[18:03] but according to reed they faced a challenge how  to convince congress to allocate taxpayer money
[18:10] to investigate ufos could they create a ufo  program without actually mentioning ufos
[18:19] reid told new york magazine i said to lakatsky  well if you were me what would you say to people
[18:26] in power in the united states senate who have  huge control over the spending of defense money
[18:31] and here's what lakatsky said what i will do is  prepare something for you that anyone can look
[18:37] at that wants to it's strictly science he put  it in scientific language what the study should
[18:43] consist of here are the actual asap contract  objectives there are no mentions of ufos at
[18:51] all to anyone reading it it might seem like just  a normal aerospace technology contract the actual
[18:58] objective of the program was essentially using  currently evolving technology trends predict what
[19:04] kind of aerospace technologies foreign adversaries  will have 40 years from now that's basically it
[19:12] all sap appeared to be something normal that  the government would normally spend money on
[19:19] asap was funded with 22 million dollars the  pentagon awarded the 22 million dollars to
[19:24] bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or  bass bass was contracted to perform all of
[19:30] alsap's technical research and analysis we  know this because here is an actual pentagon
[19:36] document acknowledging bass as the contract  recipient bass was founded by millionaire and
[19:43] long-time harry reid financial supporter robert  bigelow within the bass team was hal puthoff who
[19:50] we already briefly discussed as well as other  scientists with a history of unorthodox ideas
[19:56] including dr colem kelleher and dr eric davis an  astrophysicist who's written papers discussing
[20:03] psychic teleportation time travel through stargate  wormholes and bending spoons with your mind
[20:12] bass hired a team of 50 people and then  the work on awsap began on the surface asap
[20:20] appeared to be an aerospace technology program  to harry reid in his words asap was actually
[20:27] a program to study ufos and related phenomena  with bass however that so-called related phenomena
[20:37] would take awsap in a shocking  and very unexpected direction
[20:45] a lot of asap's investigations took place at  skinwalker ranch a supposed paranormal hot spot
[20:51] in utah owned by robert bigelow as outlined  in great detail on the record by lakatsky
[21:00] and bass leadership the so-called pentagon ufo  program was not just a ufo program but rather
[21:08] an investigation into a cornucopia of spooky  and scary things including werewolves ghosts
[21:22] and half dinosaur half beaver monsters
[21:28] literally
[21:31] the project manager of the program  referred to skinwalker ranch as a
[21:36] paranormal disneyland so the idea was to to  have a living laboratory on skinwalker ranch
[21:44] that we could uh assess what was going  on unusual creatures uh discarnate voices
[21:51] poltergeist activity so it was a paranormal  disneyland that really started the whole thing off
[22:03] asap spent only one year investigating ufos ghosts  and goblins before the pentagon started to pull
[22:10] the plug in 2009 after reviewing ossap's reports  the pentagon states that it was determined the
[22:18] reports were of limited value in the december  2017 politico article a congressional staffer
[22:26] is quoted as saying there was really nothing  there that we could justify using taxpayer money
[22:32] and that even harry reid agreed it was not worth  continuing the pentagon decided not to renew all
[22:40] sap's funding and shut it down completely by  2012 stating that the program was terminated
[22:47] in 2012 due to lack of real progress and  concerns about the viability of the program
[22:54] and that it was determined that there were other  higher priority issues that merited funding
[23:02] james lickatsky says he spent the next  few years trying to get new funding to
[23:06] resurrect the dead program and to keep  the paranormal investigations going
[23:12] but he was unsuccessful finally lakatsky says he  retired in 2016. and that is the mostly untold
[23:22] story about how 22 million dollars in taxpayer  money was spent on a wacky paranormal fun house
[23:32] and it appears that at the time the pentagon had  no idea this silly spooky stuff was even happening
[23:39] how is that possible well lakatsky the pentagon  director of the program says that for security
[23:46] reasons he was hiding awesapp's activities from  officials at the pentagon people in my own office
[23:54] they didn't know what we were doing they had  no idea that i was running skinwalker ranch
[24:01] they had no idea whatsoever and was harry reid  aware of the ghosts and goblins well i guess
[24:08] it depends on which version of his story you  want to believe in 2018 in an interview with
[24:15] new york magazine re-denied ever being briefed  or updated on any of asap's activities ever
[24:25] ever but then in 2021 reed told george knapp  that not only was he aware of asap's activities
[24:33] at skinwalker ranch but that he was potentially  planning to go to the ranch himself i remember
[24:40] getting a call from you while you're in  the well of the senate and you asked about
[24:44] skinwalker ranch whether your staffers  should go there whether they'd be safe
[24:48] did you consider sending some of your people to  the ranch and did you ever consider going there
[24:52] yourself i considered it but based on information  i got from you and others i decided not to go
[25:00] it would also have drawn attention to the ranch  and the program right if you went there you'd
[25:04] have to tell somebody about it that's for sure  and senator reid would eventually fully endorse
[25:10] this whole crazy story two months before his  death by writing the forward to lakatsky's book
[25:19] in it he calls out the new york times the december  2017 new york times story has done a tremendous
[25:26] amount of good but unfortunately it has also  muddied the waters it left the government's
[25:32] all-sap program completely out of the narrative  yeah why wasn't any of this stuff reported in
[25:39] that bombshell 2017 new york times article  how did a story about a program called ossap
[25:47] which investigated ufos werewolves ghosts  goblins become a story about a program called
[25:54] atip which only investigated ufos well leslie kane  is a long time ufo believer and ufo researcher
[26:04] writing ufo stories going back decades she wrote  a bestselling book on ufos in 2010 and it was
[26:12] leslie kane who approached ralph blumenthal to  pitch the big ufo story to the new york times
[26:18] she was one of the authors of the new york  times article in a recent showtime documentary
[26:24] leslie kane was asked why stories about alleged  encounters with alien creatures were not included
[26:30] in her 2017 new york times article and she  replied that her specific goal with that article
[26:38] was to give ufos credibility so she avoided  reporting on some things i chose not to focus
[26:45] on it because the angle that i was taking in my  reporting was to try to get credibility for the
[26:50] subject and i knew that that was not the way to  go that was not the first step in terms of getting
[26:55] people to accept this so an author of the original  new york times article the article that was the
[27:01] first domino to fall in all of this says she  wrote the article with a specific angle in mind
[27:09] get people to accept ufos as real that sounds  like the goal of an activist not a journalist
[27:15] but i see where she's coming from because could  you imagine if that first new york times article
[27:21] had talked about werewolves and poltergeists and  giant dino beavers it would have been laughed at
[27:27] and ridiculed and used as a prime example  of the government wasting taxpayer money
[27:33] but because all of that wasn't mentioned and only  unidentified flying objects were that new york
[27:39] times article continues to validate ufos with not  just your average citizen but also with members of
[27:47] congress since the new york times story came out  december 2017 it's politically viable for elected
[27:55] officials to come forward and say i support this  kind of research but if you that's for researching
[28:01] things in the sky that might be a threat  to national security or the aviation safety
[28:05] it's another matter for a politician to say  i agree with spending money to investigate
[28:11] places like skinwalker ranch with spooky stories  of boogeymen and werewolves no politician is going
[28:17] to fund poltergeist research or looking into  werewolves they'd be crucified so how much of
[28:23] the actual story did the original new york times  article report how much of the actual story is
[28:30] currently influencing congress the scope of the  asap program was gigantic compared to the small
[28:37] sliver information that was reported from the via  the new york times and so the purpose of the book
[28:44] was really to set the record straight i think the  book really encapsulates about 97 percent of asap
[28:52] whereas the three percent was what the new york  times article had uh had described 3 according to
[29:00] those actually in charge of the actual program the  original new york times article about the program
[29:07] only contains 3 percent of the actual story 97  wasn't included so let's talk about the three
[29:15] percent that was it was originally reported that  the name of the program was a tip and it was led
[29:23] by a guy named lou elizondo so first where the  heck did the name atip come from in his book
[29:31] program director james lecatsky writes atip was a  made-up substitute name to describe asap a made-up
[29:40] name so he's saying that a-tip a-tip didn't even  exist that a-tip itself was a nickname and only
[29:48] a nickname to the ossap program so they were  the exact same thing atip was just a nickname
[29:55] asap being the program the program was nicknamed  advanced aerospace threat identification
[30:01] program atem people have trouble trying to get  documents out of the pentagon by saying they want
[30:08] all documents in atip and they have a hard time  because that wasn't actually the name of the
[30:13] program the top name there is the actual name  of the program but atip was with the nickname
[30:18] that it went by and even harry reid and the  pentagon have previously agreed with this
[30:24] reed stated in an interview that atip and ossap  should be considered together when researcher
[30:31] roger glissell asked about the names atip and asap  a pentagon spokeswoman replied that they were the
[30:38] same program and that asap was just an alternative  name for atip so how did atip become a nickname
[30:46] for asap well remember how lakatsky said he was  hiding asap from other officials at the pentagon
[30:54] how according to lekatsky they had no  idea whatsoever about asap's activities
[31:00] in their book the authors say senator reid and  those working at skinwalker ranch were worried
[31:07] that asap's activities would eventually come to  light as such senator reid submitted a request
[31:14] that asap be given top secret special access  status which if approved would have officially
[31:22] limited how many people had access and control  over the program here is the special access
[31:29] request letter submitted by senator harry reid to  deputy secretary of defense william lynn in 2009
[31:36] but instead of saying awsap the actual program  name reed used the nickname atip but reed's plan
[31:45] to protect osap apparently backfired his request  was denied and his letter was widely distributed
[31:54] within the pentagon the cat was out of the bag  suddenly the rest of the pentagon which had no
[32:02] idea that this program was underway they had no  idea suddenly everyone knows about it and they
[32:07] start asking questions gosh what if this gets  out that we're involved in study of ufos and
[32:12] ghosts and creatures so two things appear to have  happened here one reed's letter was the first time
[32:20] many within the pentagon had even heard about this  program and reid's letter used the nickname atip
[32:27] so according to those who were previously in  the dark about all this atip was the name of
[32:33] the program two the pentagon didn't want this  embarrassing story spreading outside the pentagon
[32:41] they didn't want it in the press and they didn't  want speeches in congress about government waste
[32:46] so they moved to shut it all down the new  yorker quotes a pentagon official saying
[32:52] people worried that if all this came out that the  government was spending money on this this will be
[32:58] a bad story the pentagon pulled all sapp's funding  in 2010 and by 2012 the funding had completely
[33:06] dried up and asap was officially dead but despite  the program being shut down lou elizondo who had
[33:14] become interested in the ufo aspects of asap  claims he kept the effort going at the pentagon
[33:21] according to james lakatsky elizondo adopted  and appropriated the name atip to describe this
[33:29] new small unfunded and unofficial effort lickatsky  has only done a handful of interviews since going
[33:38] public here's a revelatory clip from one  of them on the coast-to-coast radio show
[33:43] where he specifically addresses this the atip name  was created for a letter that senator reid sent in
[33:53] trying to establish a dod sap for our program for  various reasons uh and lou used that name when he
[34:04] and i guess it had to be in the time frame of  2012 and he used the name atip nothing wrong
[34:13] with that i mean that's that's fine but there was  a difference between the two programs ours had 22
[34:20] million dollars in funding his had zero  but he did his thing we did ours but
[34:27] i can say that we were the only game in town  so what did lou elizondo actually do you know
[34:35] the guy who everyone refers to as the director  of atip the pentagon ufo program luis elizondo
[34:43] former director of the pentagon's advanced  aerospace threat identification program
[34:48] luis elizondo ran the advanced aviation threat  identification program the man who ran that secret
[34:54] program luis elizondo thank you for joining us was  he even involved in the official pentagon program
[35:00] at all in the 221-page book about the pentagon  ufo program elizondo appears one time that's a bit
[35:10] strange right one time at a 2009 dinner sitting  at a table with members of assap and bass
[35:19] where the authors claim he was telling war stories  about his psychic powers that's it well elizondo
[35:28] himself has stated multiple times on the record  that he had nothing to do with asap including this
[35:35] emphatic tweet which says it's been brought to my  attention that despite my constant assertion in
[35:41] the media about my non-involved in asap some are  under the false impression that i was part of it
[35:49] for the record again and again i was not part  of assap elizondo instead says he was in charge
[35:57] of the pentagon's atip program which i think  we've established probably didn't even exist
[36:03] insiders say it was not an official program  it was a completely separate small initiative
[36:10] a small unofficial effort not a program as the  p and a tip suggests but more in his spare time
[36:19] when his normal day job allowed he looked for ufos  there are two pieces of documentation that further
[36:26] supports this one is an email from the year 2020  released via the freedom of information act to
[36:33] john greenwald in it elizondo is challenging the  pentagon press office regarding their statements
[36:39] denying his role with atip elizondo concedes  that his atip could be defined more as simply
[36:46] an activity versus an actual program the second is  an annual pentagon evaluation of elizondo from the
[36:54] year 2016. it outlines all his officially  assigned responsibilities at the pentagon
[37:01] none of which have to do with ufos or  anything called atip so with all that in mind
[37:08] let's look again at the pentagon's  official statement regarding elizondo
[37:16] that appears to be a true statement
[37:20] in april 2022 brian bender the author  of the original 2017 politico article
[37:27] tweeted that he now feels like he was purposely  misled by numerous sources on what atip really was
[37:34] and wasn't in response to a twitter user stating  seems clear that they wanted to gloss over the
[37:41] paranormal stuff which is like where all the money  really went bender replied 100 they buried the
[37:48] origin story because they were afraid it would  be perceived as a utter waste of taxpayer money
[37:54] it would have also further soured the whole  effort given the bigelow connection to harry reid
[38:00] it was a pork project to investigate voodoo  that morphed into ufos and regarding myself
[38:08] and all the basement office episodes  i've made about atip and elizondo
[38:12] i was apparently wrong it wasn't intentional  but in an honest attempt to report the truth
[38:20] about the pentagon ufo program i  too feel like i was purposely misled
[38:27] as for elizondo he along with other former  members of tom delong's to the stars academy
[38:34] have been lobbying congress to spend more money on  ufos they say the original new york times article
[38:41] continues to influence congressional leaders since  many of the paranormal aspects weren't included
[38:47] in that story chris mellon the guy who  once stood in front of a gigantic photo
[38:52] of a blurry party balloon admits that telling  congress about asap would be counter productive
[39:01] their efforts appear to have paid off bipartisan  congressional leaders like senators kristin
[39:06] gillibrand and marco rubio helped create a new ufo  program at the pentagon the new program is called
[39:14] the airborne object identification and management  synchronization group and another domino falls
[39:26] i'm gonna leave you with one more thing lou  elizondo said he had nothing to do with asap
[39:34] nothing to do with the werewolves and  ghosts and goblins nothing to do with asap
[39:41] in may 2021 elizondo filed a complaint with the  department of defense inspector general's office
[39:49] written in his own words signed with his signature  elizondo's complaint accuses some of the pentagon
[39:56] of smearing his reputation by releasing statements  denying his involvement as director of atip
[40:02] in his complaint which i obtained a copy of he  outlines in detail each and every role he claims
[40:10] to have had from 2008 to 2017. in  2008 he says he joined james lakatsky
[40:18] on awsap his role was in his words asap's chief of  counterintelligence and security from 2008 to 2010
[40:29] elizondo describes his various duties with allset  including reviewing incoming reports from bass
[40:36] in april 2010 he writes dr lakatsky approached  me and asked if i would consider assuming the
[40:42] role of asap an atip director and in may 2010 he  says his new role was director for atip and asap
[41:04] i think we should stop and ask ourselves how  did we get here what stories brought us here
[41:14] who told those stories are we closer to the  truth or are we further away perhaps to find
[41:26] the answer instead of waiting for the next domino  to drop maybe there's only one thing left to do
[41:49] a true story will stand the test of time
[41:54] change one thing and it can look completely  different like something else all together
[42:04] if you went back and re-followed the  evidence would the story sound the same
[42:12] would it look the same would you see  something different something new
[42:20] something that was always right  there right in front of you
[42:33] you are here at the beginning
[42:40] over the next few episodes we will go back  to re-examine and reassess some of the most
[42:46] incredible ufo stories ever told the only  question is where will this new journey take us
[43:02] so let's begin
[43:42] you

The recent retirement of the director of the Pentagon's UFO investigation office has stirred significant discussion and controversy. This individual, who held a top-secret position, publicly stated that during his tenure, he found no evidence supporting the existence of aliens in our skies. He accused a small faction of religious UFO conspiracists of misleading Congress with false narratives, a claim that aligns with the investigative reports published by the New York Post over the past two years. This video aims to delve into exclusive comments from Shan Kirkpatrick, the former director of the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), who resigned after uncovering troubling information regarding UFO investigations.

Kirkpatrick's role involved scrutinizing unidentified flying objects (UFOs) to ascertain their nature. His resignation was prompted by unsettling discoveries during his 18-month tenure. The video also features insights from various congressional members who have been actively pursuing UFO-related inquiries. For a comprehensive background, viewers are encouraged to explore the detailed New York Post article and the accompanying investigative documentary linked in the description.

The narrative surrounding UFOs gained traction following a December 2017 New York Times article that revealed a secret Pentagon program dedicated to investigating UFOs. This article featured Lou Elizondo, who claimed to have led the program for years. His subsequent appearance on CNN suggested that compelling evidence indicated humanity might not be alone in the universe. The article sparked widespread media attention, prompting Congress to seek answers and leading to the establishment of a UFO task force.

However, in May 2022, a New York Post report challenged the veracity of the New York Times article, labeling it as erroneous and misleading. The report revealed that Elizondo was not the head of a Pentagon UFO program, and the program itself was non-existent. The article was co-authored by UFO activists, including Leslie Kean, who later confessed that her primary aim was to lend credibility to UFOs rather than strictly report facts. Despite these revelations, mainstream media largely ignored the findings, continuing to propagate sensationalized UFO stories.

In July 2022, bipartisan congressional leaders initiated a new Pentagon UFO program, AARO, with Kirkpatrick appointed as its director. Questions arose regarding his affiliations with the aforementioned group of UFO activists. A subsequent article in March 2023 by the New York Post further exposed the connections between these activists and the government, revealing that some officials had overlooked foreign surveillance activities while pursuing UFO phenomena.

The situation escalated in June 2023 when David Grusch, a U.S. Air Force reservist, publicly claimed that the government possessed alien spacecraft and bodies, although he admitted he had never seen them himself. His assertions were based on information relayed to him by a network of individuals, many of whom were linked to the same group of UFO activists. The media quickly amplified Grusch's claims, failing to scrutinize his associations with these controversial figures.

In July 2023, Grusch testified before Congress, reiterating that his statements were based on secondhand information. Congress, seemingly unaware of the dubious connections surrounding Grusch, continued to investigate his allegations. Senator Chuck Schumer introduced new legislation regarding UFOs, which reportedly drew input from the same group of activists, including Grusch, further entrenching the ties between congressional actions and UFO advocacy.

In December 2023, Kirkpatrick, now a private citizen, publicly articulated his findings from his time at AARO. He asserted that he had never encountered evidence of extraterrestrial life and emphasized that the sensational claims presented to Congress stemmed from a network of paranormal activists. Kirkpatrick's op-ed in Scientific American highlighted the overwhelming influence of unsupported claims on public perception and policy-making, suggesting that taxpayer funds were misallocated towards investigating paranormal phenomena rather than legitimate national security concerns.

Throughout his tenure, Kirkpatrick attempted to approach the UFO issue scientifically but faced challenges from sensational narratives that dominated public discourse. He pointed out that a core group of individuals had been pushing these narratives for decades, often leading to the misallocation of resources and attention away from genuine threats, such as foreign espionage.

In his discussions, Kirkpatrick refrained from naming specific individuals but acknowledged a broader conspiracy among UFO believers to involve the government in alien investigations. He expressed skepticism that any evidence he could present would sway these believers, likening their convictions to a religious faith that dismisses critical thinking. The implications of Kirkpatrick's statements suggest a significant infiltration of UFO belief into governmental processes, raising questions about the integrity of congressional investigations into UFOs.

Following Kirkpatrick's revelations, the UFO community reacted with hostility, accusing him of being part of a cover-up. His op-ed linked to previous reports, igniting conspiracy theories about collusion between him and the media. Despite attempts to engage with Kirkpatrick for commentary, he declined further interviews until after his report was submitted to Congress, indicating a cautious approach to media engagement.

As Kirkpatrick's final report is anticipated, it promises to unveil further uncomfortable truths about the UFO narrative and the individuals driving it. The ongoing discourse surrounding UFOs remains contentious, with activists and lawmakers continuing to grapple with the implications of Kirkpatrick's findings and the broader societal impact of UFO beliefs.

In reviewing the provided transcript, there is no mention of specific bombshell claims or paranormal events such as "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." The focus of the discussion revolves primarily around the investigations into UFOs by the Pentagon and the claims made by various individuals associated with the UFO community. The contents of the transcript lean heavily towards the skepticism of such claims, especially highlighting the lack of credible evidence supporting the existence of extraterrestrial life or the phenomena associated with it. Notably, the former director of the Pentagon's UFO office, Shan Kirkpatrick, asserts that there is no evidence of aliens or UFOs being of extraterrestrial origin.

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  • [11:38] "There is no evidence of extraterrestrials there is no evidence of aliens."

The transcript discusses instances where the government allegedly promoted or created "fake" UFO evidence. It notes that a small group of individuals associated with the UFO community has been accused of duping Congress with deceptive narratives surrounding UFOs. The speaker highlights that the 2017 New York Times article, which sparked significant interest in UFOs, was co-authored by UFO activists whose motivations were not solely based on factual reporting but rather aimed at giving credibility to UFO phenomena. This includes references to misleading claims that led to Congressional inquiries and the establishment of government programs that might not have been genuinely grounded in scientific research.

Moreover, the transcript indicates a broader concern regarding the influence of these activists on government decision-making, suggesting that they have prioritized sensational claims over credible evidence. However, specific examples of "fake Special Access Programs" or the planting of fake UFO photos at Area 51 tourist spots are not mentioned in the provided text.

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  • [12:12] "The key purveyors of this narrative have known one another for decades a group of individuals associated with businessman and longtime ethologist Robert Bigalow."

The transcript identifies several government programs and funding streams related to UFO investigations. Notably, it mentions the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which was created following Congressional interest in UFOs. The transcript also references the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), both of which were established to investigate aerial phenomena that could pose national security threats.

Furthermore, it highlights the substantial funding that was allocated for UFO investigations, particularly the $22 million obtained by Senator Harry Reid, which was directed towards Robert Bigelow for the purpose of researching "spooky things." This funding and the establishment of such programs are presented as part of the ongoing interest and inquiry into unidentified aerial phenomena, despite the skepticism expressed by some officials regarding the validity of claims made about UFOs.

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  • [02:18] "Congress started asking questions demanding answers officials at the Pentagon held top secret briefings with members of Congress about UFOs."
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  • [04:01] "A new Pentagon UFO program called the all Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or Arrow"

The transcript discusses the interaction between "True Believers" in UFO phenomena and U.S. government institutions, particularly Congress and the Pentagon. It describes a phenomenon referred to as a "UFO religion" that has allegedly infiltrated these institutions, suggesting that there is a community of advocates and activists pushing for the recognition and investigation of UFOs based on sensational claims, rather than scientific evidence. This infiltration is exemplified by the widespread attention garnered by the 2017 New York Times article, which is framed as a catalyst that led Congress to prioritize sensational narratives over official data.

Shan Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon's UFO office, expressed that during his tenure, efforts to provide scientific clarity were overshadowed by unsupported claims that captivated policymakers and the public alike. The transcript emphasizes the repetitive nature of these claims, which are traced back to a core group of activists who have been active for decades, promoting narratives that have influenced legislative actions and public opinion.

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  • [11:41] "All of the wild and crazy claims that Congress has heard over the last 6 years all go back to the same group of paranormal activists."
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  • [12:10] "Our efforts were ultimately overwhelmed by sensational but unsupported claims that ignored contradictory evidence yet captured the attention of policy makers and the public."

The transcript provides some mundane or technological explanations to counter the most famous UFO sightings, particularly emphasizing how misidentified objects and phenomena can account for what are often considered unexplained aerial phenomena. While specific examples such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, or thermal imaging glare are not explicitly mentioned, the transcript suggests that many sightings have been attributed to foreign spycraft, particularly in light of recent incidents involving Chinese surveillance activities.

Kirkpatrick's assertions indicate that some objects previously thought to be UFOs were, in fact, foreign technology, which highlights the potential for misinterpretation of data. The emphasis is placed on the notion that the real focus should be on credible data and scientific investigation rather than sensational claims about extraterrestrial encounters.

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  • [04:58] "Some of these objects were foreign in spycraft."
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  • [05:03] "In the wake of the big Chinese spy balloon story, this was a huge revelation."

[00:00] the director of the pentagon's UFO
[00:02] investigation office recently retired
[00:05] went public and dropped some bombs he
[00:08] says during his time investigating UFOs
[00:11] at the Pentagon with top secret access
[00:14] to everything he saw no evidence of
[00:18] aliens flying around our skies and he
[00:22] says a small group of religious UFO
[00:25] conspiracists have spent years duping
[00:29] Congress with false and deceptive
[00:32] stories and that supports and validates
[00:37] what I've been reporting at the post for
[00:39] the last 2 years in this video I'm going
[00:43] to share new exclusive comments from
[00:46] Shan
[00:47] Kirkpatrick a scientist who for the last
[00:50] 18 months was the director of the
[00:53] pentagon's all domain anomaly resolution
[00:56] office his job was to look for UFOs and
[01:00] try to figure out what they are he
[01:02] recently resigned from the Pentagon
[01:05] after discovering some unsettling
[01:08] information I also have new exclusive
[01:11] comments from members of Congress who
[01:14] have also been hunting
[01:16] UFOs if you want the full backstory with
[01:19] all the gritty details read my big New
[01:22] York Post article or watch my
[01:24] investigative documentary both are
[01:27] linked in the description below in
[01:30] December 2017 the New York Times front
[01:33] paged a story about UFOs and a Secret
[01:38] Pentagon program that investigated them
[01:41] profiled in this story was a guy named
[01:43] Lou elzando who claimed to have run this
[01:47] secret program for the Pentagon for
[01:49] years elzando went on CNN the following
[01:52] day to announce that we may not be alone
[01:56] there is very compelling evidence that
[01:58] we uh we may not be alone the story went
[02:02] viral around the world everywhere
[02:06] hundreds if not thousands of headlines
[02:09] copied and pasted the story from the New
[02:12] York Times this obviously captured the
[02:15] attention of Congress who started asking
[02:18] questions demanding answers officials at
[02:22] the Pentagon held top secret briefings
[02:25] with members of Congress about
[02:27] UFOs and a UFO test TK force was
[02:31] created but in May 2022 I released a
[02:35] report at the New York Post that exposed
[02:38] the New York Times article as being
[02:40] wrong false erroneous and intentionally
[02:45] deceptive my report revealed that Lou
[02:48] alzando was not the head of a pentagon
[02:51] UFO program and in fact that UFO program
[02:55] didn't even exist that New York Times
[02:58] article had been co-authored by two UFO
[03:02] activists one of them in particular
[03:04] lesie Kaine would later admit that her
[03:07] main goal with that article wasn't
[03:09] necessarily to report the facts but to
[03:12] give UFOs credibility elzando and Kain
[03:16] were both intimately connected to this
[03:19] small group of UFO and paranormal
[03:22] activists both inside and outside
[03:25] government but despite the Bombshells
[03:28] revealed in my report
[03:30] 0% of the other mainstream news media
[03:33] covered this asked about it looked into
[03:36] it they just continued to churn out
[03:39] credulous headlines about UFOs and
[03:42] aliens and thus The Dominoes just kept
[03:45] falling in July 2022 bipartisan
[03:49] Congressional leaders like Senators
[03:51] Kirsten gilbran and Marco Rubio helped
[03:54] create a new Pentagon UFO program called
[03:58] the all Dom main anomaly resolution
[04:01] office or Arrow placed in charge of
[04:05] Arrow was a scientist named sha
[04:08] Kirkpatrick and there were some who
[04:10] wondered who is this guy is he part of
[04:14] this small group of activists or was he
[04:17] independent of this group in March 2023
[04:21] I released a lengthy article in the New
[04:24] York Post again exposing this group of
[04:28] paranormal activists I found new
[04:30] documented evidence dug up more leads
[04:33] connected more dots and what I
[04:36] discovered was that some of these
[04:37] activists inside government had missed
[04:41] foreign spycraft over American skies for
[04:45] years because they were instead chasing
[04:49] spooky UFOs they thought what they were
[04:52] seeing was something other their worldly
[04:54] when in fact we now know some of these
[04:58] objects were foreign in spycraft in the
[05:01] wake of the big Chinese spy balloon
[05:03] story this was a huge Revelation a huge
[05:06] bombshell but again the mainstream news
[05:09] media other than one reporter at the
[05:12] Washington examiner doesn't cover it
[05:14] doesn't pick it up doesn't ask about it
[05:17] doesn't look into it they just keep
[05:19] churning out more and more credulous
[05:21] stories about
[05:22] UFOs a new piece to all of this that I
[05:25] revealed is how the UFO story is
[05:28] directly connected to a spooky property
[05:31] in Utah called skin walker Ranch which
[05:35] for years has been claimed to be home to
[05:38] UFOs Bigfoot ghosts Monsters of all
[05:42] types I went out to Skinwalker Ranch and
[05:45] debunked it there's nothing there I
[05:48] connected the dots I put names to faces
[05:51] and was able to create this family tree
[05:53] of sorts of these activists who for
[05:56] years and in some cases decades have
[05:59] been telling the same tall tales in
[06:02] order to get taxpayer money to
[06:04] investigate the
[06:06] Paranormal again no one else covers this
[06:09] no one else picks this up in June 2023 a
[06:14] US Air Force reservist named David grush
[06:17] went public claiming that the government
[06:19] is in possession of alien spacecraft and
[06:23] alien bodies no kidding non-human exotic
[06:28] origin vehicle tools that have either
[06:30] landed or crashed of course he says he's
[06:32] never actually seen the aliens himself
[06:35] he just heard about the aliens from a
[06:38] certain group of people that he trusts
[06:41] do you want to guess who this group
[06:44] is yes grush is friends with Associates
[06:49] of and close to many of the same people
[06:53] from this same group of paranormal
[06:56] activists the same group of people who
[06:59] have been doing this for years now Lou
[07:03] elzando whose claims I've debunked Jay
[07:06] Stratton former Pentagon official SL
[07:09] Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunter Travis
[07:12] Taylor former Pentagon official the star
[07:15] of the Skinwalker Ranch show on the
[07:17] History Channel George knp Merchant of
[07:20] all things spooky Jeremy Corbell a UFO
[07:25] celebrity who's been caught many times
[07:27] promoting fake and false false UFO
[07:30] stories and the article that revealed
[07:33] David grush and his claims to the world
[07:37] was written by the same exact UFO
[07:41] activist that co-authored the false
[07:45] erroneous deceptive 2017 New York Times
[07:48] story lesie Kaine and Ralph
[07:51] Blumenthal the media of course eats all
[07:54] of this up they headline all of gush's
[07:56] claims his story goes viral it's just an
[08:00] alien in UFO Fest and no one is diving
[08:03] into gr's association with these dubious
[08:06] characters this group of activists well
[08:09] except for me at the post which is just
[08:13] crazy because it wasn't like these
[08:14] people were being private and secretive
[08:17] about their association with grush Lou
[08:20] alzando tweeted that grush was a close
[08:22] associate and a friend Eric Davis former
[08:26] Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunter was on
[08:28] Facebook saying how he and grush had
[08:30] known each other for years grush had
[08:33] appeared in public at UFO conventions
[08:36] with the likes of J Stratton Travis
[08:38] Taylor George knap Jeremy Corbell it's
[08:41] all right there in front of you to
[08:43] anyone who looks but no one was looking
[08:46] the next month July 2023 David grush
[08:50] testifies before Congress about the
[08:52] aliens and again he says my testimony
[08:56] isn't based on something that I have
[08:58] seen or witness myself my testimony is
[09:01] based on information I've been given by
[09:03] individuals my testimony is based on
[09:06] information I was given from a group of
[09:10] people the same group of people some of
[09:15] whom were literally sitting right behind
[09:18] him of course Congress isn't aware of
[09:21] all of this they still think the 2017
[09:23] New York Times article is legit is
[09:26] accurate a groundbreaking 2017 New York
[09:29] Times report Leslie Kane um from New
[09:32] York Times article and I would encourage
[09:33] everybody to read that they apparently
[09:36] don't know about this group they
[09:37] apparently don't know about these
[09:39] relationships and that all of this has
[09:41] been going on and so Congress continues
[09:44] to move forward looking into David
[09:46] gush's allegations because they think
[09:50] maybe the aliens are there also in July
[09:54] Senator Chuck Schumer submitted to
[09:56] Congress new proposed legislation
[09:59] about UFOs Schumer's far-reaching 64
[10:04] page proposed legislation included
[10:07] mentions of flying saucers nonhuman
[10:11] intelligence and provided the federal
[10:13] government with new eminent domain
[10:16] powers that would allow them to acquire
[10:19] potential alien spacecraft and alien
[10:22] bodies well guest who reportedly helped
[10:25] Schumer write this new legislation the
[10:29] legislation was drafted with input from
[10:32] Jay Stratton Travis Taylor Luis
[10:36] elzando the most involved with the
[10:38] drafting was David
[10:41] grush the same people from the same
[10:45] group in December of 2023 Kirk Patrick
[10:49] retired from the Pentagon now a private
[10:52] citizen he was finally able to speak in
[10:55] more detail about what he had discovered
[10:58] during his time as director of arrow in
[11:02] January of 2024 Kirk Patrick released a
[11:06] scathing oped in Scientific American
[11:10] where he says during his time in his
[11:12] lofty position as the head of the
[11:15] pentagon's UFO investigation office he
[11:19] says he never saw any evidence that any
[11:23] UFOs are
[11:25] alien but more importantly he finally
[11:28] said what I've been reporting for years
[11:31] that all of the wild and crazy claims
[11:35] that Congress has heard over the last 6
[11:37] years all go back to the same group of
[11:41] paranormal activists Kirk Patrick says
[11:44] during his 18 months as the head of
[11:46] Arrow he tried to approach the issue
[11:49] from a scientific point of view but says
[11:52] quote our efforts were ultimately
[11:55] overwhelmed by Sensational but
[11:57] unsupported claims that ignored
[12:00] contradictory evidence yet captured the
[12:02] attention of policy makers and the
[12:05] public driving legislative battles and
[12:07] dominating the public narrative he says
[12:10] the key purveyors of this narrative have
[12:12] known one another for decades a group of
[12:16] individuals associated with businessman
[12:19] and longtime ethologist Robert Bigalow
[12:21] taxpayer money was being inappropriately
[12:24] spent on paranormal research at
[12:27] Skinwalker Ranch if if you've read my
[12:29] reporting or watched my investigative
[12:31] documentaries you know about Robert
[12:33] Bigalow in Skinwalker Ranch Kirk Patrick
[12:37] also did a podcast with CNN's Peter
[12:39] Bergen in which he continued to
[12:42] emphasize that a quote Core group of
[12:45] people are the ones that have been
[12:47] pushing all this they're some of the
[12:49] same people that have been working
[12:50] behind the scenes with Congress to write
[12:52] legislation they're the same people that
[12:55] have been influencing some of these
[12:57] whistleblowers that have come forward
[12:59] Kirk Patrick declined to actually name
[13:02] anyone in this group and he says his
[13:05] final report that he wrote as head of
[13:07] Arrow will be delivered to the public
[13:10] and Congress soon he says more details
[13:13] will be revealed but he did agree with
[13:15] Peter Bergen when he said that the
[13:18] actual conspiracy is being carried out
[13:21] by a group of True Believers to get the
[13:23] government involved in the business of
[13:26] investigating aliens the best thing that
[13:28] could have happened in this job is I
[13:30] found the aliens and I could have rolled
[13:33] them out but there's none there is no
[13:36] evidence of extraterrestrials there is
[13:38] no evidence of aliens but Kirk Patrick
[13:41] says none of that will probably convince
[13:44] the UFO True Believers there is
[13:46] absolutely nothing that I'm going to do
[13:49] say or produce evidentially that is
[13:51] going to make the True Believers convert
[13:54] it's basically a religion a religious
[13:57] belief that trans sends critical
[13:59] thinking and rational thought so the guy
[14:03] who was at the top of all of this at the
[14:06] Pentagon is saying that a UFO religion
[14:09] has infiltrated the United States
[14:11] government has infiltrated the United
[14:14] States Congress why aren't more people
[14:16] talking about this Kirk Patrick's oped
[14:20] in podcast sent shock waves through the
[14:22] UFO Community many UFO activists are
[14:26] accusing Kirk Patrick as being part of a
[14:29] conspiracy to cover up aliens but it
[14:33] gets weirder than that in Kirk Patrick's
[14:36] uped as he's outlining his case his
[14:40] article links to outside third-party
[14:43] supportive articles one of the links
[14:46] where he's talking about how this group
[14:48] is connected to Skinwalker Ranch links
[14:52] to my March 2023 New York Post article
[14:56] this of course started a whole explosion
[14:59] of online conspiracy theories UFO
[15:03] activists were suddenly claiming that
[15:05] this link to my story proved that I was
[15:07] in cahoots with Sean Kirkpatrick and
[15:10] that Kirk Patrick and Steven Green
[15:12] Street had been working together
[15:14] nefariously behind the scenes there are
[15:17] accusations all over social media that I
[15:21] am a government plant a CIA agent a man
[15:25] in Black a whole bunch of crazy stuff
[15:29] the truth is while Kirk Patrick was at
[15:32] the Pentagon I requested comment from
[15:35] him multiple times I was denied every
[15:38] time I requested an interview with him I
[15:41] was denied every time the first time I
[15:44] was actually able to communicate with
[15:46] Shan Kirk Patrick was after his oped he
[15:50] replied to one of my emails in which I
[15:52] was asking hey I noticed you linked to
[15:55] my article so I assume you're familiar
[15:57] with my report reporting Kirk Patrick
[16:00] responded my apologies but I have not
[16:02] read your work the links were included
[16:05] by Scientific American to point to other
[16:07] reporting and is not meant to be either
[16:10] an endorsement or represent my agreement
[16:13] I appreciate your interest but I am not
[16:15] taking more interviews until after my
[16:17] report is delivered to Congress so
[16:19] Kirkpatrick apparently hasn't read my
[16:23] reporting but he's apparently come to
[16:25] the same conclusions as my reporting no
[16:29] evidence of aliens and a group of
[16:31] activists telling Tall Tales to Congress
[16:35] UFO Believers however are angry kpatrick
[16:38] is a piece of dog they still right now
[16:42] as I speak are posting wild outrageous
[16:46] conspiracy theories all over social
[16:49] media one religious UFO believer said
[16:51] that Kirk Patrick and I should be tried
[16:54] for treason and executed that may may
[16:58] sound like the rantings of a random
[17:01] crazy person but many UFO activists some
[17:05] of them with large followings are using
[17:08] violent and warlike language in their
[17:11] fanatical UFO Call to Arms Jeremy
[17:15] Corbell for example a largely popular
[17:18] UFO celebrity who plays a major role in
[17:21] influencing members of Congress and who
[17:24] the news media uncritically platforms
[17:27] sometimes every day has tweeted that
[17:31] this is a war a UFO Vietnam that his
[17:35] followers should get mad rage and
[17:40] weaponize and he says that he won't stop
[17:43] fighting for UFOs until the bodies hit
[17:46] the floor and he warns UFO debunkers to
[17:52] beware beware
[17:54] debunkers beware because this
[17:57] information is coming coming out this is
[17:59] the tip of the spear but I ain't stop
[18:01] until I see the body H the
[18:03] floor this is disturbing and unsettling
[18:07] stuff unhinged wacky stuff that used to
[18:11] be reserved for the dark corners of the
[18:13] internet or conspiracy blogs but here it
[18:17] is front and center on mainstream news
[18:20] channels platformed with little to no
[18:24] push back inquiry or proper critique
[18:27] Corbell was on TV yesterday he'll
[18:30] probably be on TV tomorrow joining us
[18:33] now my friend Jeremy Corbell friend of
[18:36] the show this is like the Twilight Zone
[18:39] well I thought I'd reach out to Congress
[18:41] and ask them if they think they've been
[18:44] duped by a religious UFO group I reached
[18:48] out to Marco Rubio and Kirsten gilbran
[18:51] who both spearheaded the creation of
[18:53] Arrow the pentagon's UFO office I'd
[18:56] previously reached out to senator
[18:58] gilbran multiple times over the last 18
[19:00] months and all of my previous inquiries
[19:03] to gilbran were ignored this time I
[19:06] asked the senator to specifically
[19:08] respond to Kirk Patrick's comments about
[19:10] a group of
[19:12] conspiracists who have been duping
[19:14] Congress for the first time ever she
[19:17] actually replied to me with a
[19:19] boilerplate
[19:21] nonan about how important arrow is she
[19:25] did not even acknowledge Kirk Patrick's
[19:27] comments my follow-up emails were
[19:30] ignored a link to her full comment is in
[19:33] the description below Gill bran had
[19:35] actually met with some of the members of
[19:38] this UFO activist group who were
[19:40] lobbying her to create a government UFO
[19:43] Department after Arrow was created
[19:46] activists Chris melon and Lou alzando
[19:49] tweeted a photo of themselves posing
[19:51] with gilbran saying glad we got this
[19:54] done Marco Rubio despite multiple emails
[19:57] and phone calls from me did not respond
[19:59] to my inquiry but Rubio seems to have
[20:02] already been distancing himself from
[20:04] this UFO hysteria in June he said this
[20:08] either what David grush is saying is
[20:10] partially true or entirely true or we
[20:14] have some really smart educated people
[20:16] with high clearances and very important
[20:19] positions in our government who are
[20:22] crazy and are leading us on a goose
[20:26] chase yeah I then reached out to most of
[20:30] the members of the so-called
[20:31] Congressional UFO caucus leaders like
[20:34] Tim bersett anapolina Luna Jared
[20:37] moscowitz Eric burlinson and Andy ogles
[20:40] Luna and moscowitz did not respond to my
[20:43] multiple requests for comment Burleson
[20:45] replied but did not answer my question
[20:48] nor respond to Kirk Patrick's comments a
[20:51] link to his full response is in the
[20:53] description below burles previously
[20:56] inspired by the testimony of David grush
[20:59] said he thought some UFOs could be
[21:01] Angels From Another Dimension messengers
[21:05] of
[21:06] God seriously ogles and bersett were the
[21:10] only ones to actually acknowledge both
[21:12] my question and Kirk Patrick's comments
[21:15] about a group of UFO activists duping
[21:17] Congress ogles replied the Biden
[21:20] Administration has failed to be
[21:22] transparent on nearly every front based
[21:25] on the classified briefings I have
[21:27] attended with other members of Congress
[21:29] it appears that there are serious
[21:31] National Security concerns that must be
[21:33] addressed Mr Kirkpatrick is entitled to
[21:36] his own opinion but for now I will
[21:38] continue to press for answers to the
[21:40] questions members of Congress and the
[21:42] American people have bersett replied we
[21:46] have video proof and Pilots chasing
[21:48] these things so who's really being duped
[21:52] my colleagues and I have talked to
[21:54] multiple pilots who have seen objects
[21:57] doing things things the human body can't
[21:59] withstand I have nothing personal
[22:02] against Kirk Patrick but we have lots of
[22:05] evidence and testimony from a lot of
[22:07] reputable sources on this testimony from
[22:10] a lot of reputable sources so who does
[22:13] bashet consider a reputable Source
[22:15] George knp my buddy Jeremy Corbell
[22:18] Jeremy corbel and George knap two
[22:22] longstanding members of this group of
[22:24] paranormal activists Corbell and nap
[22:27] have a long history of promoting fake
[22:30] and false UFO stories bersett who
[22:34] believes evidence of flying saucers is
[22:36] in the Bible and that the literal devil
[22:39] is trying to stop UFO disclosure
[22:41] continues to lead a congressional
[22:43] paranormal snipe hunt on the taxpayers
[22:46] dime Kirk Patrick's final Pentagon
[22:49] report which he says will reveal more
[22:52] uncomfortable truths will be released to
[22:55] Congress and the public very soon

Introduction to the Interview with Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick

The video begins with a discussion about the hostile reactions faced by individuals who present data contradicting popular beliefs about UFOs and aliens. The speaker, presumably a journalist or interviewer, recounts receiving threats and harassment for stating that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial life or government cover-ups related to UFOs. This sets the stage for the interview with Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (Arrow), established to investigate claims of UFOs and potential alien encounters.

Background on Arrow and Dr. Kirkpatrick's Role

Dr. Kirkpatrick served as the director of Arrow for 18 months, during which time the office was tasked with investigating claims of UFO sightings and alien technology. The establishment of Arrow by Congress in 2022 was a response to increasing public interest and media coverage surrounding UFO phenomena over the past six years. After completing his investigation and preparing a report, Dr. Kirkpatrick retired in December 2023, with the report being released in March 2024. The key takeaway from this report was a definitive conclusion: there is no evidence of aliens.

Access to Information and Findings

During the interview, Dr. Kirkpatrick was asked a series of yes-or-no questions regarding his access to classified information while preparing the Arrow report. He confirmed that he had full access to all necessary classified programs and was never denied information. This included Title 10 and Title 50 authorities, which are permissions required to access certain secret government information. Despite this access, Dr. Kirkpatrick stated unequivocally that no evidence of aliens, non-human technology, or alien bodies was found during the investigation.

Media Claims and Their Origins

The discussion then shifted to the numerous media stories that have circulated over the last six years, many of which claim to report on alien encounters or UFO sightings. Dr. Kirkpatrick's report indicated that most of these stories originated from a specific group of UFO activists. Although he could not name these individuals due to legal restrictions, previous reporting has identified them as key players in promoting UFO narratives, including a notable 2017 New York Times article that inaccurately described a Pentagon UFO program known as ATIP. Dr. Kirkpatrick confirmed that the main details of this article were not accurate, and the report supported earlier findings that the New York Times article was misleading.

Misappropriation of Funds and Paranormal Investigations

The conversation also touched on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and its connection to the now-defunct ASAPP program, which had been criticized for misappropriating taxpayer funds in pursuit of paranormal investigations, including those at Skinwalker Ranch. Dr. Kirkpatrick clarified that the Pentagon was unaware of these paranormal investigations and that there was no official sanctioning of such activities. He expressed concern over the inappropriate use of funds for non-scientific investigations.

David Grusch and Congressional Testimony

Another significant figure mentioned was David Grusch, an Air Force reservist who publicly claimed that the government was hiding evidence of crashed UFOs and alien bodies. Despite his sensational claims, Dr. Kirkpatrick noted that Grusch had not provided any evidence to support his assertions. Grusch had been invited multiple times to present his evidence to Arrow but ultimately did not attend these meetings. This refusal to engage with Arrow raised questions about the credibility of his claims.

Congressional Reactions and Ongoing Beliefs

Despite the findings of the Arrow report, some members of Congress, particularly those in the newly formed UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) caucus, expressed skepticism about the report's conclusions. Congressman Tim Burchett, a leader in this caucus, suggested that the government was not being truthful about UFOs. Dr. Kirkpatrick responded to these claims by emphasizing that he had not been contacted by Burchett or other members of the caucus for a briefing on the Arrow report, indicating a disconnect between the congressional leaders and the findings of the investigation.

Frustration with the UFO Belief System

Dr. Kirkpatrick expressed frustration with the entrenched beliefs held by some individuals within the government who continue to assert that there is a cover-up regarding UFOs. He described these beliefs as akin to a religion, suggesting that no amount of evidence would sway those who are deeply convinced of a government conspiracy. This perspective raises concerns about the implications for national security, as individuals who cannot objectively assess evidence may be entrusted with sensitive information.

Media Coverage and Public Perception

Despite the significant findings of the Arrow report, mainstream media largely ignored its conclusions, continuing to publish stories that support the existence of UFOs and aliens. Dr. Kirkpatrick criticized this trend, highlighting the leap in logic that leads people to conclude that unexplained phenomena must be extraterrestrial in nature. He called for a more rational approach to understanding these sightings, emphasizing that there are many possible explanations beyond the alien hypothesis.

Concerns About the UAP Task Force

The interview also raised questions about the UAP task force, which was created in response to public interest in UFOs. Dr. Kirkpatrick noted that some individuals involved in the UAP task force had connections to the ASAPP program, which had previously been criticized for its focus on paranormal investigations. This connection raised concerns about the potential for repeating past mistakes and misallocating resources.

Conclusion and Ongoing Investigations

As the interview concluded, Dr. Kirkpatrick reiterated his commitment to following the evidence wherever it may lead, despite the backlash he has faced. He emphasized the importance of maintaining objectivity in the investigation of UFOs and the need for a clear distinction between credible scientific inquiry and sensationalist claims. The ongoing discourse surrounding UFOs and the government's role in investigating these phenomena continues to be a contentious issue, with significant implications for public trust and national security.

The transcript does not provide any specific information regarding "bombshell" claims or paranormal events such as "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." These specific terms were not mentioned at all in the discussion. Instead, the focus is primarily on the investigation of UFO claims and the responses from government officials regarding the existence of aliens and non-human technology. There is no reference to any fantastical or paranormal claims resembling those mentioned above.

The transcript contains no explicit instances of the government creating or promoting "fake" UFO evidence. There are no mentions of "fake Special Access Programs" being used as hazing rituals, nor is there any reference to the planting of fake UFO photos at Area 51 tourist spots. The discussion centers around the legitimacy of the claims made by UFO activists and the subsequent investigations conducted by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which concluded that there was no evidence supporting the existence of aliens. The transcript emphasizes the importance of data-driven conclusions rather than sensationalized narratives.

Several government programs and funding streams are mentioned in the transcript, specifically focusing on the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), previously known as Arrow, and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The transcript notes that the AARO was established by Congress to investigate claims related to UFOs and potential alien encounters. Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick, the former director of AARO, stated that during his leadership, the office had access to classified programs and top-secret information. He confirmed that "absolutely" he had access to everything needed for the investigation, but found no evidence of aliens or non-human technology.

Additionally, the transcript references the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) and the misappropriation of funds related to paranormal investigations at sites like Skinwalker Ranch. While there is no mention of Senator Harry Reid obtaining $22 million for Robert Bigelow, it is implied that funding was allocated for various investigations, some of which veered into paranormal areas without proper oversight, leading to misuse of taxpayer funds.

• [01:59] "Did you have title 10 and title 50 authorities? Yes, title 10 and title 50 authorities are to put it simply permissions you need in order to access certain secret government information."
• [02:22] "Did Kirkpatrick find any evidence of aliens? No, no evidence of aliens."

The interaction between "True Believers" and U.S. government institutions is characterized as problematic in the transcript. Kirkpatrick describes a segment of the government that holds a deep-seated belief in UFO phenomena, equating their convictions to a form of "UFO religion." He expresses concern that this belief system may influence national security decisions. This sentiment reflects a broader worry about how these beliefs can lead to dismissing evidence that contradicts their assertions.

Moreover, the transcript points to the pivotal role of a 2017 New York Times article that reported on a Pentagon UFO program, which catalyzed public interest and congressional attention on UFOs. Kirkpatrick asserts that this article significantly skewed perceptions, causing Congress to prioritize sensational claims over factual data. He states, "the main details in that article were not accurate" and suggests that many claims can be traced back to a small group of UFO activists.

• [16:02] "A UFO religion has infiltrated the US government, influenced the US Congress and poses a potential national security threat."
• [04:10] "Kirkpatrick and Arrow officially concluded the main details in that article were not accurate."

The transcript does not provide specific mundane or technological explanations that counter famous UFO sightings, such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, thermal imaging glare, or mundane objects like party balloons or Chinese spycraft. Instead, the focus is primarily on Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick's experiences while leading the AARO and his findings that did not support the existence of extraterrestrial activity. The discussion revolves around the lack of evidence found during investigations, rather than detailing specific explanations for previously reported sightings.

• [17:44] "the task force missed multiple incursions of Chinese spycraft Over America for years because the task force was instead chasing spooky UFOs."
• [18:11] "Arrow goes into great detail about how this group was wasting taxpayer money chasing paranormal things in the assap program."

[00:00] [Music]
[00:00] whenever I lay out hey the data says
[00:04] that's not an alien that it's not a
[00:07] cover up they get violent they get
[00:11] offensive they start sending hate emails
[00:14] and letters and threatening my family
[00:17] threatening me and I find that Beyond
[00:21] reprehensible when you start coming
[00:23] after my daughter in my wife because
[00:26] what I'm telling you that you're wrong
[00:28] that it's not an alien that it not a
[00:30] cover up that it's actually something
[00:32] completely different are you still
[00:34] getting threats and harassment since you
[00:36] left oh yeah yeah every time I say
[00:39] something I'll bet you after your report
[00:41] comes out I'll get something I
[00:43] interviewed Dr Shan Kirkpatrick the
[00:45] former head of the pentagon's UFO office
[00:48] called the all domain anomaly resolution
[00:50] office or Arrow back in 2022 Congress
[00:54] created Arrow to investigate claims of
[00:56] aliens in UFOs that have captured news
[00:59] headlines from for the last 6 years Shan
[01:01] Kirkpatrick was brought on as Arrow's
[01:03] director for 18 months under
[01:06] Kirkpatrick's leadership Arrow looked
[01:08] for the aliens they say they had access
[01:11] to everything and that they looked
[01:13] everywhere after finishing the
[01:15] investigation and completing his Arrow
[01:17] report Kirk Patrick retired in December
[01:20] 2023 and in March 2024 the report was
[01:25] finally released
[01:27] tldr no aliens
[01:30] okay I'm going to jump right into a
[01:32] series of simple yes or no questions
[01:35] just yes or no while preparing the arrow
[01:39] report did you have access to everything
[01:42] you needed including classified programs
[01:45] and top secret
[01:48] information absolutely yes were you ever
[01:51] denied access to anything while
[01:54] preparing this
[01:55] report no did you have title 10 and
[01:59] title 50
[02:00] authorities yes title 10 and title 50
[02:04] authorities are to put it simply
[02:06] permissions you need in order to access
[02:08] certain secret government information
[02:11] title 10 gets you access to some secret
[02:13] stuff title 50 gets you access to even
[02:16] more secret stuff so with access to all
[02:19] the top secret information he needed did
[02:22] Kirkpatrick find any evidence of aliens
[02:25] did you find any evidence of alien or
[02:28] non-human technology
[02:32] did you find any evidence of alien
[02:34] bodies or the bodies of non-human
[02:37] intelligence no no evidence of aliens
[02:41] but what about the hundreds of media
[02:42] stories from the last 6 years full of
[02:45] claims about aliens on Earth and other
[02:48] worldly craft well Kirkpatrick's Arrow
[02:51] report conclusively states that most if
[02:54] not all of those stories are sourced to
[02:57] the same exact group of UFO
[03:00] activists based on your research can
[03:03] many of the UFO claims from the last 6
[03:06] years be traced back to the same exact
[03:10] Core group of UFO True
[03:12] Believers uh as we've put into the
[03:15] report you'll find a section of of where
[03:19] a number of these people have worked
[03:22] together over the last couple at decades
[03:25] um the story seems to all point back to
[03:28] them due to various legal reasons
[03:31] Kirkpatrick is prohibited from
[03:33] specifically naming the names of the
[03:35] people in this group but my previous
[03:37] reporting at the post has revealed in
[03:40] detail their names faces and stories
[03:44] links to this reporting are in the
[03:46] description below some of the people in
[03:48] this group were behind the creation and
[03:50] promotion of a 2017 Front Page New York
[03:53] Times story about a Secret Pentagon UFO
[03:56] program called atip in many ways the UFO
[03:59] hysteria of the last 6 years began with
[04:03] this one New York Times article but Kirk
[04:05] Patrick and arrow officially concluded
[04:08] the main details in that article were
[04:10] not accurate in 2017 the New York Times
[04:14] reported that the Pentagon had an
[04:16] official UFO program called atip and it
[04:19] was led by a pentagon official named Lou
[04:21] alzando is that
[04:23] accurate No was a tip an official
[04:27] Pentagon UFO program
[04:30] no Kirkpatrick's Arrow report validates
[04:33] and supports my previous reporting at
[04:36] the post which revealed that the New
[04:37] York Times UFO article was false and
[04:41] intentionally deceptive the Times
[04:43] article was co-written by a UFO
[04:45] activists who used as their sources for
[04:48] the article other activists in the same
[04:51] group The Arrow report states that many
[04:54] in this group were a part of oap a 2008
[04:58] Pentagon Aerospace technology program
[05:00] that went off the rails when program
[05:02] contractors misappropriated taxpayer
[05:05] funds to hunt UFOs ghosts and monsters
[05:08] at Skinwalker Ranch a supposed
[05:10] paranormal hotspot in Utah Kirkpatrick
[05:13] says the Pentagon had no idea they were
[05:15] doing this were the Paranormal aspects
[05:18] of the assap program like Skinwalker
[05:21] Ranch investigations officially
[05:23] sanctioned by the Pentagon no no they
[05:27] didn't know anything about that until
[05:29] after
[05:30] after the fact did the contractors and
[05:32] or leaders of assap submit reports to
[05:35] the Pentagon regarding paranormal stuff
[05:37] at Skinwalker Ranch uh not that I saw
[05:41] you said in one of your op-eds that
[05:43] taxpayer money was quote inappropriately
[05:45] spent by ASAP at Skinwalker Ranch was
[05:48] there an investigation at the time into
[05:50] this misappropriation of funds uh that I
[05:54] do not know um well then how do you know
[05:56] it was inappropriately spent well
[05:59] because I know it's not in the budget to
[06:01] go and spend money on paranormal
[06:03] research over the last two years I have
[06:06] reported extensively about assap
[06:08] Skinwalker Ranch and this group of
[06:10] paranormal Crusaders you can find links
[06:13] in the description below a recent
[06:15] addition to this Core group of True
[06:17] Believers outlined in Kirkpatrick's
[06:19] report is an Air Force reservist named
[06:22] David grush grush is closely associated
[06:25] with many in the group including some of
[06:27] the Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunters in
[06:29] 2023 grush went public to claim that the
[06:33] government is secretly hiding crashed
[06:35] alien UFOs and alien bodies he also
[06:39] claimed that the aliens have injured and
[06:41] killed earthlings he presented no
[06:44] evidence for any of this but all the
[06:46] viral news coverage got the attention of
[06:48] some members of Congress who brought
[06:50] grush in to testify many times during
[06:53] his public Congressional testimony grush
[06:56] said he could not reveal certain
[06:57] evidence about the aliens because it was
[07:00] super secret and he couldn't reveal the
[07:02] secrets in public so did he then take
[07:04] his evidence of aliens to Arrow the
[07:07] office both literally looking for
[07:09] evidence of aliens and cleared to hear
[07:11] top secret information was David grush
[07:14] formally invited to speak with arrow and
[07:17] present evidence of his claims Arrow
[07:20] Arrow invited him five times that was
[07:23] documented and put into the did David
[07:27] grush actually ever come in
[07:30] at the time of my retirement he had not
[07:33] did David grush in fact refuse to do
[07:36] that uh he provided a couple of
[07:39] different reasons at various times of
[07:41] why he didn't want to come in his lawyer
[07:44] contacted me and had a conversation
[07:46] about it they did not want to come in
[07:49] what Kirk Patrick just said here has
[07:51] been a big point of contention because
[07:54] back in 2023 after gush appeared before
[07:57] Congress Kirkpatrick publicly said that
[08:00] grush had refused to speak with arrow
[08:03] but grush publicly in the mainstream
[08:05] media said this was a lie he said that
[08:08] Arrow had never reached out to him but
[08:11] new official government documents
[08:13] released via the Freedom of Information
[08:15] Act to John Greenwald show that Arrow
[08:17] had made multiple attempts to speak with
[08:20] grush it is shown that Arrow did invite
[08:23] grush to come in multiple times and at
[08:26] one point grush agrees to come in but
[08:28] never show
[08:30] leaving the arrow officials waiting in
[08:32] the
[08:33] lobby despite all these red flags and
[08:36] debunked claims a group of congressional
[08:39] leaders have rallied around David grush
[08:42] and his wild UFO claims this is the
[08:45] so-called Congressional UAP caucus UAP
[08:48] by the way is the new official acronym
[08:50] for UFO some members of the UAP caucus
[08:53] which is currently spending taxpayer
[08:55] resources on UFOs weren't impressed or
[08:58] convinced by Kirk Patrick's Arrow report
[09:02] Congressman Tim burett Tennessee one of
[09:04] the leaders of the so-called house UAP
[09:07] cus was asked about what he thought of
[09:10] the arrow report burett responded quote
[09:14] they're lying to us they're not telling
[09:17] the truth your
[09:19] response well I have not spoken with Tim
[09:22] burette uh he has not requested an arrow
[09:25] brief in the time that I was there so I
[09:27] am not entirely certain what he's basing
[09:30] his assertions on did any of the members
[09:33] of the so-called Congressional UAP
[09:36] caucus meet with you talk with you at
[09:38] all
[09:40] no no no it seems kind of strange for a
[09:44] u UA peacock is to not talk to the UAP
[09:47] guy you would think uh there are certain
[09:51] members of Congress that do not want to
[09:55] engage I guess did not engage have not
[09:58] engaged
[09:59] and they have not come to request
[10:02] anything at the time that I retired even
[10:05] after the error report was release some
[10:08] Congressional leaders announced that
[10:10] they will still continue to pursue many
[10:14] of the UFO and alien claims that were
[10:16] dismissed in your report as unfounded
[10:20] what are your thoughts on that uh I
[10:22] think as I've mentioned before that
[10:25] there are you know folks that are going
[10:27] to believe what they want to believe and
[10:29] when they have that level of belief
[10:31] there is no amount of rational thought
[10:33] that you're going to put in front of
[10:34] them that's going to change their mind I
[10:36] think it is a waste of time for them to
[10:39] continue to pursue that Congress stood
[10:42] up arrow with all of the authorities and
[10:45] res resources necessary to go
[10:47] investigate this on behalf of both
[10:50] Congress and the executive branch um and
[10:54] they have done that job and for them to
[10:56] continue to pursue that and call them
[10:58] Liars
[10:59] is actually telling the men and women of
[11:03] arob that have been working on this
[11:06] diligent that they are less credible
[11:09] than anybody else that walks in the door
[11:13] and that they are dismissing their
[11:16] commitment to uh the Constitution and
[11:19] their Duty and I find that um Beyond
[11:24] reprehensible you come off in
[11:26] general as perturbed about a lot of this
[11:29] if not mildly
[11:32] frustrated why is
[11:34] that one of the most frustrating and
[11:37] concerning things that that I discovered
[11:39] in this assignment and I've had
[11:41] assignments all over this world doing a
[11:43] lot of really cool
[11:45] stuff none of it has given me this level
[11:48] of frustration
[11:50] because the thing that was to that that
[11:53] we uncovered was that the number of of
[11:58] the lack of have a better description
[12:00] True
[12:01] Believers that have the the faith
[12:06] of conviction that the government is
[12:09] covering this up and hiding it the
[12:11] number of those people that actually
[12:12] exist within the government within the
[12:15] National Security space people that I've
[12:18] known for decades and worked with on
[12:20] some very sensitive things to have them
[12:23] sit in my office and tell me face to
[12:26] face I'm not going to help you and
[12:28] support you cuz I know you're part of
[12:29] the
[12:30] cover even though I'm looking at them
[12:33] going I only had this job for like the
[12:35] last week I don't know anything about
[12:37] what you're talking about and then lay
[12:39] out evidence to the contrary for them
[12:42] for them to ignore all of that and
[12:44] continue to press forward with the
[12:48] allegations uh is not just frustrating
[12:51] because some of them are in positions of
[12:52] authority that then make it difficult to
[12:55] get a job
[12:57] done like and actively instructing how
[13:01] we're doing business or or negating the
[13:04] way we're we're trying to lay out the
[13:07] evidence that um is frustrating and then
[13:11] to ensure that my people and my team are
[13:15] safe from prosecution because well one
[13:18] of the things that I am livid about is
[13:21] the fact that you know I walked into
[13:24] this job and was told to go do this I
[13:27] was it was demanded of me not just by
[13:30] Congress but by the American people that
[13:32] I had to be objective and open and
[13:35] follow the data wherever it would go and
[13:37] I made those promises in testimony that
[13:39] I would do so but that apparently does
[13:43] not apply the other way around and so
[13:46] whenever I lay out hey the data says
[13:50] that's not what what you think it is
[13:52] it's actually
[13:54] this instead of people going okay well
[13:57] let me let me follow the H workk and see
[13:59] how yeah okay you might be right no they
[14:02] get violent they get um offensive they
[14:07] start sending hate emails and letters
[14:10] and threatening my family threatening me
[14:13] and it's all right if you want to
[14:14] threaten me right I like I said I've
[14:16] I've been all over this world and I've
[14:19] had better people than that chase me
[14:22] around I don't care about that but when
[14:24] you start coming after my daughter and
[14:26] my wife because
[14:29] what I'm telling you that you're wrong
[14:31] that it's not an alien that it's not a
[14:33] cover up that it's actually something
[14:35] completely different um that is
[14:39] irritating and you had somebody arrested
[14:42] the FBI had to arrest someone outside
[14:44] your house right um well we had somebody
[14:47] show up at the place it was very bizarre
[14:49] but yes they came and got them are you
[14:52] still getting threats and harassment
[14:53] since you left oh yeah yeah every time I
[14:56] say something I'll bet you after your
[14:58] report comes out I'll get some regarding
[15:00] the True Believers inside government who
[15:03] attacked and fought him just because he
[15:05] said aliens weren't real Kirk Patrick
[15:08] says he considers their deepr rooted
[15:10] beliefs to be religious in nature a sort
[15:13] of UFO religion there is absolutely
[15:16] nothing that I'm going to do say or
[15:18] produce
[15:20] evidentiary that is going to make the
[15:23] True
[15:24] Believers convert if you will it's
[15:27] almost like a religion it is basically
[15:29] religion and he considers them to be a
[15:31] Potential Threat to National Security I
[15:35] think that is disturbing and should be a
[15:38] flag for the National Security Community
[15:42] because how can you then trust those
[15:44] people if they are not objective enough
[15:47] to understand evidentiary based
[15:51] assertions like that how can you trust
[15:54] them with n our national secrets so
[15:57] according to the senior leader of the
[15:59] pentagon's official UFO office a UFO
[16:02] religion has infiltrated the US
[16:04] government influenced the US Congress
[16:07] and poses a potential national security
[16:09] threat this seems like front page news
[16:12] but you won't find it on the front pages
[16:14] of American mainstream media who mostly
[16:17] ignored Kirk Patrick's error report and
[16:19] who continued to publish credulous
[16:21] stories about aliens and UFOs people
[16:24] make that leap of hey I don't understand
[16:27] what I'm seeing
[16:29] therefore it must be an
[16:31] alien there's a whole range of other
[16:34] possibilities between I don't understand
[16:37] what I'm seeing and it's an alien
[16:39] there's all kinds of other stuff that
[16:40] happens in there right um why people
[16:43] make that jump I don't know okay now for
[16:47] two curveballs there were two moments
[16:50] during the interview that didn't sit
[16:52] right with me one was when I brought up
[16:55] the pentagon's UAP task force next the
[16:58] task Force the UAP task force this task
[17:01] force was created in 2020 in response to
[17:04] sudden public interest in UFOs there was
[17:07] sudden public interest in UFOs because
[17:09] of viral news stories promoted by this
[17:12] group of UFO Believers in charge of this
[17:15] new Pentagon task force was Jay Stratton
[17:17] one of the members of this group and
[17:19] former Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunter
[17:22] during the assap program stratton's
[17:24] Chief scientist on the task force was
[17:26] Travis Taylor another Skinwalker in
[17:29] Ghost Hunter and star of pseudo science
[17:31] reality shows like Ancient Aliens and
[17:34] the secret of Skinwalker Ranch Stratton
[17:36] brought into the task force various
[17:38] paranormal enthusiasts according to
[17:41] sources the task force missed multiple
[17:44] incursions of Chinese spycraft Over
[17:46] America for years because the task force
[17:48] was instead chasing spooky UFOs but in
[17:52] Kirkpatrick's report the UAP task force
[17:55] only gets two little paragraphs and
[17:57] those paragraphs basically only talk
[18:00] about how great and successful the task
[18:02] force was Zero mention of the Paranormal
[18:06] stuff in the same report arrow goes into
[18:09] great detail about how this group was
[18:11] wasting taxpayer money chasing
[18:13] paranormal things in the assap program
[18:16] but when members of the same group get
[18:18] put in charge of yet another program
[18:21] there are zero mentions of it this
[18:24] report was supposed to reveal all those
[18:26] details but here it doesn't I brought
[18:29] this up to Kirk Patrick next the task
[18:31] force the UAP task force did some of the
[18:35] same individuals involved in assap go on
[18:38] to lead in or work on the UAP task
[18:41] force so to my knowledge when I came in
[18:45] it stood our Arrow the task force had
[18:47] only three full-time people on it um and
[18:52] and everybody else that was tapped
[18:54] across the community the IC or the DFD
[18:58] weren't
[18:59] full-time members of the task force they
[19:01] would support with data and information
[19:03] when asked but I think that was about it
[19:06] and those three people live in the pon
[19:09] okay notice how he didn't answer my
[19:10] question here so I ask him again right
[19:14] did former assap people involved in the
[19:19] assap program were they involved and at
[19:22] least initially with the UAP task force
[19:25] I believe so he finally answers yes
[19:30] yes uh how does that happen who put them
[19:32] in their in those roles no idea okay are
[19:36] you aware that you know you mentioned
[19:38] some of the third parties that came in
[19:39] are you aware that some of those um
[19:42] third parties that the uaf brought in
[19:44] were a number of people with fringe
[19:46] beliefs like Ghost Hunters and psychics
[19:48] and they were brought in to be
[19:51] analysts I was not part of and don't
[19:55] know anything about how they ran the
[19:57] task force I was actually out in
[19:59] Colorado during all that okay but during
[20:03] your arrow historical report you didn't
[20:05] see any of that
[20:09] information um I think the rest of that
[20:12] part of the review will come in volume
[20:16] two oh really so there's more on the
[20:19] task force coming in volume two I don't
[20:21] know for certain I have to direct you
[20:23] back to Arrow okay so he's saying that
[20:26] maybe all the wacky crazy stuff about
[20:28] the task force
[20:29] will come out in a new forthcoming
[20:31] report like I said before the intent was
[20:34] everything we had by the cut off date
[20:37] for volume one is in volume one and then
[20:40] anything that we missed or anything that
[20:42] they want to add in there they will put
[20:45] in in volume two so okay U because just
[20:47] from for an outsider like me amateur
[20:50] researcher from the outside it looks
[20:53] like you know I read your report I see
[20:54] your on reccord statements and you're
[20:56] like man this group has just been
[20:58] telling tall tales and you know and
[21:01] taking advantage and pushing their stuff
[21:02] and inappropriately spending money and
[21:05] then I see that same group involved with
[21:08] the UAP task force and I see them more
[21:11] or less doing the same exact thing all
[21:14] over again you would think that after
[21:16] assap and the Pentagon goes oh my God
[21:18] what is this group doing that they would
[21:20] be the last people in charge of an
[21:23] official task force after that yeah so I
[21:25] don't know like I said I don't know who
[21:28] made those decisions what I do know is
[21:30] when I was asked to come in and the task
[21:32] force was officially stood down uh you
[21:36] know I started from scratch I'm not
[21:38] satisfied with this answer but Kirk
[21:40] Patrick only gave me 30 minutes for the
[21:42] interview and I didn't feel like eating
[21:44] up more time the second moment comes
[21:47] when I ask Kirk Patrick if he had a
[21:49] previous history working with UFOs or if
[21:52] he had any previous associations with
[21:55] members of this core group of True
[21:57] Believers before did you have any
[21:59] interest at all in
[22:01] UFOs not beyond the occasional
[22:06] movie before Arrow did you perform any
[22:08] duties uh regarding UFOs or paranormal
[22:12] phenomena
[22:14] no did you attend a 2018 Senate armed
[22:17] services committee briefing on
[22:20] Skinwalker
[22:22] Ranch I asked him this question because
[22:25] in a previous report of mine I revealed
[22:27] that in 200 18 Brandon fugle the owner
[22:30] of Skinwalker Ranch went to Washington
[22:33] DC and gave a briefing to multiple
[22:35] Pentagon officials about the spooky
[22:38] stuff at the ranch at the briefing were
[22:40] some of the members of this group fugle
[22:43] told me Kirk Patrick was not only there
[22:46] but was leading the briefing about
[22:47] Skinwalker Ranch did you attend a 2018
[22:51] Senate armed services committee briefing
[22:54] on Skinwalker
[22:56] Ranch no I attended a briefing at the
[23:00] request of Senate armed services
[23:03] committee on what was at that time
[23:06] associated with the atip AAP AAP
[23:10] research that was going as an
[23:13] independent
[23:14] outside uh reviewer and I gave them my
[23:17] opinions at that time who invited you to
[23:20] that
[23:21] briefing uh it was one one of the
[23:25] staffers okay one of the one of the
[23:27] staffers on SA
[23:29] ASC got it and you're saying that this
[23:31] was like an offset of assap a tip that's
[23:35] my understanding at the time was it was
[23:37] a spin out of those programs in 2018 wow
[23:41] okay um those programs were ended the
[23:46] research by these independent people
[23:49] because this was not an official
[23:51] government briefing this was a briefing
[23:54] by people that were not associated with
[23:56] the government so
[23:59] okay so this briefing was not an
[24:01] official DOD Pentagon briefing oh
[24:03] absolutely not okay Brandon fugle the
[24:06] owner of Skinwalker Ranch says you quote
[24:09] LED that briefing in 2018 and claims you
[24:13] said you were quote already fully aware
[24:16] of the reality of UFO phenomena is that
[24:19] accurate I wasn't leading
[24:22] anything I had another job at the time
[24:25] and I was brought in as an independent
[24:28] of objective reviewer of what that SAS
[24:31] was being told okay cuz this offered a
[24:34] little bit of a curveball in my
[24:36] reporting because I I did a whole Deep
[24:39] dive on Skinwalker Ranch U Brandon fugle
[24:42] told me about the briefing said you know
[24:44] you were there he said that you know
[24:47] Kirk Patrick said that UFOs are real in
[24:49] this briefing and when I reported that I
[24:51] think the UFO community at the time was
[24:53] like oh Kirk Patrick's a UFO guy because
[24:56] fugle said so and then when you're
[24:58] report came out they're like wait what
[24:59] the hell yeah no Kirkpatrick did not say
[25:03] aliens were real or UFOs were real that
[25:06] the reality quote the reality of UFO
[25:08] phenomena is real no I never said that
[25:12] before Arrow did you have any
[25:13] association with any of these folks any
[25:16] of the people in this Core group of
[25:18] Believers no so like when you went to
[25:21] that briefing in 2018 where you said all
[25:23] saap atip folks were there you didn't
[25:26] know any of those people
[25:29] not at the T okay not that I remember I
[25:33] think I met all of the all the people
[25:35] associated with this all at that time
[25:37] was probably around the first that I'd
[25:39] ever met them okay so he admits that he
[25:42] was at this unofficial 2018 Skinwalker
[25:45] Ranch briefing but only on invitation
[25:47] and only as an independent objective
[25:50] reviewer okay but seriously what was he
[25:53] even doing there how can he say that he
[25:56] had no interest or duties regarding us
[25:58] before 2022 if he's attending briefings
[26:01] in 2018 about one of the most famous UFO
[26:05] spots on planet Earth I could have
[26:07] pushed him more on this but time was
[26:10] ticking and I wanted to cover more
[26:12] topics I emailed Kirk Patrick some
[26:14] follow-up questions and he said this I
[26:18] ended up at that briefing because a
[26:20] congressional staffer asked me to attend
[26:22] as an objective thirdparty scientist to
[26:24] listen to the presentation I did not
[26:27] know it was about Skinwalker Ranch until
[26:29] later I don't recall it being referenced
[26:32] by that name during the briefing he
[26:35] doesn't recall Skinwalker Ranch even
[26:37] being referenced I replied by sending
[26:40] Kirk Patrick this PowerPoint
[26:42] presentation that Brandon fugle claims
[26:44] he presented at the briefing Skinwalker
[26:46] Ranch is all over it and it's all about
[26:50] Skinwalker Ranch Kirk Patrick replied
[26:53] that's not the briefing I recall seeing
[26:56] the briefing I saw was less polished
[26:59] come to think about it I don't believe
[27:00] it was 2018 that I attended a briefing
[27:03] on the hill I believe it would have been
[27:05] 2017 in 2018 I was stationed in Colorado
[27:09] I don't recall ever meeting Fugal maybe
[27:12] he's confusing the two meetings so I
[27:15] reached out to Brandon fugle about Kirk
[27:17] Patrick's comments fugle responded are
[27:20] you trying to get Kirk Patrick in
[27:22] trouble and Destroy his credibility you
[27:24] better be careful with what you report
[27:27] to which I replied no I interviewed him
[27:29] and brought up the 2018 Senate armed
[27:32] services committee briefing you had told
[27:34] me about I included his response below
[27:37] and would like to give you an
[27:38] opportunity to respond or clarify fugle
[27:41] responded he meaning Kirk Patrick was at
[27:44] that meeting on April 19th 2018 I gave
[27:48] you an accurate account of the meeting
[27:50] and have video photos and Witnesses I
[27:53] then asked fugle if he could provide any
[27:55] of those videos photos or Witnesses
[27:58] fugle did not respond at the time of
[28:01] this video's
[28:02] publishing this is all very confusing
[28:05] and at this point I simply don't know
[28:08] who to
[28:11] believe are you a part of a government
[28:15] coverup to hide aliens or non-human
[28:18] intelligence no is it possible that you
[28:22] are unknowingly part of a coverup to
[28:26] hide aliens or non-human intelligence
[28:29] not life

Introduction
The discussion centers around the complexities of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), often referred to as UFOs, and the implications these have for national security and public perception. This segment of the interview with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), delves into the challenges faced by military pilots and the broader implications of UFO sightings.

Concerns of Pilots
Kirkpatrick highlights that pilots have expressed genuine concerns regarding what they encounter in the airspace. The questions arise: Is what they see dangerous? Is it hostile? Is it an adversary? These concerns are not trivial; they represent real safety and security issues that need to be addressed. The AARO was established by Congress to investigate claims of UFOs and potential extraterrestrial life, a topic that has garnered significant media attention over the past several years.

Findings of the AARO
Under Kirkpatrick's leadership, the AARO conducted extensive investigations into UFO claims, asserting that they had top-secret access to a wide range of information. However, the findings were disappointing for those hoping for evidence of extraterrestrial life. Instead of uncovering aliens or advanced technologies, the AARO identified a core group of UFO enthusiasts who have propagated unfounded paranormal stories. Kirkpatrick points out that these narratives have been perpetuated by misleading reports, such as a widely circulated New York Times article that inaccurately represented UFO phenomena.

UFO True Believers
Kirkpatrick refers to a subset of individuals within the military and government who are deeply invested in the belief of UFOs, likening their fervor to a religious conviction. He expresses concern over their influence on national security decisions, as these beliefs may not be grounded in data or evidence. This raises critical questions about the reliability of those making decisions that could affect national security.

Congressional Involvement
Despite the AARO's detailed report, which aimed to clarify the situation regarding UFOs, Congress has continued to pursue investigations into the phenomena. Kirkpatrick notes that the legislative body has largely ignored the findings of the AARO, which contradict the ongoing narrative that there is a significant UFO threat. This disconnect illustrates a broader issue where sensational media coverage has overshadowed factual evidence, leading to a misinformed public and continued congressional interest in UFOs.

Operational Missions of AARO
The AARO's operational mission includes addressing legitimate safety and security concerns related to unidentified objects in the air. Kirkpatrick emphasizes that while there are no aliens in the skies, there are indeed unidentified objects that could pose risks. The military's upgraded radar systems have revealed many previously undetectable objects, leading to confusion among pilots who are unsure of what they are encountering.

Common Misunderstandings
Many of the objects identified by the military have been determined to be mundane, such as balloons—both party and weather balloons. Kirkpatrick points out that the number of balloons launched daily is significant, contributing to the potential for midair collisions. Additionally, the rise of drones in civilian airspace presents another layer of complexity, as they are becoming increasingly common and can pose risks to military and commercial flights.

Foreign Adversaries
Kirkpatrick also notes that some unidentified objects are foreign adversaries, such as drones and balloons from countries like China and Russia, which may be used for surveillance. The infamous Chinese spy balloon incident is cited as a clear example of this threat. Kirkpatrick suggests that the public's fascination with alien narratives has distracted from these very real security issues.

Debunking UFO Claims
Throughout the interview, Kirkpatrick expresses disappointment in the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life, stating that the best outcome would have been to find definitive proof of aliens. Instead, he has found that many of the sensational claims surrounding UFO sightings have been debunked through scientific analysis. For instance, videos that were once thought to show advanced alien technology have been explained as optical illusions or artifacts from the cameras used to capture them.

Conclusion
Kirkpatrick's insights reveal a complex landscape where genuine safety concerns regarding aerial phenomena are often overshadowed by sensationalism and unfounded beliefs. The challenge remains to separate fact from fiction, ensuring that national security decisions are based on evidence rather than speculation. As the AARO continues its work, the hope is to bring clarity to the conversation surrounding UFOs while addressing the legitimate concerns of pilots and the public alike.

The transcript does not mention any specific "bombshell" claims or paranormal events, such as "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." Instead, it focuses on the experiences and perspectives shared by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's UFO office, regarding the investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). The discussion centers on the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life, the beliefs held by some individuals in the UFO community, and the misconceptions surrounding various sightings. Therefore, any claims or events related to the aforementioned terms are not included in the provided transcript.

The transcript highlights that the government, particularly under the leadership of Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick at the AARO (All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office), did not find any fabricated evidence of UFOs despite significant public interest and speculation. Kirkpatrick mentions that there was a core group of UFO believers who pushed false and unfounded stories about paranormal activities. This group is credited with influencing mainstream media narratives, resulting in the dissemination of inaccurate information regarding UFOs. Kirkpatrick specifically notes the impact of a misleading New York Times article, which, according to him, contained factually inaccurate claims that were widely replicated by the media.

Additionally, Kirkpatrick expresses concern that some individuals who are True Believers in UFOs hold positions of authority within the military, thereby potentially compromising national security. He questions the decision-making processes of these individuals, suggesting that their conclusions are based more on religious conviction rather than empirical data. Thus, the transcript does not provide evidence of government-created fake UFO evidence, but it does illustrate the challenges posed by misinformation and the influence of belief systems on public and governmental perceptions of UFOs.

• [01:09] "They found a core group of UFO believers who have spent years pushing false and unfounded paranormal stories."
• [03:35] "Despite evidence contrary, Congress is continuing to beat this drum."
• [02:04] "Kirkpatrick believes these True Believers present a Potential Threat to National Security."

The transcript discusses the establishment of the AARO (All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office) by Congress to investigate claims of UFOs and potential extraterrestrial activity. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who led this office, emphasizes that despite having top-secret access and extensive investigations over 18 months, his team found no evidence supporting the existence of aliens or otherworldly phenomena. The focus of AARO was on addressing valid safety and security concerns from pilots regarding unidentified objects in U.S. airspace.

While specific funding streams like AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program) and AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) are not directly mentioned in the transcript, Kirkpatrick highlights the significant media attention and legislative pressure that has propelled the investigation of UFOs since 2017. He points out that this interest was largely driven by earlier incidents and claims that have since been addressed but remain influential in public discourse. The transcript does not provide detailed funding amounts such as the $22 million mentioned in relation to Senator Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow's efforts, indicating that key financial specifics are not included in the content.

• [02:43] "Congress created Arrow to investigate claims of aliens in UFOs that have captured news headlines for the last 6 years."
• [04:39] "Kirkpatrick and arrow answered those questions in their report but Congress seems to have mostly ignored the report they themselves asked for..."
• [12:02] "the best thing that could have happened in this job is I found the aliens and I could have rolled them out but there’s none there."

The interaction between "True Believers" and U.S. government institutions, as described in the transcript, highlights a concerning dynamic where beliefs in UFOs infiltrate decision-making processes within the Pentagon and Congress. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick refers to some individuals in the military as UFO True Believers, suggesting they possess a fervent, almost religious conviction about the existence of extraterrestrial life. He expresses deep concern that these beliefs could lead to decisions that impact national security, as they may rely more on personal conviction than on scientific evidence.

Furthermore, the transcript outlines how the 2017 New York Times article served as a catalyst, creating a "domino effect" that heightened congressional interest in UFOs. Kirkpatrick argues that this article, despite its inaccuracies, continues to inform congressional perspectives and actions regarding UAP investigations. He criticizes Congress for seemingly ignoring the detailed findings of the AARO report, which aimed to clarify and demystify many of the claims that had gained traction. This situation illustrates a significant disconnect between empirical evidence and sensational narratives that have come to dominate public discourse.

• [01:47] "Kirkpatrick refers to these UFO True Believers as religious in nature, a sort of UFO religion."
• [03:20] "Congress is continuing to beat this drum despite evidence contrary."
• [04:13] "This domino effect has been going on the Arrow report in many ways stops the domino fall."

The transcript provides several mundane and technological explanations for what have been perceived as UFO sightings. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick explains that many of the objects encountered by military pilots, which were initially alarming, have been identified as common objects or phenomena. For instance, he notes that when the military upgraded their radar systems, they began detecting a range of objects that were previously unseen. However, upon further investigation, many of these objects turned out to be mundane items such as party balloons, weather balloons, and various other forms of ballooning.

Moreover, the transcript discusses the phenomenon of parallax illusions, which can mislead observers regarding the speed and distance of objects. For example, Kirkpatrick cites a video that was claimed to show a fast-moving UFO, which was later determined to actually be a balloon moving at a much lower speed, with the apparent motion attributed to the camera's movement. The transcript also mentions that some visual anomalies, like the triangular shapes observed in certain UFO videos, were actually the result of a camera's triangular iris, making out-of-focus objects appear triangular.

These explanations serve to demystify widely publicized sightings and suggest that many of the fears related to UFOs are based on misunderstandings of technology and visual perception rather than on evidence of extraterrestrial life.

• [10:20] "This optical illusion is called parallax; the camera is actually what's moving fast, not the object."
• [10:28] "The triangle shapes are due to the camera's triangular iris which makes out-of-focus objects look triangular."
• [07:50] "There's also been a massive increase of drones in the air; the FAA says drones are the fastest growing segment of aviation in the United States."

[00:00] [Music]
[00:00] what's in the
[00:02] airspace is it
[00:04] dangerous is it hostile is it in an
[00:08] adversary or is it something else oh my
[00:12] gosh what is that how are we going to
[00:15] get our arms around it what are we going
[00:17] to do about it because the pilots were
[00:20] concerned there are real Safety and
[00:23] Security
[00:27] issues this is part two of my interview
[00:30] with Dr Shan Kirkpatrick the former head
[00:33] of the pentagon's UFO office called the
[00:35] allain anomaly resolution office or
[00:38] Arrow part one is linked in the
[00:40] description below Congress created Arrow
[00:43] to investigate claims of aliens in UFOs
[00:46] that have captured news headlines for
[00:48] the last 6 years for 18 months under
[00:50] Kirk Patrick's leadership Arrow looked
[00:53] for the aliens they said they had top
[00:55] secret access to everything and looked
[00:57] everywhere and they found nothing no
[01:01] aliens no space monsters nothing instead
[01:06] they found a core group of UFO believers
[01:09] who have spent years pushing false and
[01:11] unfounded paranormal stories this Core
[01:15] Group helped create and promote a
[01:17] factually inaccurate New York Times
[01:19] story about UFOs this one New York Times
[01:22] story and its false information was copy
[01:26] pasted hundreds of times by the
[01:27] mainstream news media who went on to
[01:30] print even more baseless UFO stories
[01:34] promoted by this group Kirk Patrick says
[01:37] there's also UFO true believers who
[01:39] continue to hold positions of authority
[01:42] within the US military Kirk Patrick
[01:44] refers to these UFO True Believers as
[01:47] religious in nature a sort of UFO
[01:50] religion Kirkpatrick says he and his
[01:52] family have been threatened with
[01:54] violence by some of these true believers
[01:57] who are convinced Kirk Patrick is
[01:59] covering up the aliens Kirkpatrick
[02:01] believes these True Believers present a
[02:04] Potential Threat to National Security
[02:07] because they're making crucial decisions
[02:09] not Based on data or evidence but
[02:12] instead on fervent religious conviction
[02:15] how can we then trust them with our
[02:17] national Secrets Kirk Patrick asks it's
[02:20] a very good question but my confusion is
[02:23] why it took so long to ask
[02:26] it the arrow report is very detailed
[02:30] specific and conclusive but it's
[02:33] 2024 this all started in
[02:37] 2017 this current phase of things um and
[02:41] it's been a Non-Stop UFO and alien Fest
[02:45] since uh for six years so how the heck
[02:49] did this get so out of hand how was it
[02:51] allowed to go on for so long why didn't
[02:54] the petting on just shut all this
[02:56] nonsense down six years ago
[03:00] well those are all great questions I
[03:03] don't have answers for them other than
[03:05] Congress wrote A lot of it into law and
[03:08] told the department and the IC to go do
[03:11] and so they have to the best of their
[03:15] ability
[03:16] so you know I think what you're seeing
[03:20] is the executive branch in particular
[03:22] the Pentagon and the I are very much
[03:26] trying to address congress's concerns
[03:31] Congress is continuing to beat this drum
[03:35] despite evidence
[03:37] contrary Kirk Patrick is saying
[03:39] essentially that Arrow represented the
[03:42] first time Congress actually mandated
[03:45] these specific questions be asked
[03:48] Kirkpatrick and arrow answered those
[03:50] questions in their report but Congress
[03:53] seems to have mostly ignored the report
[03:56] they themselves asked for and instead
[03:59] continue their hunt for alien UFOs
[04:02] despite evidence to the
[04:05] contrary congress's interest in
[04:08] this um is a domino effect the New York
[04:11] Times article comes out Domino Falls
[04:13] worldwide news copy paste the New York
[04:15] Times story Domino Falls Congress goes
[04:17] what the hell's going on and they still
[04:20] to this day Congress still thinks the
[04:23] basic facts of that New York Times story
[04:25] is accurate they're still operating off
[04:27] of the original claims the original
[04:29] story so this domino effect has been
[04:32] going on the Arrow report in many ways
[04:35] stops the domino fall but it's my
[04:38] question you can give me just your
[04:40] opinion like what's taken so
[04:42] long well okay so let me let's let's
[04:45] let's back up just a so the there's
[04:48] there are two different things happening
[04:50] here that we're I think we're talking
[04:52] about so the the New York Times article
[04:56] covered uh a lot of the stories on
[05:00] Pilots right Pilots
[05:02] concerning things that they're seeing as
[05:05] they're flying around so that's that all
[05:08] falls under the operational mission of
[05:11] era right there are real Safety and
[05:13] Security issues that arrow is trying to
[05:16] address that the department is trying to
[05:19] address of hey what's in the
[05:22] airspace um is it dangerous is it
[05:26] hostile is it an adversary or is it just
[05:28] something that could cause
[05:30] an accident in the air what is that how
[05:34] are we going to get our arms around it
[05:35] and what are we going to do about it
[05:37] because the pilots were concerned and
[05:39] they had valid concerns about that the
[05:42] historical piece of this um where you
[05:46] know wrapped in the allegations of
[05:48] government cover up and
[05:50] conspiracy are um the things that are
[05:53] mostly unfound and are are woven into
[05:58] the same narrative
[06:00] as what the pilots are seeing and these
[06:02] are not the same things these aren't
[06:04] even close to the same things Kirk
[06:06] Patrick brings up a good point while
[06:09] there aren't any aliens in our skies
[06:11] something obviously is when the military
[06:15] upgraded their radar systems in recent
[06:17] years they suddenly saw a bunch of new
[06:21] stuff stuff they couldn't see before on
[06:25] their older radar platforms this seems
[06:28] to have led to the surprise and at times
[06:30] confusion of pilots who asked what the
[06:34] heck is all this stuff well a lot of
[06:36] that stuff has since been determined to
[06:38] be mundane things like balloons from
[06:41] party balloons to weather balloons Kirk
[06:45] Patrick told CNN's Peter Bergen balloons
[06:48] are one of the biggest hazards right now
[06:50] and it's growing there's something like
[06:52] 10,000 balloons launched daily there's
[06:56] also been a massive increase of drones
[06:59] in the air the FAA says drones are the
[07:03] fastest growing segment of aviation in
[07:05] the United States and millions of them
[07:08] have been sold to the public since
[07:11] drones are still in emerging technology
[07:14] laws to enforce Dron safety are
[07:17] sometimes lagging behind as such
[07:19] Military and Commercial Air Pilots are
[07:22] encountering both balloons and drones in
[07:25] the air and such encounters present a
[07:27] real danger for midair collisions
[07:31] another documented fact is that some of
[07:34] these objects are foreign adversaries
[07:37] like China or Russia spying on America
[07:40] with drones and balloons the infamous
[07:43] Chinese spy balloon is the most obvious
[07:46] example of this but there are many many
[07:49] other
[07:50] cases the public is mostly unaware of
[07:54] this and I will be producing a deeper
[07:56] investigation into this aspect in the
[07:59] near future but for now it seems that
[08:02] fake stories about aliens have
[08:04] distracted us from fully addressing a
[08:07] very real problem I think the problem
[08:10] was is that that real problem initially
[08:14] was branded Under the Umbrella of
[08:16] paranormal of aliens and right and so
[08:20] people were looking this way instead of
[08:22] looking that way that's correct and that
[08:24] and and that's that's an important
[08:26] distinction you need to make sure it is
[08:28] clear um with your readers of you know
[08:33] look these are two separate things and
[08:38] why people make that leap of hey I don't
[08:43] understand what I'm
[08:44] seeing therefore it must be an
[08:47] alien there's a whole range of other
[08:50] possibilities between I don't understand
[08:53] what I'm saying and it's an alien
[08:54] there's all kinds of other stuff that
[08:56] happens in there right um why people
[08:59] make make that jump I don't know it's a
[09:02] very interesting psychological study in
[09:04] PhD thesis for somebody but it's not our
[09:07] job our job was to try to decouple the
[09:10] two while trying to decouple fact from
[09:13] fiction Kirk Patrick arrow and the
[09:15] Pentagon were able to demystify some of
[09:18] the famous UFO videos that have captured
[09:21] the Public's attention for the last 6
[09:23] years the UFO True Believers have
[09:25] claimed that these videos show
[09:27] otherworldly craft operating in spooky
[09:30] ways that defy the laws of physics for
[09:33] example here is Lou alzando a member of
[09:36] this group on the History Channel
[09:39] claiming that this video shows a spooky
[09:41] UFO traveling at high speed across the
[09:44] ocean that thing is hauling that's
[09:47] exactly my point it's a little less than
[09:49] 2third of speed of sound but how is the
[09:51] craft able to fly so fast but subsequent
[09:54] analysis from the Pentagon NASA and
[09:56] independent experts discovered that the
[09:58] object is not moving that fast at all
[10:01] using basic trigonometry the object's
[10:04] speed is estimated to be as low as 30 or
[10:08] 40 mph consistent with a balloon being
[10:11] pushed by the wind the camera is
[10:14] actually what's moving fast not the
[10:16] object this optical illusion is called
[10:20] Parallax this video was claimed by UFO
[10:23] Believers to be spooky flying pyramids
[10:26] but it was officially determined by the
[10:28] Pentagon and multiple independent
[10:30] experts that the triangle shapes are due
[10:33] to the camera's triangular Iris which
[10:36] makes out of focus objects look
[10:40] triangular most of the triangles in this
[10:43] video are just out of focus stars in the
[10:46] night sky the Pentagon says other
[10:49] objects were drones not alien pyramid
[10:54] spacecraft this famous video is claimed
[10:57] by True Believers to show a spooky UFO
[11:00] performing an impossible midair rotation
[11:03] while the object itself has yet to be
[11:05] fully identified this is not its true
[11:09] shape this black blob is simply glare
[11:12] from thermal imaging in the apparent
[11:15] rotation has been determined to just be
[11:17] a side effect of the camera's internal
[11:19] gimbal rotation which has been
[11:22] reconstructed in detail by UFO skeptic
[11:25] and computer programmer Mick West as the
[11:28] source camera wrote rotates so does the
[11:31] glare from the object and so most if not
[11:34] all of the main UFO images that have
[11:37] captured news headlines over the last 6
[11:39] years have since been debunked as either
[11:42] normal terrestrial objects like planes
[11:45] drones or balloons or as Illusions
[11:47] errors or camera artifacts Kirk Patrick
[11:50] seems a bit disappointed in all the
[11:52] mundane explanations telling CNN's Peter
[11:55] Bergen that the best thing that could
[11:57] have happened never did the best thing
[11:59] that could have happened in this job is
[12:02] I found the aliens and I could have
[12:03] rolled them out but there's none there
[12:06] is no evidence of extraterrestrials
[12:09] there is no evidence of aliens and
[12:11] there's no evidence of of the government
[12:15] [Music]
[12:17] conspiracy okay now for the part most of
[12:20] you are probably waiting for my previous
[12:23] report ended on somewhat of a
[12:25] cliffhanger if you haven't seen it yet
[12:27] and you're a fan of Cliffhangers the
[12:29] link is in the description below in
[12:31] essence Kirk Patrick claimed to me that
[12:33] he had nothing to do with UFOs or the
[12:36] Paranormal before his assignment to
[12:38] arrow in 2022 but then I discovered he
[12:41] was at a 2018 briefing which featured a
[12:44] presentation about Skinwalker Ranch a
[12:46] supposed UFO hotspot also in the
[12:48] briefing were various UFO and paranormal
[12:51] enthusiasts so what the heck was Kirk
[12:53] Patrick doing there UFO believers who
[12:56] don't like Kirk Patrick smelled blood
[12:59] they took to social media to say my
[13:01] report proved Kirk Patrick was a liar
[13:04] but he didn't actually lie about
[13:07] anything in my report sure there were
[13:09] some outstanding questions and confusing
[13:12] statements on all sides but that alone
[13:15] doesn't make him a liar because of these
[13:18] wild accusations I felt it was necessary
[13:21] to dig deeper I now have new information
[13:24] about this briefing so let's fact check
[13:27] the main claims in June 2022 I
[13:31] interviewed Brandon fugle the owner of
[13:33] Skinwalker Ranch claim number one fugle
[13:37] claimed that in 2018 a congressional
[13:39] staffer named Thomas Kirk McConnell from
[13:41] Senator McCain's office called him and
[13:44] asked him on behalf of Senator McCain to
[13:47] come to Washington DC to the Senate
[13:49] armed services committee and present a
[13:51] briefing on Skinwalker Ranch fact check
[13:55] Thomas Kurt McConnell was a Democrat who
[13:57] did not work for Senator McCain
[14:00] McConnell worked for Senator Jack Reed a
[14:03] Democrat from Rhode Island Jack Reed at
[14:05] that time was the ranking minority
[14:07] member of the Senate armed services
[14:09] Committee in 2018 Senator McCain was
[14:12] technically the chairman of the Senate
[14:14] armed services committee but McConnell
[14:16] would not have worked for him also in
[14:19] 2018 McCain wasn't even in Washington DC
[14:23] he had been diagnosed with brain cancer
[14:25] and starting in 2017 had remained in his
[14:28] home home state of Arizona to undergo
[14:31] cancer treatments in fact just 4 days
[14:34] before this supposed Skinwalker Ranch
[14:36] briefing that Fugal claims was created
[14:39] and organized by and on behalf of
[14:43] Senator McCain McCain was actually in
[14:46] Phoenix Arizona at a hospital getting
[14:49] surgery I previously brought all of this
[14:52] up to Fugal and asked him to provide
[14:54] evidence of McCain's involvement in this
[14:57] 2018 Skinwalker Ranch brief briefing
[14:59] fugle provided no evidence saying the
[15:03] only evidence of McCain's involvement
[15:05] was just something someone had told him
[15:08] verbally oh okay well that doesn't seem
[15:11] very solid in a statement to me the
[15:14] Senate armed services committee says no
[15:16] senators were involved in fugal's
[15:19] briefing and as of the date of this
[15:21] video reports publication no evidence of
[15:24] Senator McCain's involvement has been
[15:26] provided so for now this part of fugal's
[15:30] claim is unfounded and lacking evidence
[15:33] claim number two Fugal claims Sean Kirk
[15:36] Patrick was at this 2018 briefing fact
[15:40] check kurk Patrick confirmed to me that
[15:43] he was indeed at this briefing but that
[15:46] he couldn't remember whether it was 2017
[15:49] or 2018 because in the summer of 2018 he
[15:53] moved to Colorado fugle told me he had
[15:56] photos from this briefing I asked fugle
[15:59] if he could provide these photos he did
[16:01] not provide them only after my report
[16:04] was published did fugle publicly tweet a
[16:07] photo from The Briefing which shows Kirk
[16:10] Patrick there okay fugle says Kirk
[16:13] Patrick was there Kirk Patrick confirmed
[16:15] he was and the photo shows that
[16:18] everyone's in agreement and the photo's
[16:20] metadata establishes that the briefing
[16:23] occurred on April 19th
[16:25] 2018 which is before Kirk Patrick moved
[16:27] to Colorado So within the time window
[16:30] Kirk Patrick originally estimated claim
[16:33] number three Fugal claim Kirk Patrick
[16:36] was quote one of the individuals leading
[16:39] the discussion at the briefing Fugal
[16:41] also claims Kirk Patrick told everyone
[16:44] in the room about his belief in quote
[16:47] the reality of UFO phenomena fact check
[16:51] Kirk Patrick responded to this claim
[16:53] saying that is a blatant lie and
[16:56] mischaracterization from Fugal I neither
[16:59] led the meeting nor ever said UFO
[17:01] phenomena was real period the meeting
[17:04] was called and led by Kirk McConnell I
[17:07] was invited by McConnell to listen and
[17:09] give my opinion I didn't lead the
[17:12] conversation I didn't say much but ask a
[17:15] couple pointed questions at the
[17:16] pseudoscientific presentation I gave my
[17:19] unfavorable impression and assessment of
[17:21] the briefing to the staffers and moved
[17:23] on never giving it another thought until
[17:26] now the photo Fugal provided does indeed
[17:30] show Fugal and his team presenting on
[17:32] one side and the listening audience is
[17:35] on the other side McConnell is sitting
[17:38] at the head of the table in the center I
[17:41] reached out to how POF who was at the
[17:43] briefing and is a close associate of
[17:45] Brandon Fugal Poff agrees with
[17:48] Kirkpatrick's version of things I asked
[17:50] Poff what was Sean Kirkpatrick's role at
[17:53] this briefing Poff responded I assume as
[17:56] for others in attendance it was simply
[17:58] for infog Gathering I then asked POF was
[18:01] Kirk Patrick leading the discussion at
[18:03] all or was he just listening taking
[18:05] notes Etc Poff responded the
[18:08] latter so Poff agrees with Kirk Patrick
[18:12] he was just there as an observer
[18:14] listening and taking notes not leading
[18:17] the discussion and proclaiming the
[18:19] reality of UFOs as Fugal claims I then
[18:22] reached out again to fugle asking him to
[18:25] confirm clarify or modify his original
[18:29] claims regarding Kirk Patrick at this
[18:31] briefing Fugal did not respond over 12
[18:35] days I sent him multiple emails asking
[18:38] for a response I even sent him a text
[18:41] message if he had any evidence to
[18:43] support his claims I've now given him
[18:45] ample opportunity to provide it but at
[18:48] the time of this video reports
[18:49] publication Fugal still has not
[18:52] responded so given the current evidence
[18:54] it's safe to say that these claims of
[18:56] fugal are unfounded and lacking
[19:00] evidence claim number four Fugal claims
[19:03] this briefing was a skin walker Ranch
[19:06] briefing and only a Skinwalker Ranch
[19:08] briefing Kirk Patrick claims it wasn't
[19:11] saying that the briefing focused instead
[19:14] on oap an independent group that
[19:17] investigated lots of paranormal stuff
[19:20] like skin walker Ranch and UFOs
[19:22] Kirkpatrick says he doesn't even
[19:24] remember the name Skinwalker Ranch being
[19:26] mentioned fact check this is strange
[19:30] because Brandon fugle is the owner of
[19:32] Skinwalker Ranch and he appears to be
[19:34] giving a presentation about Skinwalker
[19:36] Ranch right in front of Kirk Patrick but
[19:40] how put off again who was part of the
[19:42] presenting team told me the purpose of
[19:44] the briefing was to inform some
[19:47] Congressional staffers about the history
[19:49] and future plans for investigating UFOs
[19:53] SL Skinwalker Ranch okay so according to
[19:57] put off skinwalker Branch seems to only
[19:59] have been one of the topics discussed
[20:02] again Kirk Patrick says he was only
[20:04] there as a favor to Kurt mcconell Kirk
[20:07] Patrick was not impressed by the
[20:09] briefing and says he never gave it
[20:11] another thought so it does seem likely
[20:13] that Kirk Patrick when asked about this
[20:16] briefing 6 years later would not
[20:18] necessarily remember all the topics and
[20:21] details discussed so this claim seems to
[20:24] be kind of but not entirely
[20:27] true Kurt m did not reply to my multiple
[20:30] requests for comment the Department of
[20:33] Defense would not let me speak with
[20:35] Brennan mccan who was at the briefing
[20:39] and is still a pentagon employee working
[20:42] in Naval intelligence Department of
[20:44] Defense spokesperson Susan Goff however
[20:47] issued this statement regarding Kirk
[20:49] Patrick's Presence at the 2018 briefing
[20:52] Dr Kirkpatrick had no involvement with
[20:55] Skinwalker Ranch when DOD officials are
[20:57] invited to attend a briefing on a
[20:59] subject that Congress thinks may be of
[21:01] interest to them the officials will
[21:03] usually accept the invitation acceptance
[21:06] of a congressional invitation does not
[21:08] denote confirmation or validation of
[21:11] material presented or discussions held
[21:14] Kirkpatrick offered an updated statement
[21:16] regarding his involvement with UFOs
[21:18] before
[21:19] 2022 saying other than attending one
[21:22] briefing at the request of the Senate
[21:24] armed services Committee in an
[21:26] unofficial capacity I had no official
[21:28] duties regarding UFOs so there you have
[21:32] it an unofficial briefing 6 years ago
[21:35] about some spooky things that seems to
[21:38] have been a bit blown out of proportion
[21:40] and embellished which if you've seen my
[21:43] previous reporting is par for the course
[21:45] for Brandon fugle fugle produces a
[21:48] History Channel show about his
[21:49] Skinwalker Ranch and basically every
[21:52] episode contains exaggerations
[21:55] embellishments and unfounded claims
[21:58] links to all my reporting on Skinwalker
[22:00] Ranch and Brandon fugle are in the
[22:03] description
[22:04] below as for Sean Kirkpatrick we may
[22:07] never hear from him again he is sick and
[22:11] tired of the UFO nonsense telling me I'm
[22:15] refraining from any further interviews
[22:17] on the
[22:18] topic I wish I could say the same

The discussion begins with an assertion that certain advanced technologies and capabilities, which resemble fictional spacecraft, were developed and operated by Americans. The speaker highlights the existence of government cover stories regarding UFOs, suggesting that these narratives were created to obscure the true nature of military operations. This leads to the revelation of a false program related to flying saucers, indicating that the claims made by various whistleblowers about UFOs may have been based on misleading information.

Over the past seven years, numerous UFO whistleblowers have come forward, alleging that the U.S. government is concealing evidence of extraterrestrial life and technology. Previous investigations into these claims have scrutinized the motivations of these whistleblowers, many of whom have testified before Congress about a purported cover-up involving alien technology. In response to these allegations, congressional leaders mandated the establishment of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (Arrow) to investigate these claims thoroughly.

Arrow was tasked with examining the whistleblowers' assertions and determining the existence of aliens. However, accessing sensitive locations like Area 51 requires top-secret clearance, which is tightly controlled by Congress and the President. Arrow was granted significant authority to investigate, and its leadership included experienced individuals like Shawn Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips, who assembled a team of over 40 trusted experts to delve into the claims made by whistleblowers and military witnesses.

In March 2024, Arrow released an unclassified report stating that no evidence of aliens, alien technology, or alien bodies was found. The report suggested that many whistleblowers had been misled by unfounded stories or had misinterpreted human-made technology as alien. Despite the report's conclusions, some whistleblowers continued to advocate for government funding to pursue their claims, indicating a disconnect between the findings of Arrow and the beliefs of these individuals.

It appears that some whistleblowers may have genuinely witnessed phenomena they believed to be extraterrestrial, but they were likely deceived by the government itself. A significant finding from Arrow's investigation revealed that the government had sometimes fabricated UFO stories and images, creating disinformation to obscure its own activities. This included a bizarre hazing ritual within the Air Force, where new personnel were shown fake UFO programs as a joke, leading to widespread misconceptions about the existence of alien technology.

Tim Phillips, a key figure in Arrow, recounted how many officers had unknowingly participated in this prank, believing they were part of a legitimate program. This misinformation contributed to a culture of fear among military personnel, who felt they could face repercussions for discussing what they believed to be real encounters with aliens. The report indicated that thousands of individuals might have been influenced by these fabricated narratives, leading to a persistent urban myth regarding the government's possession of alien technology.

After Phillips raised concerns about the implications of this misinformation, the Pentagon ordered the cessation of the hazing ritual. Although Arrow sought to include these findings in their public report, the Air Force requested that this information be withheld. A Pentagon spokesperson later confirmed that Arrow had uncovered evidence of fake classified programs related to extraterrestrials, which would be addressed in future reports.

The government also employed disinformation tactics to mislead the public, creating fake UFO images to distract from the testing of advanced military aircraft. This strategy aimed to obscure the true nature of operations at locations like Area 51, where real top-secret projects were underway. The discussion emphasizes that while some military officials reported seeing UFOs, many of these sightings could be attributed to advanced human-made technology rather than extraterrestrial craft.

Phillips noted that descriptions of alleged alien spacecraft often matched the characteristics of classified military aircraft. He expressed concern about certain unresolved UFO cases, particularly those occurring over sensitive military areas, indicating that there are still phenomena that remain unexplained. He acknowledged the existence of strange occurrences, such as unidentified flying objects exhibiting unusual flight patterns, which could suggest advanced technology or capabilities that are not yet understood.

In conclusion, the conversation highlights the complexities surrounding UFO sightings and the narratives constructed by both whistleblowers and the government. While some individuals may have genuinely believed they encountered alien technology, the evidence suggests that many of these claims stem from a combination of misinformation, misinterpretation, and the government's own disinformation campaigns. The ongoing investigation into these phenomena continues to raise questions about national security and the potential existence of advanced technologies, whether of human or extraterrestrial origin.

The transcript provided does not mention any specific claims regarding "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," or "psychic summoning." However, it does reference a phrase that captures the imagination: "Klingon death ships." This phrase is used in a metaphorical context to describe advanced military technology that resembles science fiction concepts, particularly in its appearance and capabilities. The speaker emphasizes the extraordinary nature of some of the aircraft developed by the U.S. military, stating, "Some of these things we have, my god, they look like Klingon death ships."

This description serves to highlight the advanced and sometimes mysterious nature of the technology being developed, suggesting that while the public may associate such imagery with science fiction, the reality may be even more fascinating. However, the mention of "Klingon death ships" is not tied to any concrete paranormal events or claims, and no additional details are provided in the transcript regarding any such supernatural phenomena.

• [14:06] "My god, they look like Klingon death ships."

The transcript outlines several instances where the U.S. government created or promoted "fake" UFO evidence. One significant revelation is the existence of fake Special Access Programs (SAPs) used as part of a hazing ritual in the Air Force. According to the interview, new personnel were shown fabricated presentations about supposed secret programs involving UFOs, which included fake images of alien technology. This was described as a prank intended to haze new Air Force personnel, yet it backfired and contributed to the spread of belief in UFOs among those who were unaware of the deception.

Furthermore, the transcript discusses how the military at Area 51 engaged in disinformation campaigns by planting fake UFO images around tourist spots. These actions were designed to mislead the public, making them believe that sightings of UFOs were alien in origin, rather than the result of advanced U.S. military technology. The speaker notes, "the US Air Force planted fake alien spaceship photos at various tourist locations outside the base."

This strategy was part of a broader effort to protect the secrecy of military projects, as the transcript reveals that the government used UFO cover stories to divert attention from advanced aircraft being developed, such as sixth-generation aircraft. The intention was to create confusion about what was truly being tested in sensitive military areas.

• [06:00] "Some of the UFO whistleblowers who claim the government has a secret alien UFO program had actually been exposed to a fake program that was a prank to haze new Air Force personnel."
• [10:45] "The US Air Force planted fake alien spaceship photos at various tourist locations outside the base."

The transcript does not explicitly mention any specific government programs by name such as AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program), AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program), or AARO (All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office). However, it describes the establishment of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), mandated by Congress to investigate claims of UFO sightings and the existence of aliens. The office was tasked with determining the validity of various whistleblower claims about UFOs and alien technology.

Additionally, the transcript discusses the funding associated with paranormal claims, specifically referencing Senator Harry Reid's involvement in securing $22 million for investigations into UFOs. This money was intended for research into unexplained phenomena, and it was suggested that it was directed towards Robert Bigelow, a known figure in the UFO research community. The speaker notes, "the government is hiding the existence of aliens and alien technology."

While the transcript provides context for the purpose of these inquiries—investigating potential threats and ensuring national security—it does not detail the specific outcomes or findings of these programs. As such, the actual details regarding the effectiveness or the results of the funding streams remain unspecified in the provided text.

• [01:02] "...the US government is hiding the existence of aliens and alien technology."
• [04:20] "Despite the conclusive Arrow report, which debunks many of their claims..."

The interaction between "True Believers" and U.S. government institutions, such as Congress and the Pentagon, is characterized in the transcript as complex and often contentious. The speaker discusses how certain UFO whistleblowers, who are described as having religious beliefs in the existence of UFOs, have managed to persuade sympathetic members of Congress to continue funding investigations into these claims despite contradictory evidence from official sources. The idea is that the 2017 New York Times article, which brought significant attention to UFO phenomena, acted as a "domino" effect that led Congress to overlook official data.

This phenomenon suggests that sensational claims, fueled by media coverage, can influence legislative priorities and funding decisions. The whistleblowers' steadfast belief in the existence of aliens persists even when faced with evidence to the contrary, as noted in the transcript: "many of these UFO whistleblowers are true religious believers who are unfazed by facts and evidence to the contrary."

Moreover, the speaker implies that this group of believers has infiltrated the government to some extent, leading to continued interest and funding for investigations despite the lack of credible evidence supporting their claims. This situation raises questions about the influence of personal beliefs on policymaking and resource allocation in government institutions.

• [04:12] "...many of these UFO whistleblowers are true religious believers who are unfazed by facts and evidence to the contrary."
• [04:31] "Why do some members of Congress continue to spend taxpayer resources on these claims?"

The transcript does not provide specific mundane or technological explanations for famous UFO sightings such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, or thermal imaging glare. However, it does touch upon the phenomenon of misinterpretations among military personnel regarding advanced technology. The speaker indicates that many military officials who reported seeing UFOs might have observed human-made technology and misinterpreted it as alien spacecraft due to their lack of being read into relevant programs or their limited exposure to what they were witnessing.

For instance, the transcript mentions that descriptions from multiple military witnesses matched top-secret human-made aircraft being tested by the military. The speaker states, "the descriptions were amazing... it was amazing. And I understand why they would leap to those conclusions." This implies that the initial observations were simply advanced technologies developed by the military rather than extraterrestrial craft.

Additionally, the document suggests that the military was aware of the potential for such misinterpretations and that the use of disinformation and fake images was partly a tactic to obfuscate ongoing projects. However, it does not specifically mention the mundane objects like party balloons or Chinese spycraft that are typically referenced in UFO debunking discussions.

• [12:43] "...the descriptions of alien craft from multiple military witnesses ended up matching top secret human-made aircraft being tested by the military."
• [12:31] "...you could make the assumption that it wasn’t invented by humans."

[00:00] I don't think this has gone public yet,
[00:02] but those technologies and amazing
[00:05] capabilities were designed by Americans
[00:07] and built, manufactured, and flown by
[00:10] Americans.
[00:11] Some of these things we have, my god,
[00:14] they look like cling on death ships.
[00:16] Absolutely amazing. There was a lot of
[00:20] misbehavior by our government. We built
[00:23] these UFO cover stories to protect what
[00:26] we were really doing. Just so I get it
[00:28] and I comprehend this. There was a fake
[00:31] program that was a flying saucer alien
[00:34] program. Yeah. There was a false special
[00:37] access program. It wasn't real. And
[00:40] you're saying that sums up what these
[00:42] whistleblowers have actually seen.
[00:46] Exactly.
[00:51] Over the last seven years, you've
[00:53] probably seen news headlines about
[00:54] multiple UFO whistleblowers who have
[00:57] come forward to claim that the US
[00:59] government is hiding the existence of
[01:02] aliens and alien technology.
[01:05] My previous reporting investigated some
[01:07] of these UFO whistleblowers and
[01:09] activists who want the government to
[01:12] spend taxpayer resources on their
[01:14] paranormal claims. Some of them
[01:17] testified under oath before Congress
[01:20] that there is a real cover up of secret
[01:23] government programs involving real
[01:25] aliens and alien technology.
[01:29] Mystified by these claims, in 2022,
[01:32] congressional leaders like Senator
[01:34] Kirstston Gillibrand and then Senator
[01:37] Marco Rubio mandated by law the creation
[01:41] of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution
[01:43] Office or Arrow.
[01:46] Arrow was asked to look into the claims
[01:48] of these whistleblowers and to find if
[01:51] these aliens actually exist. But you
[01:54] can't just walk into Area 51, for
[01:57] example, and start looking around in the
[02:00] basement. Not just anyone can do that.
[02:03] You need special top secret authorities
[02:06] and permissions controlled by Congress
[02:08] and the office of the president of the
[02:10] United States. So Arrow was given Title
[02:14] 10 and Title 50 authorities, which in
[02:18] layman's terms means they had the keys
[02:20] to the entire top secret kingdom. But
[02:24] who was Congress going to give the keys
[02:26] to? It needed to be individuals with
[02:29] impeccable resumes, impressive
[02:31] experience, and reputations for being
[02:34] trustworthy and reliable. The keys went
[02:37] to Shawn Kirkpatre, a Pentagon
[02:40] scientist, and Tim Phillips, a 40-year
[02:43] veteran of military and intelligence
[02:45] operations.
[02:47] Kirkpatrick and Phillips brought in a
[02:49] team of over 40 trusted people. Arrow
[02:52] then interviewed the UFO whistleblowers
[02:55] and other military witnesses in a
[02:57] classified setting to get their full
[03:00] stories. With Kirkpatrick and Phillips
[03:02] at the tip of the spear, they went out
[03:05] and tracked down the source of each and
[03:07] every one of these claims about the
[03:09] government hiding aliens. In March 2024,
[03:13] Arrow released an unclassified report of
[03:16] their findings to the public. After
[03:19] talking to everyone and looking
[03:21] everywhere, Arrow states they found no
[03:24] aliens, no alien technology, and no
[03:28] alien bodies. The unclassified report
[03:32] states these whistleblowers had mostly
[03:34] become convinced that aliens were real
[03:37] because of unfounded or false stories,
[03:40] or in some cases, they misinterpreted
[03:43] real human-made technology for alien
[03:46] technology. After the report was
[03:49] released, I interviewed Sean Kirkpatre
[03:52] about Arrow's findings. Kirkpatre says
[03:55] many of these UFO whistleblowers are
[03:57] true religious believers who are unfased
[04:01] by facts and evidence to the contrary.
[04:05] Despite the conclusive Arrow report,
[04:07] which debunks many of their claims, this
[04:10] religious group of whistleblowers and
[04:12] activists, went on to convince
[04:14] sympathetic members of Congress to
[04:17] continue spending taxpayer resources to
[04:20] look for the aliens that Arrow says
[04:23] don't exist.
[04:25] So, what's going on here? Why do some
[04:28] members of Congress continue to spend
[04:31] taxpayer resources on these claims?
[04:34] Well, as it turns out, some of these
[04:37] whistleblowers probably did witness
[04:40] something real, but they were
[04:42] intentionally deceived. What the public
[04:45] really hasn't heard yet is that there
[04:48] were several key details kept out of the
[04:51] Arrow report, secrets that the military
[04:54] did not want the public to know. Well,
[04:57] now those secrets are coming out. A
[05:00] bombshell Wall Street Journal
[05:02] investigation reveals that when Arrow
[05:05] went looking for the original source of
[05:07] these UFO stories about the government
[05:09] hiding aliens, they discovered that in
[05:13] many instances, the source was the
[05:16] government itself, creating fake UFO
[05:19] images and fake UFO programs. Because we
[05:23] were saying, how did this myth get
[05:25] started? Well, maybe it was something
[05:27] that was used by the government to kind
[05:29] of conceal what we were really doing. I
[05:32] interviewed Tim Phillips, who, as I
[05:35] previously mentioned, was the deputy
[05:37] director and at one point the acting
[05:39] director of Arrow. Phillips recently
[05:42] left Arrow and spoke to me on the
[05:44] record. He says in the classified
[05:47] version of the arrow report is the
[05:49] discovery that the US government was
[05:51] sometimes the source creator and
[05:54] promoter of false UFO stories. For
[05:57] example, some of the UFO whistleblowers
[06:00] who claim the government has a secret
[06:02] alien UFO program had actually been
[06:05] exposed to a fake program that was a
[06:08] prank to Hayes new Air Force personnel.
[06:12] I don't think this has gone public yet,
[06:14] but there were some embarrassing things
[06:16] that we discovered and we had a lot of
[06:18] people, high-ranking people very very um
[06:22] concerned and very sensitive that it
[06:25] could just bring discredit upon their
[06:27] agency or their service. How so? So,
[06:29] what do you mean embarrassing? How?
[06:32] Well, as you know, there was a false UAP
[06:36] program. It was a an incident that
[06:38] started out in the Air Force. It was a
[06:41] anti-g anti-gravity motor that was
[06:46] developed from you, you know, alien um
[06:49] crash retrieval. It was hazing. It was a
[06:52] joke. It wasn't real. Arrow discovered
[06:54] that for decades, the US Air Force had a
[06:57] bizarre hazing ritual. When new people
[07:00] were brought in to manage top secret Air
[07:02] Force offices, they were first given a
[07:05] presentation about a secret program that
[07:08] dealt with UFOs. And they were shown
[07:10] images of what the presenters claimed
[07:13] was alien technology. You would you
[07:16] would have been knocked your shocks your
[07:18] socks off to look at the you know the
[07:20] alien space and the craft and the the
[07:22] way they did it was a Hollywood produced
[07:24] stuff. It was great. But Arrow
[07:26] discovered that the images in the whole
[07:28] program was fake, a prank and part of a
[07:32] hazing ritual. What happened is for
[07:36] decades you probably had thousands of
[07:39] officers who never knew that was a fake
[07:43] sap and it got out into the wild and it
[07:45] was you had a generation of officers
[07:49] that were briefed into this UFO
[07:52] exploitation program and didn't know it
[07:55] was just a joke or hazing. Philip says
[07:58] he interviewed many of these officers
[08:01] who had never been told that what they
[08:03] saw was fake. Some of them still remain
[08:07] scared to death. I'll tell you from
[08:09] talking to some of the witnesses there
[08:12] there was real fear,
[08:15] you know, that what they saw or observed
[08:18] they would be harmed if they shared that
[08:20] with us. No, they were scared to death
[08:24] and paranoid about and we're just trying
[08:26] to understand the truth. And these
[08:29] people had sincere beliefs that there
[08:32] was some covert black cop, you know,
[08:35] that if they revealed the truth about
[08:36] aliens, now someone's going to go out
[08:38] there and eliminate that. So some these
[08:40] witnesses that was real. These witnesses
[08:43] are coming to you in their heart of
[08:45] hearts convinced that they've seen
[08:47] something alien and in their heart of
[08:48] hearts convinced truly that they were
[08:51] risking their lives talking to you guys.
[08:53] Some individuals. Yes. Philip says he
[08:55] had to take this damning discovery to
[08:58] the director of national intelligence,
[08:59] Averil Haynes. And she said,"Tim," he
[09:02] says, "Could this, you know, fake SAP be
[09:06] the basis for this persistent urban myth
[09:10] that the government has recovered and
[09:13] reverse engineered alien technology?"
[09:15] She said, "Have you done a damage
[09:17] assessment? How many people believe that
[09:19] to be true?" And I said, "Ma'am, I I
[09:22] don't know, but we estimate thousands."
[09:25] After Philip sounded the alarm, the
[09:27] Pentagon ordered the Air Force to shut
[09:29] down this bizarre hazing ritual in 2023.
[09:33] Arrow wanted to include this shocking
[09:35] discovery in their public report, but
[09:37] the Air Force requested that they hold
[09:39] off. It was ultimately not included. A
[09:43] Pentagon spokesperson acknowledged that
[09:45] quote, "Arow had uncovered evidence of
[09:48] fake classified program materials
[09:50] relating to extraterrestrials and stated
[09:52] this information would be included in
[09:55] Arrow's next public report. But these
[09:58] pranked and hazed Air Force officials
[10:00] weren't the only victims of fake UFO
[10:02] images produced and promoted by the
[10:05] government. US citizens were also
[10:08] targeted with government UFO
[10:09] disinformation. The government created
[10:12] fake UFO images to trick the public into
[10:16] thinking what they were seeing in the
[10:17] sky was alien and not actually their top
[10:20] secret aircraft. I don't think this has
[10:23] gone public yet, but there was a lot of
[10:26] misbehavior by our government. Early on,
[10:29] we built these UFO cover stories to
[10:32] protect what we were really doing. For
[10:34] example, Philip says Arrow found that
[10:37] the military at Area 51 created UFO
[10:40] images that were then leaked to UFO
[10:43] believers in the public for the purpose
[10:45] of muddying the waters and concealing
[10:48] non-alien top secret aircraft at Area
[10:51] 51. I was present in the skiff when we
[10:54] had a retired Air Force flag officer who
[10:57] worked out at Area 51
[11:00] um was asked by force protection to
[11:03] provide a portfolio of photos
[11:07] um of
[11:10] traditional alien UFOs operating being
[11:13] filmed at Area 51. and he delivered them
[11:16] to one of the UFO bars outside the gate
[11:19] out on the east side. Because tourists
[11:21] were often going to Area 51 to look for
[11:24] UFOs, the US Air Force planted fake
[11:28] alien spaceship photos at various
[11:30] tourist locations outside the base. They
[11:33] wanted people to think what they saw
[11:35] above Area 51 was alien and not the real
[11:38] top secret project that was being
[11:40] tested. We actually did that many years
[11:43] ago. our government did that. But not
[11:45] all military UFO whistleblowers claimed
[11:48] to have just seen photos or videos of
[11:51] UFOs. Some of the military officials
[11:54] interviewed by Arrow claimed they
[11:56] actually saw alien spacecraft with their
[11:59] own eyes at top secret military bases.
[12:03] What we discovered is often these people
[12:06] were not read into the programs. they
[12:08] had secondhand knowledge or they were
[12:11] lawfully present at a test site. The guy
[12:15] was a forklift operator. He looks off
[12:17] and he sees something amazing and based
[12:21] off their education. Okay. um their life
[12:25] experience and their personal beliefs.
[12:28] You see that amazing demonstration of a
[12:31] new technology and depend on your
[12:33] background, you could make the
[12:35] assumption that it wasn't invented by
[12:38] humans. Phillips says the descriptions
[12:40] of alien craft from multiple military
[12:43] witnesses ended up matching top secret
[12:46] humanmade aircraft being tested by the
[12:49] military. Their descriptions were
[12:52] amazing. They were right on. And then
[12:54] when we would go back to the historical
[12:57] archive or get the test director and
[12:59] look at the video or read the report, it
[13:02] was amazing. And I understand why they
[13:05] would leap to those conclusions. But
[13:08] those technologies and amazing
[13:09] capabilities were designed by Americans
[13:12] and built, manufactured, and flown by
[13:14] Americans. Philip says he was able to go
[13:17] to Area 51 and witness these top secret
[13:20] aircraft himself after concerns that the
[13:23] secret of their existence had leaked to
[13:26] the public. We thought there was a
[13:28] compromise of what our national security
[13:30] program the sixth generation aircraft
[13:32] and this very very senior uh senator
[13:35] says look I want you to research this
[13:37] this really concerns me and he had asked
[13:39] me if I had been out to Nevada to the
[13:41] Nevada uh test site. So, we went through
[13:45] I got read into the Air Force uh SAPS
[13:48] dealing with um new advanced uh
[13:51] spacecraft and aircraft went out there
[13:55] and some of these things we have if
[14:00] you just a guy off the street got out
[14:02] there and saw these things fly or
[14:04] touched one in a hanger. My god, they
[14:06] look like cling on death
[14:09] Absolutely amazing. And you're saying
[14:12] that that sums up a lot of what these
[14:15] whistleblowers have actually seen. O is
[14:20] right. Exactly. But there are still
[14:23] mysteries out there. A small number of
[14:26] UFO cases remain unsolved and very
[14:30] strange. Phillips is concerned about
[14:32] these cases since many of them occur
[14:35] over sensitive US military locations. a
[14:39] small percentage of those cases,
[14:40] probably less than 40, we don't know
[14:42] what it is. We can measure it. We know
[14:45] it's there. Um, it shouldn't be there,
[14:48] and we want to know what it is, and
[14:50] we're taking every step to understand
[14:52] that phenomena. Well, Tim, maybe maybe
[14:54] it's aliens. Who know? Well, again,
[14:58] until we have evidence, I'm not going to
[14:59] go there. There are, you know, there are
[15:01] some phenomenas out there we we just
[15:03] don't understand. you know the
[15:06] especially have you heard of the the
[15:08] fiery orbs? Oh yeah. That when we start
[15:12] seeing like a corona or a discharge, a
[15:15] plasma discharge and when we've had some
[15:18] of these really really strange events
[15:22] from the reports of the security
[15:25] personnel on site, these devices
[15:29] attempted to con they're attempting to
[15:32] conceal themselves. In one case, when uh
[15:36] a truck from mainside was coming out
[15:39] onto the range, this device stopped,
[15:42] hovered, went off the road, and turned
[15:44] its freaking lights off. Now, to me,
[15:48] that tells me there's a human in the
[15:49] loop or on the loop because it was an
[15:52] alien that could care less. That's not
[15:54] what happened. Okay. Now, that there's
[15:58] some strange stuff going on there. Out
[16:00] of all the cases you saw and observed, I
[16:02] what was the one that
[16:04] confused you the most and still confuses
[16:07] you that you're just not sure what the
[16:08] heck? Is it the plasma ball? What what
[16:10] what was it that something that struck
[16:12] you as particularly strange? You know,
[16:15] the uh the black triangles.
[16:19] The seriously, the black triangles.
[16:21] Yeah. Black triangles are a common
[16:24] description of reported UFOs within the
[16:28] UFO community. There are many popular
[16:30] stories about spooky black triangles
[16:32] performing in paranormal ways. In fact,
[16:37] I myself saw a black triangle UFO in
[16:40] 2003 and it was pretty impressive. And
[16:44] obviously, the military has their own
[16:46] flying black triangles that at one point
[16:49] they tried to keep secret. But Philip
[16:51] says the black triangles he saw
[16:54] concerned him. He thinks they could be
[16:56] high-tech aircraft being flown by a
[16:59] foreign adversary.
[17:01] There there were some uh reports from
[17:03] credible people um where they saw
[17:07] something and they saw a flying vehicle
[17:10] triangular in shape. Um
[17:14] trans, you know, it
[17:16] it it
[17:18] just good performance coming off it. Uh
[17:21] not a not a huge acoustic sound. uh not
[17:24] a lot of heat picking up you they can
[17:26] pick off their flares. I want to know
[17:28] what it is because I think it's a uh
[17:32] an adversary, you know, capability. I I
[17:35] don't I I think it comes from this
[17:37] world, not aliens. And when we got
[17:40] reports of the black triangles, that's
[17:42] something that really pricks my ears and
[17:44] I want to know more. With these black
[17:46] triangles though on your end, are you
[17:49] looking at them? Are you looking at
[17:50] photos, videos, or are you just reading
[17:52] a a report?
[17:55] All of the above. Seriously? Yeah. A
[17:58] little bit of everything. Yeah. There
[18:01] there are there are things that we, like
[18:02] I said, there's a small percentage of
[18:05] the cases that we have unusual, you
[18:08] know, flight characteristics and
[18:10] performance or anomalies that we don't
[18:12] understand. And that's where you have
[18:13] that this potentially disruptive
[18:15] technology or emerging technology that
[18:18] we need to understand. There are some
[18:19] spooky things and places they shouldn't
[18:21] be with performance characteristics that
[18:24] we couldn't duplicate today. So, what is
[18:27] it? I don't know what it is, but we're
[18:29] going to find out. Wow. Well, I don't
[18:32] know what's scarier. If it's China or
[18:34] it's Martians, you know?

Introduction to the Paranormal Believers in Government

The video begins by introducing a group of individuals within the U.S. government who are fervent believers in the paranormal, claiming to have had encounters with UFOs, ghosts, psychic phenomena, and even Bigfoot. This group has been active for decades, with some viewing them as crusaders for truth while others dismiss them as delusional. The narrator presents a dilemma: either these individuals are genuinely uncovering hidden truths, or they are occupying significant government positions while holding irrational beliefs.

Government Funding for Paranormal Investigations

Over the past seven years, many UFO-related news stories have originated from this group, comprised of former and current government employees who have pursued paranormal investigations funded by taxpayer dollars. Despite extensive investigations that have debunked many of their claims, the group persists in their belief that the truth is out there, seeking continued financial support for their endeavors.

Project Stargate: The CIA's Psychic Soldier Program

In the 1970s, the CIA initiated a secret program called Project Stargate, which allocated $20 million to develop psychic soldiers aimed at countering the Soviet threat during the Cold War. This program included various military officials and self-proclaimed psychics, notably magician Uri Geller, who claimed to possess mind-bending abilities. The program's absurdity, including attempts to kill goats through mere staring, led to its termination in 1995, as the CIA deemed it a waste of resources.

Skinwalker Ranch: A New Source of Funding

Following the closure of Project Stargate, paranormal enthusiasts found a new benefactor in billionaire Robert Bigelow, who hired them to investigate his allegedly haunted Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. The claims emerging from this investigation were extraordinary, featuring bulletproof werewolves, UFO sightings, and bizarre creatures. However, the investigators failed to provide any substantial evidence, relying instead on anecdotal accounts and a book available for purchase online.

Senator Harry Reid's Involvement

Senator Harry Reid, a known believer in the paranormal and a friend of Bigelow, facilitated a $22 million funding initiative for further paranormal investigations at Skinwalker Ranch. Reid's approach to securing funding was to obscure the true nature of the project, presenting it as standard military aerospace spending. This lack of transparency allowed the funding to proceed without public scrutiny.

The Pentagon Ghostbusters: A New Era of Paranormal Investigation

With government funding secured, a new team of investigators, dubbed the "Pentagon Ghostbusters," was dispatched to Skinwalker Ranch. They claimed to encounter various supernatural phenomena, including new entities that were documented in another evidence-free book. One notable incident involved a Pentagon contractor encountering a hybrid creature described as a "dino beaver," which allegedly haunted a female official after their encounter.

The Mystery of JW: Uncovering Identities

The narrative introduces a mysterious female Pentagon official referred to as "JW," who was involved in the paranormal investigations. Through research, the narrator identifies JW as Jessica Wyatt, a division chief at the Defense Intelligence Agency. Despite attempts to contact her for comment, Wyatt remained unresponsive, although her social media connections suggest ongoing relationships with other paranormal investigators.

Personal Accounts of Paranormal Experiences

Several individuals associated with the Pentagon's paranormal investigations shared their own eerie experiences. Jay Stratton, a decorated Marine, recounted an incident on Skinwalker Ranch where he and fellow Marines felt an overwhelming fear that prevented them from crossing a shadow. Other accounts included sightings of dark humanoid figures and claims of being stalked by supernatural creatures.

Congressional Oversight and Funding Withdrawal

As reports of paranormal activities reached the Pentagon, officials expressed shock and outrage over the misuse of taxpayer funds. This led to the withdrawal of funding in 2010, and by 2012, the entire paranormal program was shut down.

The Tic-Tac UFO Incident and Continued Advocacy

The video discusses the infamous Tic-Tac UFO incident involving Navy pilots, which garnered significant media attention. Notably, one of the pilots, Alex Dietrich, is connected to the same group of paranormal investigators. The narrative suggests that the media's portrayal of these incidents has contributed to ongoing advocacy for increased government resources for UFO investigations.

Government's Role in UFO Narratives

The video highlights a Wall Street Journal report indicating that the U.S. government has, at times, fabricated UFO stories to obscure its own advanced technologies. This revelation raises questions about the motivations behind the government's engagement with paranormal believers and the potential implications for national security.

Conclusion: The Ongoing Search for Truth

In conclusion, the video paints a complex picture of a rogue group within the U.S. government that continues to pursue paranormal investigations despite a lack of credible evidence. The intertwining of personal beliefs, government funding, and media narratives creates a compelling yet troubling scenario, suggesting that the quest for truth in the realm of the supernatural remains an ongoing and contentious issue.

The transcript outlines several extraordinary claims made by a group of paranormal investigators associated with the U.S. government. Among these claims are descriptions of fantastical creatures and supernatural events. For instance, one notable claim involves the existence of bulletproof werewolves that supposedly cannot be harmed, no matter the number of gunshots fired at them. Additionally, there is a mention of a peculiar creature referred to as a dinosaur beaver, which is described as a half beaver and half dinosaur that allegedly walked past a Pentagon contractor during an investigation on Skinwalker Ranch.

In another instance, the transcript discusses the concept of psychic summoning where individuals purportedly believe they can use mental powers to attract UFOs. This notion reflects a broader belief among certain paranormal enthusiasts that psychic abilities could be harnessed to engage with extraterrestrial phenomena. Importantly, the transcript does not mention any Klingon death ships or similar references, indicating that such details are absent from this account.

These claims, while sensational, are presented without substantiation, and the speaker emphasizes the lack of credible evidence supporting them. The presentation of such bizarre creatures and events serves to highlight the often unverified and speculative nature of the narratives that circulate within the realm of paranormal investigations.

• [03:34] 'Bulletproof werewolves that couldn’t be killed no matter how many times they shot it.'
• [07:13] 'In a moonlit field, Keller claims they encountered a half beaver, half dinosaur creature.'
• [21:30] 'One idea was to use psychic powers to summon the UFOs.'

The transcript provides insights into how the government has allegedly engaged in creating or promoting false UFO evidence. It mentions that the government has been involved in creating fake UFO images and spreading rumors about extraterrestrial encounters. This tactic was reportedly used to divert attention from sensitive, top-secret military technology. The speaker cites a Wall Street Journal report indicating that these fabricated stories were designed to mislead the public and officials about the true nature of certain military operations, thus acting as a veil over classified activities.

Additionally, the transcript refers to instances where fake Special Access Programs were established, purportedly as hazing rituals within the government. This suggests a culture where the absurdity of paranormal claims was not only tolerated but integrated into certain clandestine operations. However, specific details regarding the mechanics of these programs or any explicit examples of hazing rituals are not provided in the transcript.

Moreover, it is mentioned that the government utilized UFO cover stories to protect advancements in sixth-generation aircraft technology. This implies a deliberate effort to distract from and obscure real military advancements by feeding into the public's fascination with UFOs. Such tactics raise questions about the integrity of information disseminated by government officials and the extent to which they may have exploited public interest in the paranormal.

• [24:06] 'The report says the government created fake UFO images and promoted rumors about aliens to cover up their own top secret humanmade technology.'
• [22:54] 'In 2023, then Senator Marco Rubio told Fox News, "Either they’re telling the truth, and that is something that obviously would be the biggest story in human history..."'
• [24:33] 'We built these UFO cover stories to protect what we were really doing.'

In the transcript, several government programs and funding initiatives are highlighted, particularly focusing on their intended purposes and the context in which they were established. Notably, a significant mention is made of the $22 million funding acquired by Senator Harry Reid. This funding was directed to his associate, Robert Bigelow, to explore various paranormal phenomena at Bigelow's Skinwalker Ranch, which is known for its claims of supernatural occurrences.

The transcript hints at the broader framework of government interest in UFOs and the paranormal, referencing programs such as Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program). These programs were ostensibly established to investigate aerial threats, including unidentified flying objects, although the details regarding their specific missions and findings are not extensively detailed in the transcript.

Moreover, the speaker emphasizes that the funding obtained by Reid was not explicitly detailed to Congress as being for paranormal investigations. Instead, it was presented under the guise of military aerospace expenditures, which obscured its true purpose from the broader legislative body. This lack of transparency raises concerns about accountability and the ethical implications of government funding directed toward fringe science.

• [05:01] 'Reid acquired 22 million taxpayer dollars and gave it to his buddy Bigalow to hunt spooky things at his spooky ranch.'
• [19:40] 'Brown says he was one of the Pentagon task force analysts who determined that the objects in this US Navy video were flying pyramids.'
• [22:30] 'Members of Congress were notified of its existence... assured that they never actually did anything.'

The interaction between the group of 'True Believers' in paranormal phenomena and U.S. government institutions is characterized by a complex relationship marked by both intrigue and skepticism. The transcript suggests that there exists a 'UFO religion' within the government, where certain officials have a genuine belief in paranormal activities, including UFOs and other supernatural occurrences. This belief system seems to have infiltrated various levels of the Pentagon, leading to actions that some may consider irrational or unscientific.

One significant event that catalyzed government action was a 2017 New York Times article that reported on UFO sightings and encounters by military personnel. The speaker notes that this article acted as a 'domino' effect, prompting Congress to respond to public interest and pressure to investigate UFO phenomena. As a result, congressional focus shifted from official, data-backed assessments to sensational claims made by individuals within this rogue group.

Furthermore, the transcript indicates that Senator Reid played a crucial role in obtaining funding for the paranormal investigations while downplaying the nature of the activities being funded. This maneuvering illustrates how the interests of a small group could influence larger governmental actions without a thorough understanding or endorsement from the broader congressional body. The overlapping interests between these 'True Believers' and government institutions raise critical questions about the integrity and motives behind the funding and legitimacy of the programs instituted.

• [23:20] 'After retiring from the Pentagon, Kirk Patrick stated that there is a zealous paranormal religion inside the US government.'
• [16:07] 'Because of the onslaught of media coverage caused by the Times story... Congress put pressure on the Pentagon to look into UFOs.'
• [05:32] 'Reid simply didn’t mention any of that.'

The transcript addresses the need for mundane or technological explanations regarding some of the most famous UFO sightings, particularly emphasizing a scientific approach to understanding these phenomena. For instance, it mentions how certain objects in Navy videos, which were initially perceived as unidentified flying objects, were later debunked as out of focus stars. This explanation highlights the importance of considering optical effects when evaluating UFO sightings.

In the context of the tic-tac UFO incident, the transcript suggests that the appearances of these objects could be attributed to parallax illusions, which occur when an object is viewed from different angles, creating the illusion of movement or shape. Additionally, it mentions how the triangular shape of some flying objects could have been a result of the triangular camera iris used in capturing the footage, rather than indicating a sophisticated alien technology.

Moreover, the transcript references the potential for sightings of mundane objects, such as party balloons or even Chinese spycraft, to be misidentified as UFOs. These explanations serve to ground the discussion in reality, reminding the audience that not all reported unidentified flying objects can be classified as extraterrestrial encounters.

• [19:44] 'The objects in the video are actually just out of focus stars and only look triangular because the camera had a triangular iris.'
• [22:31] 'This rogue program never got that far. It was discovered and shut down.'
• [14:35] 'The objects in the video were later debunked.'

[00:00] The following
[00:02] is a true story.
[00:05] Believe it
[00:07] or not,
[00:09] a rogue group of paranormal true
[00:12] believers inside the US government claim
[00:16] they've had close encounters with UFOs,
[00:21] ghosts,
[00:23] psychic powers,
[00:25] Bigfoot.
[00:27] For decades, they've been trying to find
[00:30] a supernatural truth. Some say they're
[00:33] crusaders that will change the world.
[00:37] Others say they could simply be crazy.
[00:40] Either they're telling the truth or we
[00:43] have people in really important
[00:44] positions of government who are crazy.
[00:47] I have uncovered new government
[00:49] documents that reveal more shocking
[00:51] stories about this group who I call
[00:59] [Music]
[01:07] If you've seen a news story about UFOs
[01:09] over the last 7 years, chances are that
[01:12] story came from someone in this group.
[01:15] Many of them either worked in the US
[01:17] government or for the US government and
[01:20] have been hunting the paranormal on the
[01:22] taxpayers's dime. In some cases, for
[01:26] many decades, I've spent the last few
[01:28] years investigating this group, and I've
[01:31] debunked many of their wild stories and
[01:34] claims. Beyond some spooky stories,
[01:36] there appears to be nothing. But despite
[01:40] this complete lack of evidence, this
[01:42] group continues to passionately push
[01:45] forward, faithfully believing that the
[01:47] truth is out there, and they want
[01:50] American tax dollars to fund their
[01:52] crusade.
[01:53] [Music]
[02:01] In the 1970s, the CIA created a secret
[02:04] $20 million program called Project
[02:07] Stargate. The goal was to create psychic
[02:10] soldiers to fight the Soviet Union
[02:12] during the Cold War. The secret
[02:14] paranormal program was made up of
[02:17] various military officials, a bunch of
[02:20] claimed psychics, and soon-to-be world
[02:22] famous magician Uri Geller, who claimed
[02:25] he could bend spoons with his mind. You
[02:28] may have heard about this from the
[02:29] famous book and movie, The Men Who Stare
[02:33] at Goats. That's the title, because one
[02:35] of the many wacky things they did was
[02:38] try to literally kill goats just by
[02:41] staring at them. And yes, that is George
[02:44] Clooney. But ultimately in 1995, this
[02:48] $20 million paranormal government
[02:50] program was shut down after the CIA
[02:54] determined it was a waste of time and
[02:56] money because surprise surprise, psychic
[03:00] powers aren't real.
[03:02] [Music]
[03:10] That same year, 1995, these paranormal
[03:13] true believers quickly found a new
[03:15] source of funding. Real estate
[03:18] billionaire Robert Bigalow, a paranormal
[03:20] enthusiast. Bigalow hired them to
[03:23] investigate his supposedly haunted ranch
[03:25] in Utah, which is now known as
[03:27] Skinwalker Ranch. The things that some
[03:30] of these paranormal hunters claim
[03:32] happened at Skinwalker Ranch are
[03:34] mindblowing.
[03:36] Bulletproof werewolves that couldn't be
[03:38] killed no matter how many times they
[03:40] shot it. Flying saucers landing in the
[03:44] backyard. Flying saucers and Bigfoot
[03:48] showing up at the same time. Dogs in
[03:52] trench coats standing on two legs and
[03:54] smoking cigarettes. and my personal
[03:57] favorite, the literal alien from the
[04:01] movie Predator running around causing
[04:04] havoc. Naturally, these supernatural
[04:07] investigators never presented any proof
[04:10] of any of this except, of course, for an
[04:13] evidence-free book for sale on Amazon
[04:16] for $13.
[04:18] By the way, I went out to Skinwalker
[04:21] Ranch myself and looked everywhere. I
[04:24] even spent the night there. I didn't see
[04:27] anything paranormal whatsoever.
[04:31] Absence of evidence notwithstanding,
[04:33] these ghost hunters soon attracted the
[04:35] interest of US Senator Harry Reid, a
[04:39] lifelong member of the Mormon church and
[04:42] a self-professed believer in paranormal
[04:45] phenomena. More importantly, Reed was a
[04:49] friend to Robert Bigalow, the owner of
[04:52] Skinwalker Ranch. and Bigalow had
[04:55] donated money, often to Senator Reid's
[04:58] reelection campaigns. In 2008, Reed
[05:01] acquired 22 million taxpayer dollars and
[05:05] gave it to his buddy Bigalow to hunt
[05:08] spooky things at his spooky ranch. This
[05:11] time with the resources of the US
[05:13] government. Now, you may be wondering,
[05:16] how did Senator Reid convince the rest
[05:19] of the United States Congress to give up
[05:22] millions of dollars for a super sketchy
[05:25] alien ghost adventure? Well, Reed simply
[05:28] didn't mention any of that. Here is the
[05:32] actual $22 million program Reed helped
[05:35] set up. There are no mentions of UFOs,
[05:39] ghosts, or any paranormal spooky things.
[05:43] just normal boilerplate military
[05:45] aerospace stuff that the government
[05:48] normally spends money on. As such, no
[05:51] one outside of this one rogue group of
[05:54] ghost hunters knew at the time what the
[05:57] money was actually going to be spent on.
[06:00] So, with millions of taxpayer dollars in
[06:02] the bank, a fresh new group of Pentagon
[06:05] Ghostbusters flew out to Skinwalker
[06:08] Ranch to meet up with the OG Pentagon
[06:10] Ghostbusters. and together they went out
[06:13] to look for spooky things. They later
[06:16] released another evidence-free book for
[06:19] sale on Amazon for $19. In the book,
[06:23] they claimed they encountered the same
[06:25] things as the first book. UFOs, wolf
[06:29] monsters, poltergeist activity, etc. But
[06:33] this time they claimed there were new
[06:36] creepy things haunting the ranch.
[06:46] The story goes like this. One night in
[06:49] 2009 on Skinwalker Ranch, Pentagon
[06:52] contractor Cole Keller went out to look
[06:54] for spooky things with a female Pentagon
[06:57] official. In a moonlit field, Keller
[07:00] claims they encountered a half beaver,
[07:04] half dinosaur creature. It walked slowly
[07:08] past them and then disappeared. The
[07:11] female Pentagon official was allegedly
[07:13] so shaken from this dino Bieber
[07:15] experience that she asked a skinwalker
[07:18] security guard to remain outside her
[07:20] room for the rest of the night. This
[07:23] woman's paranormal encounters would
[07:25] reportedly not end with the dinosaur
[07:28] beaver. It's claimed that the evil
[07:31] skinwalker phenomena attached itself to
[07:34] her and followed her from the ranch in
[07:37] Utah back to her home in Virginia where
[07:40] it haunted and tormented her. According
[07:44] to the Pentagon ghost hunters, a monster
[07:47] owl violently attacked her. Poltergeist
[07:50] wre havoc in her home, smashing wine
[07:53] bottles and spooky ghostly orbs floated
[07:56] around her home. But who was she? This
[07:59] group is notoriously made up of men. So,
[08:01] she's a unique addition to the group. As
[08:04] a journalist trying to put all the
[08:06] pieces of this paranormal puzzle
[08:08] together, I really wanted to find out.
[08:10] All I knew was that the Pentagon ghost
[08:12] hunters referred to her in their book
[08:15] with a name that has the initials JW.
[08:18] Another Pentagon official in his book
[08:20] refers to JW as beautiful, lethal, and
[08:25] worthy of being on the cover of Vogue
[08:28] magazine.
[08:31] For years, she's remained a mystery, but
[08:34] two documents offered clues. One is an
[08:38] official letter written by Senator Harry
[08:40] Reid to the Pentagon in 2009. It lists
[08:45] the names of officials who were working
[08:48] on this spooky program. One of them is a
[08:51] woman with initials JW. This other
[08:55] document was created by the Pentagon
[08:57] contractors at Skinwalker Ranch. In it
[09:01] is a chart tracking what they claimed
[09:03] was the Skinwalker Poltergeist as it
[09:06] follows people from the ranch back to
[09:08] their homes across America. One of them
[09:12] is a JW.
[09:15] After further research, talking to
[09:17] sources, and getting confirmations,
[09:19] I finally found JW, the Dino Beaver
[09:23] Girl.
[09:27] Jessica Wyatt is currently a division
[09:30] chief at the Defense Intelligence
[09:32] Agency, which is a government agency
[09:34] that collects and analyzes intelligence
[09:36] to help the military plan missions and
[09:39] understand threats. Wyatt did not
[09:41] respond to my written request for
[09:43] comment. I did briefly speak to her on
[09:45] the phone, but she declined to answer my
[09:48] questions about the wild paranormal
[09:50] encounters she reportedly had. On her
[09:53] Facebook, she remains friends with some
[09:55] of the same Pentagon ghost hunters from
[09:58] the Skinwalker Ranch program, like Eric
[10:00] Davis and Jay Stratton, who also claimed
[10:04] their houses were haunted after leaving
[10:06] the ranch. In one Facebook post, Wyatt
[10:09] shared an image of what appeared to be a
[10:11] flock of birds in the sky, but she says
[10:14] they are not birds, but metallic UFOs.
[10:19] She says the spooky phenomena continues
[10:22] to follow her.
[10:31] [Music]
[10:35] Jay Stratton, a decorated US Marine and
[10:38] senior intelligence officer, says the
[10:41] scariest thing he ever experienced
[10:44] didn't happen in Iraq or Afghanistan,
[10:47] but rather on Skinwalker Ranch. As
[10:50] Stratton tells it on the Skinwalker
[10:52] Ranch reality TV show on the History
[10:54] Channel, in 2009, he and two other US
[10:57] Marines went out onto the ranch at
[11:00] night. He says the moon was bright and
[11:02] was casting shadows on the ground. As
[11:05] they approached a certain tree, they
[11:07] were overcome with fear. The closer they
[11:10] got to the tree, the more fear they
[11:13] felt. And then they discovered that they
[11:16] couldn't physically cross over the
[11:18] treere's shadow on the ground. It was as
[11:21] if the shadow had paralyzed them. Then
[11:24] up on the top of one of the ranch's
[11:27] abandoned buildings, Stratton says they
[11:30] saw a large dark humanoid figure like a
[11:34] wraith or a demon. Stratton says this
[11:37] evil presence followed him from the
[11:39] ranch in Utah back to his home in
[11:42] Maryland where it continued to haunt
[11:44] him. At one point, Stratton claims a
[11:47] horrifying werewolf creature stalked his
[11:50] backyard.
[11:55] But who were the other two Marines with
[11:57] Stratton that night? One of them
[11:59] publicly replied to Stratton's story on
[12:02] X, saying he was there that night and
[12:05] cooperates Stratton's spooky paranormal
[12:07] claims. JL Bourne, a pseudonym, is
[12:11] currently a published author of multiple
[12:13] fictional books with paranormal and
[12:16] science fiction themes. On his ex
[12:18] account, he says he was part of this
[12:21] rogue paranormal Pentagon program. While
[12:24] looking for this book author to ask him
[12:27] some questions, public information led
[12:29] me to a Gary Ramsay.
[12:33] Gary Ramsay appears on both of these
[12:35] documents on Harry Reid's list of
[12:38] Pentagon officials that hunted the
[12:39] paranormal at Skinwalker Ranch and the
[12:42] chart of potentially haunted program
[12:44] participants. Ramsay did not respond to
[12:47] my inquiries.
[12:49] Once this rogue group started actually
[12:52] submitting their paranormal reports to
[12:54] the Pentagon, officials who were
[12:56] previously in the dark finally realized
[12:59] what was going on and what the money was
[13:02] being spent on. They were reportedly
[13:04] shocked and outraged. Taxpayer funding
[13:07] for this program was pulled in 2010.
[13:10] Senator Reid, who was up for reelection
[13:13] that year, decided to throw in the towel
[13:16] and walk away. The entire fiasco was
[13:19] completely shut down in 2012.
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[13:31] You've probably heard of the infamous
[13:32] tic-tac UFO incident. Navy pilots in
[13:36] 2004 supposedly encountered an extremely
[13:40] fast and extremely spooky tic-tac-shaped
[13:43] UFO over the Pacific oceans. This now
[13:47] famous video allegedly shows the object
[13:50] that they saw. In 2021, 60 Minutes
[13:53] featured David Fraver and Alex Dietrich,
[13:56] two of the Navy pilots who say they
[13:58] witnessed the tic tac and claim it
[14:00] displayed supernatural characteristics.
[14:03] Fraver had previously gone public, but
[14:06] this was Dietrich's first time in the
[14:08] public eye. She quickly became a folk
[14:11] hero in the media and to UFO believers.
[14:14] a Sigourney Weaver lookalike who'd had a
[14:17] dog fight with aliens. But what was
[14:20] never really revealed is that Dietrich
[14:23] is intimately connected to this same
[14:26] group. Back in 2009, the Pentagon
[14:29] Paranormal Investigators interviewed her
[14:32] about her Tic Tac experience, and a few
[14:35] years later, she married one of them.
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[14:40] I stumbled upon this photo on Dietrich's
[14:43] Facebook, which led me to Michael Green.
[14:46] Green was one of the other US Marines
[14:48] who was part of the Pentagon program at
[14:51] Skinwalker Ranch. This 2012 document
[14:54] again tracks the supposed spread of
[14:57] poltergeist phenomena from Skinwalker
[15:00] Ranch to people's homes. One of the
[15:02] arrows points from the ranch to Alex
[15:05] Dietrich and Michael Green. So, what
[15:08] kind of paranormal activity were they
[15:10] experiencing? Ghosts, wolf creatures,
[15:13] aliens? Neither of them would respond to
[15:16] my inquiries, but all of this seems like
[15:18] important context that the public should
[15:20] know. Both Green and Dietrich are
[15:23] currently advisers for a UFO advocacy
[15:25] group along with some of the same people
[15:29] from this same group. The group is
[15:32] lobbying Congress to spend more
[15:34] resources on UFOs.
[15:36] Dietrich was recently a keynote speaker
[15:39] at a Bigfoot festival.
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[15:50] In 2017, members of this group somehow
[15:54] convinced the New York Times to
[15:55] credulously print their story and their
[15:58] claims on the front page. The Times
[16:01] story was rife with errors and
[16:03] inaccuracies, but that didn't stop it
[16:06] from becoming a massive global
[16:07] sensation. Because of the onslaught of
[16:10] media coverage caused by the Times
[16:13] story, which was then heavily promoted
[16:15] by members of this group of true
[16:17] believers, Congress put pressure on the
[16:20] Pentagon to look into UFOs. And so in
[16:23] 2020, the Pentagon created an official
[16:26] UFO task force to actually officially
[16:30] this time investigate UFOs. But who was
[16:33] going to be on this task force? I mean,
[16:36] now that the Pentagon knew about these
[16:39] true believers in the unauthorized
[16:41] paranormal program they were a part of,
[16:44] there's no way the Pentagon was going to
[16:45] let them anywhere near this new thing.
[16:48] Right.
[16:50] Right.
[16:51] The Pentagon put some of the same people
[16:55] from this same group on this new task
[16:58] force.
[17:00] Why? How? What is going on here? I've
[17:04] asked the Pentagon this question and
[17:06] have not gotten an answer. Anyway, so
[17:09] the Pentagon Ghostbusters were back at
[17:11] it again, and this time they added even
[17:13] more paranormal believers to their team.
[17:16] I've previously reported on many of the
[17:18] names and faces you see here. Links to
[17:21] my reports are in the description below,
[17:23] but there were other Pentagon officials
[17:25] who participated in this new task force
[17:27] who for years remained unknown. But I
[17:30] found some of them and their stories are
[17:33] just as crazy as you would expect.
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[17:44] Sarah Gam has been a Pentagon scientist
[17:46] for the last two decades, working with
[17:49] various military agencies and
[17:51] contractors on very sensitive national
[17:54] security initiatives. She says she
[17:56] served as an analyst for the Pentagon
[17:58] UFO Task Force. Gam claims that in 2012
[18:02] she died after a surgery in the
[18:05] hospital. She says she went to heaven,
[18:08] saw God, and he sent her back to her
[18:10] body on Earth. She says she woke up with
[18:14] accelerated psychic powers. These
[18:17] powers, she says, gave her the ability
[18:19] to both see and communicate with ghosts,
[18:23] spirits, and angels. She says she's also
[18:27] used her psychic powers to find aliens
[18:30] hiding on Earth. For years, Gam offered
[18:34] up her psychic services for various
[18:36] prices. For example, she could help you
[18:38] talk to a dead person for $100 an hour.
[18:42] Currently, when she's not working on
[18:44] sensitive national security initiatives
[18:46] for the US Army, she attends ghost
[18:48] festivals and talks to spirits. Gam did
[18:51] not respond to my request for comment.
[18:54] Kevin Brown was a US Army official for
[18:56] 28 years. He spent the last two years of
[18:59] his government career as an intelligence
[19:01] analyst for the Pentagon's UFO task
[19:03] force. Brown, who spoke to me on the
[19:06] phone, says his interest in hunting the
[19:08] paranormal, goes back many years. He
[19:11] says one time while staying at the
[19:12] Stanley Hotel, which is the hotel
[19:15] featured in the movie The Shining, the
[19:17] ghost of a 12-year-old girl attached
[19:19] herself to him and followed him home. He
[19:22] says the dead girl now haunts his house,
[19:24] plays tricks on him, and often tickles
[19:27] his feet while he sleeps. He says he
[19:29] later learned her name was Katie and
[19:31] that she was killed at the Shining
[19:33] Hotel. Brown says he was one of the
[19:36] Pentagon task force analyst who
[19:38] determined that the objects in this US
[19:40] Navy video were flying pyramids. This
[19:44] however was later debunked. The objects
[19:47] in the video are actually just out of
[19:49] focus stars and only look triangular
[19:52] because the camera had a triangular
[19:54] iris.
[19:56] But despite this, Brown tells me he
[19:58] continues to hold his belief that these
[20:01] are pyramid UFOs being flown either by
[20:04] aliens or humans from the future. Brown,
[20:08] now retired from the Pentagon, currently
[20:11] attends and speaks at paranormal
[20:13] festivals and does psychic ghost tours
[20:15] with his close friend Sarah Gan.
[20:25] David Grush is probably someone you've
[20:28] heard of. He's a US Air Force reservist
[20:30] who claims he once had very high
[20:32] security clearances to very sensitive
[20:34] areas of the military. In 2023, he
[20:38] testified to Congress that the
[20:39] government is hiding alien UFOs and
[20:42] alien bodies. This made headlines around
[20:45] the world. But something you haven't
[20:48] heard yet is that back in 2021, Grush,
[20:51] without proper authorization, expanded a
[20:54] pre-existing top secret program to
[20:56] include a new mission for UFO
[20:59] acquisition and research. The goal of
[21:02] this rogue effort was for true believers
[21:05] to get their hands on crashed UFOs, take
[21:08] them apart, and study them. But how does
[21:11] one get a UFO to experiment on? Well,
[21:14] for many years, UFO believers have
[21:17] spitballled a few ideas. One idea was to
[21:20] use psychic powers to summon the UFOs.
[21:24] This idea actually made headlines in
[21:26] January 2025 when Air Force veteran Jake
[21:30] Barber went public about his supposed
[21:32] alien experiences. Barber claims he can
[21:34] summon UFOs with his mind. And David
[21:37] Grush was recently cited at the Eselin
[21:40] Institute sitting next to Barber and New
[21:43] Age Gurus for psychic summoning
[21:45] conference. The participants put on
[21:47] these magic goggles, lay out in the
[21:50] desert, and train their psychic mind
[21:52] powers to beckon the UFOs to come. They
[21:55] claim this is real and that it works,
[21:57] but no real evidence of this has ever
[22:00] been provided. Another idea to summon
[22:02] the UFOs actually goes back many years.
[22:05] True believers claim the aliens are
[22:07] attracted to nuclear weapons. So, a
[22:10] nuclear bomb detonated in the Pacific
[22:12] Ocean, for example, could attract UFOs,
[22:14] which could then, according to
[22:16] believers, be brought down with lasers
[22:19] or psychic powers or who knows, because
[22:22] luckily, this rogue program never got
[22:24] that far. It was discovered and shut
[22:27] down. A 2024 Pentagon report says
[22:30] members of Congress were notified of its
[22:32] existence, assured that they never
[22:34] actually did anything, and that the
[22:36] program was terminated for quote lack of
[22:39] merit. And that's putting it lightly.
[22:41] Now, if you're a little concerned to
[22:43] learn that the government employs and
[22:45] gives high top secret clearances to
[22:48] fringe paranormal conspiracy people,
[22:50] you're not alone. In 2023, then Senator
[22:54] Marco Rubio told Fox News,
[22:57] "Either they're telling the truth, and
[22:59] that is something that obviously would
[23:00] be uh the biggest story in human
[23:02] history, or we have people in really
[23:05] important positions of government, who
[23:06] are crazy and who are out there making
[23:08] up stories and and who are still in
[23:10] positions of importance. Either one is a
[23:12] big problem." In 2024, Shan Kirkpatre,
[23:15] who is the director of Arrow, the
[23:17] Pentagon's current UFO office, released
[23:20] a report debunking the claims of these
[23:22] Pentagon true believers. After retiring
[23:25] from the Pentagon, Kirk Patrick stated
[23:27] that there is a zealous paranormal
[23:29] religion inside the US government. And
[23:32] he says this religion is a potential
[23:35] national security threat. I think that
[23:38] is disturbing and should be a flag for
[23:42] the national security community because
[23:45] how can you then trust those people? How
[23:48] can you trust them with n our national
[23:50] secrets? Adding an even weirder twist to
[23:54] all of this is a bombshell Wall Street
[23:56] Journal report revealing that the US
[23:59] government itself was the source of many
[24:03] of these paranormal UFO claims. The
[24:06] report says the government created fake
[24:08] UFO images and promoted rumors about
[24:12] aliens to cover up their own top secret
[24:15] humanmade technology.
[24:18] I interviewed one of the Pentagon
[24:19] officials who discovered all this and he
[24:22] estimates thousands of government
[24:24] officials were convinced that aliens
[24:27] were real because of these fake stories
[24:31] planted by the government. There was a
[24:33] lot of misbehavior by our government
[24:36] early on. We built these UFO cover
[24:40] stories to protect what we were really
[24:41] doing.
[24:42] To what extent the government inspired
[24:45] all these Pentagon paranormal believers
[24:47] to chase fake monsters is still yet to
[24:50] be seen. But one thing's for sure, these
[24:54] supernatural crusaders are still there.
[24:58] Still searching undeterred
[25:01] for their truth.
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