Chasing Shadows: UFOs, Politics and the Pentagon
Podcast VidS-019 Chasing Shadows: UFOs, Politics and the Pentagon
Chasing Shadows: UFOs, Politics and the Pentagon
Summary and acknowledgement
From private investigations at a privately owned site associated with reports of unusual and paranormal activity to Pentagon programmes and congressional hearings, this article traces how UAP claims moved from the margins into institutions. It examines the financial and political relationships behind that transition, the limits of testimony and sensor evidence, and the challenge of distinguishing genuine security concerns from speculation and belief.
This article is based on information and analysis presented in The Basement Office, an investigative video series by the New York Post. We would like to thank the programme’s creators (especially Steven Greenstreet) and contributors for their extensive research into UFOs, UAPs, government secrecy and paranormal claims. The subjects discussed here represent only part of the material explored in those sources; much more information, documentation and analysis is available in the original videos and associated research.
AI-director: Eric Wassink
Published: 23 August 2026
Introduction: What the UAP Issue Is — and Is Not
The term unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP) is used to describe observations that cannot be immediately explained on the basis of the available information. The word “unidentified” describes the status of an observation; it does not establish what caused it. An unresolved sighting may reflect incomplete sensor data, a lack of context, an unfamiliar object, foreign surveillance technology, classified aircraft, sensor artefacts or optical effects.
This distinction is central to the UAP debate. The fact that an observation remains unexplained does not, by itself, demonstrate the presence of extraterrestrial technology or any other extraordinary phenomenon. The source material used for this article therefore distinguishes between the existence of an unresolved observation and the explanation subsequently attributed to it. Claims involving extraterrestrial vehicles, interdimensional entities, werewolves or psychic abilities belong to the realm of interpretation unless they are supported by independently verifiable evidence.
The subject is further complicated by the interaction between government secrecy, private interests, political involvement and media attention. Sensitive aerospace programmes may be protected through classification, while the resulting lack of information can also create space for speculation and competing narratives. In this environment, accounts of unusual observations may be presented as evidence of hidden technology, non-human intelligence or a government cover-up, even when the available evidence does not establish such conclusions.
The UAP issue is therefore both an evidentiary and an institutional problem. It concerns how unusual observations are recorded, assessed and explained, but also how government programmes, private organisations, political actors and the media shape the public understanding of those observations. A careful analysis must distinguish between documented events, personal testimony, allegations and interpretations. It must also separate a genuine data gap from the claim that the phenomenon has an extraordinary origin.
From Private Interests to Government Funding
Private research at Skinwalker Ranch
The transition from private investigation to government-funded research began with Robert Bigelow’s interest in Skinwalker Ranch. Bigelow purchased the property in 1996 and established the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS) to investigate reports of unusual activity there [21550].
The ranch was associated with claims involving unidentified objects and a range of alleged paranormal phenomena. NIDS investigators, however, did not produce publicly verifiable evidence establishing the extraordinary explanations attached to those reports. By 2004, Bigelow had ended the organisation’s active investigations, stating that “nothing was happening” at the ranch and had not been happening for more than two years [21550].
The subject returned to public attention with the publication of Hunt for the Skinwalker in 2005. Written by Colm Kelleher and George Knapp, the book described accounts of werewolves, ghosts, portals and other unusual events allegedly connected with the ranch [21550]. These accounts helped connect Skinwalker Ranch to a wider discussion about UFOs, anomalous phenomena and possible government interest.
James Lacatski and the move towards official involvement
In 2007, James Lacatski, a scientist at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), read Hunt for the Skinwalker and subsequently visited the ranch [21550]. According to the account presented in the sources, Lacatski reported witnessing an unexplained apparition during his visit [21550; 21557].
The material presents this experience as an important step in the development of a government-backed programme. It states that Lacatski worked with, or received support from, Senator Harry Reid in seeking official attention for the subject [21550; 21557]. The available account therefore links three elements: a privately owned site associated with extraordinary claims, the personal interest of a DIA scientist, and political support from a senior senator.
These connections do not, by themselves, establish that the claims associated with the ranch were true. They do, however, raise questions about how private interests, personal experiences and political access influenced the decision to examine the subject through government channels.
The creation of AAWSAP
In 2008, the Pentagon established the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP), following Lacatski’s involvement and with the support of Senator Reid [21550; 21557]. The programme was formally presented in terms of future aerospace weapon systems and potential foreign technological threats. This framing was intended to place the project within a national-security context and to support congressional and bureaucratic approval [21550; 21557].
The programme’s stated purpose and its reported activities did not entirely coincide. According to the sources, the work connected to AAWSAP also included investigations into alleged paranormal activity at Skinwalker Ranch. These subjects included cryptids, poltergeist phenomena, unusual physical sensations and purported interdimensional entities [21550; 21552; 21553; 21557].
The material further states that explicit references to UFOs, cryptids and paranormal activity were omitted from official proposals in order to facilitate funding and approval [21557]. This is a significant claim about the presentation of the programme. It should therefore be treated as an allegation or interpretation attributed to the relevant source, rather than as an independently established fact.
The BAASS contract and potential conflicts of interest
The prime contract for AAWSAP was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow [21550; 21551; 21555]. The programme received $22 million in taxpayer funding [21557].
This arrangement created a potential conflict of interest because public money was directed to a company connected to the owner of the property that formed a central part of the programme’s wider investigative narrative. The arrangement also brought together individuals with different kinds of involvement: Bigelow had private financial and research interests in Skinwalker Ranch; Lacatski was a DIA scientist who had developed an interest in the subject; and Reid provided political support for the programme [21550; 21557].
The existence of these connections does not, on its own, demonstrate improper conduct or prove that the programme’s findings were predetermined. It does mean that the programme’s independence and scope require careful examination. In particular, the following questions are relevant:
How was the programme’s official purpose defined? What relationship did its formal aerospace and national-security objectives have to the investigations at Skinwalker Ranch? Why was the BAASS contract awarded to a company founded by the ranch’s owner? To what extent did personal beliefs or prior experiences influence the programme’s direction? Were the programme’s publicly stated objectives sufficiently clear and complete? The transition to government funding therefore did more than provide resources for the investigation of UAP reports. It also transferred a set of privately developed claims and interests into an official setting. That transfer made the subject more visible to government institutions, but it also created questions about institutional independence, the adequacy of oversight and the distinction between national-security research and investigations based on paranormal claims.
AAWSAP, AATIP and Institutional Ambiguity
Two programmes, overlapping narratives
The relationship between the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) is central to the later public discussion of UAPs. The two names are often presented as referring to the same programme, but the sources describe them as distinct, although related, designations.
AAWSAP was established in 2008 at the request of Defense Intelligence Agency scientist James Lacatski, with the support of Senator Harry Reid [21550]. It was formally presented as a programme concerned with future aerospace weapon systems and potential foreign technological threats. Its activities were reportedly broader, however, and included investigations into alleged paranormal activity at Skinwalker Ranch [21550; 21552; 21553; 21557].
The programme’s prime contract was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow [21550; 21551; 21555]. It received $22 million in taxpayer funding [21557].
The AATIP designation
The material states that the designation AATIP was used in 2009 in an attempt by Senator Reid to obtain highly restricted Special Access status for the initiative. The Pentagon denied that request [21550].
This distinction is important because AATIP subsequently became the name most closely associated with the public account of the Pentagon’s UFO programme. The material describes the relationship between the two designations as a source of continuing confusion, particularly because the public presentation of AATIP focused on unidentified objects and national-security concerns, while AAWSAP had also been connected to the more speculative investigations at Skinwalker Ranch.
The material does not present a single uncontested explanation for this ambiguity. It records the view that the distinction reflected overlapping offices, changing responsibilities and inconsistent descriptions of the programmes. It also discusses the criticism that the distinction helped separate the public image of AATIP from the more controversial history associated with AAWSAP [21550; 21552; 21553].
Luis Elizondo and disputed roles
The public narrative that emerged after 2017 strongly associated Luis Elizondo with AATIP. The material notes, however, that Elizondo reportedly denied having been involved with AAWSAP [21550; 21557].
This creates an important distinction between a person’s public association with AATIP and the question of which programme, office or activity that person actually worked for. The available accounts described in the sources do not resolve all of these administrative and personal overlaps. As a result, claims about individual roles should be attributed to the relevant person or source rather than presented as settled institutional facts.
The 2017 media turning point
On 16 December 2017, The New York Times published an article about a secret Pentagon UFO programme. The material describes this publication as a turning point that produced a wider media and political “domino effect” [21550].
The reporting shifted the public presentation of the subject. Instead of being treated primarily as an embarrassing or marginal topic, UFOs were increasingly discussed in terms of national security, military safety and government transparency [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555]. The use of military footage and the focus on encounters involving service personnel contributed to this more institutional framing. At the same time, the material notes that such footage did not, by itself, establish what the objects were.
The adoption of the term UAP also provided a more administrative and less culturally loaded way of discussing unresolved observations [6]. This terminology helped move the subject away from some of the extraterrestrial associations traditionally connected with the term “UFO”.
The allegation of deliberate reframing
The material discusses a claim that approximately 97 per cent of the original story was omitted in order to make it politically viable [21557]. According to this interpretation, the omitted material included the investigations into ghosts, cryptids and other paranormal claims associated with Skinwalker Ranch.
The material treats this percentage as an allegation or source interpretation rather than as an independently established measurement. It also notes that no transparent basis is provided for calculating the figure [21557]. The claim should therefore not be stated as a verified fact.
Critics nevertheless argue that the change in emphasis amounted to a deliberate reframing. In their view, presenting the programme primarily as an investigation into military encounters and potential aerospace threats made it more acceptable to legislators and the wider public, while discussion of ghosts and cryptids would have been more difficult to sustain politically [21557].
The material qualifies this interpretation by noting that editorial selection is not automatically evidence of deception [7]. A change in emphasis may reflect political strategy, journalistic choices, institutional complexity or an attempt to distinguish different aspects of the programme. The available material does not, on its own, establish which of these explanations is correct.
Institutional distance and unresolved questions
The change from the broader AAWSAP narrative to the more publicly acceptable AATIP and UAP narrative created what the material describes as institutional distance. Public discussion became centred on military safety, sensor data and government transparency, while the earlier links to Skinwalker Ranch and paranormal investigations became less prominent [21557].
This distance complicates attempts to reconstruct the programmes’ history. It raises questions about:
whether AAWSAP and AATIP should be treated as separate programmes or as overlapping parts of the same initiative; how their mandates changed over time; which activities were formally authorised and which were associated with related private investigations; how individual officials’ roles should be understood; whether the differences in public descriptions reflected deliberate presentation, administrative confusion or both; and how much of the original programme’s scope was communicated to political decision-makers and the public. The central issue is therefore not simply whether AAWSAP and AATIP had different names. It is whether the changes in terminology, institutional framing and public emphasis affected how the programmes were understood, funded and scrutinised. The material provides evidence of substantial ambiguity, but some of the stronger conclusions about deliberate concealment remain interpretations or allegations rather than established facts.
Potential Conflicts of Interest
The UAP programmes described in the sources brought together public funding, private contracting, political support and personal convictions. These connections do not, by themselves, establish that any decision was unlawful or improper. They do, however, raise questions about independence, oversight and the relationship between private interests and government research [21550; 21555; 21557].
Public funding and private contracting
A central issue is the allocation of $22 million in taxpayer funding to the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) [21550; 21555; 21557]. The prime contract was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a private company founded by Robert Bigelow [21550; 21551; 21555].
Bigelow also owned Skinwalker Ranch, where investigations associated with the programme took place. This created an overlap between a government-funded project, a private contractor and a privately owned location that was central to the programme’s wider narrative [21557].
The arrangement does not in itself demonstrate that the contract was improperly awarded. It does mean, however, that the programme’s structure could reasonably attract scrutiny. Questions arise over the independence of the research, the extent to which the contractor’s existing interests influenced the programme’s direction, and the adequacy of the oversight applied to the use of public funds [21557].
Political relationships and access
The material also discusses the relationship between Senator Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow. Reid supported the creation of the government programme, while Bigelow was connected to Reid’s political activities as a financial supporter [21550; 21551; 21555; 21557].
This relationship is relevant because it connected a private individual with a direct interest in anomalous phenomena to a senior political figure who helped promote official government attention to the subject. The available information does not establish that Reid’s support was motivated improperly or that Bigelow’s financial support determined the awarding of the contract [21555]. It does, nevertheless, create a potential or perceived conflict that requires clear disclosure and careful examination.
The issue is therefore not simply whether a political relationship existed. It is whether that relationship affected:
the decision to establish the programme; the way in which its objectives were defined; the selection of the contractor; the choice of Skinwalker Ranch as an investigative location; or the level of scrutiny applied to the programme. The material presents these as questions arising from the documented connections, rather than as settled conclusions.
Personal conviction and institutional action James Lacatski’s involvement illustrates another form of potential conflict. Lacatski was a Defense Intelligence Agency scientist who visited Skinwalker Ranch in 2007 after reading Hunt for the Skinwalker. According to the sources, he reported witnessing an unexplained apparition during that visit [21550; 21557].
The material links Lacatski’s interest in the ranch to the subsequent establishment of AAWSAP, which was created with the support of Senator Reid [21550; 21557]. This sequence raises the question of how far a personal experience and an individual’s prior interest influenced the decision to create a publicly funded programme.
The material does not establish that Lacatski acted improperly. Nor does a personal experience, by itself, demonstrate that a government investigation lacked a legitimate national-security rationale. The concern is institutional: a programme intended to examine aerospace or foreign technological threats also became associated with claims about cryptids, poltergeist phenomena, unusual physical sensations and purported interdimensional entities [21550; 21552; 21553; 21557].
The scope of the programme
The material describes a difference between the programme’s formal presentation and the activities associated with it. AAWSAP was presented in terms of future aerospace weapon systems and potential foreign technological threats [21550; 21557]. Its reported activities were broader and included investigations into alleged paranormal events at Skinwalker Ranch [21550; 21552; 21553; 21557].
According to the material, explicit references to UFOs and paranormal activity were omitted from official proposals to facilitate congressional and bureaucratic approval [21557]. This is a significant allegation about how the programme was presented. It should not, however, be treated as an independently established fact without further evidence.
If accurate, the omission would raise questions about whether decision-makers received a complete account of the programme’s intended scope. It would also illustrate the tension between a formal national-security justification and activities involving claims that were more speculative or paranormal in character.
Secrecy and oversight
The programme’s secrecy added another layer of difficulty. In 2009, Senator Reid attempted to obtain highly restricted Special Access status for the initiative under the name AATIP [21550]. The Pentagon denied the request [21550].
The material presents the secrecy surrounding the programme as a factor that made its structure and activities difficult to reconstruct. Critics have interpreted the request for greater secrecy, and the distinction between AAWSAP and AATIP, as attempts to shield controversial activities from wider scrutiny [21550; 21557].
That interpretation remains contested. The available material does not establish that secrecy was intended to conceal improper conduct. Classified or restricted arrangements may also reflect the sensitivity attributed to defence-related work. The more clearly established issue is that secrecy and inconsistent public descriptions made it harder to determine how the programmes were organised, what they were authorised to investigate and how their funding was used.
From potential conflict to established misconduct
The material’s evidence supports a distinction between documented relationships and claims about their meaning.
The documented elements include:
public funding for AAWSAP; the award of the prime contract to BAASS; Robert Bigelow’s connection to BAASS and Skinwalker Ranch; Harry Reid’s political support for the programme; Reid’s relationship with Bigelow; James Lacatski’s involvement after visiting the ranch; and the programme’s association with both aerospace threats and alleged paranormal activity [21550; 21551; 21552; 21553; 21555; 21557]. The stronger conclusions — that funding was directed for improper reasons, that the contract was determined by political donations, or that the programme’s scope was deliberately concealed — are presented in the material as allegations, interpretations or points of criticism rather than as conclusively established facts [21555; 21557].
A careful account should therefore avoid describing the arrangement simply as corruption or deliberate manipulation. A more precise conclusion is that the overlap between private ownership, political access, personal conviction and public funding created potential and perceived conflicts of interest. These conflicts placed particular importance on transparent mandates, independent oversight and a clear separation between verifiable national-security research and unsupported or speculative claims.
The 2017 Public Narrative
The New York Times Report
On 16 December 2017, The New York Times published an article about a secret Pentagon programme concerned with UFOs. The publication marked a significant change in the public treatment of the subject. According to the article, UFOs moved from being regarded largely as a marginal or embarrassing topic to being discussed in terms of national security, military safety and government transparency [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555].
The reporting also contributed to what the sources describes as a wider media and political “domino effect”. The subject became more acceptable as an issue for public officials to address, particularly when it was presented in relation to military encounters, aviation safety and possible gaps in national-security knowledge [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555].
From UFOs to UAPs
The public discussion increasingly adopted the term unidentified aerial phenomena, or UAP. The material presents this as a more administrative and less culturally loaded term than “UFO” [21550; 21551; 21552; 21555].
This change in terminology helped place the subject within an institutional framework. Instead of focusing primarily on extraterrestrial interpretations, the discussion could be presented as an issue involving unidentified observations, military reporting, sensor data and government oversight.
The change in language did not, however, resolve the underlying evidentiary problem. A recording of an unidentified object or event does not by itself establish what that object or event was. The material notes that military footage may be interpreted as showing extraordinary speed or advanced technological characteristics, while also discussing conventional explanations such as parallax, camera artefacts and distortions in thermal imaging [21551; 21553; 21554].
The Role of Luis Elizondo
Luis Elizondo became one of the principal public figures associated with the Pentagon’s UAP activities following the 2017 reporting. His involvement helped give the story a recognisable official face and reinforced the impression that the subject had been taken seriously within government [21550; 21557].
At the same time, the sources describes continuing uncertainty about the relationship between Elizondo’s public association with AATIP and the earlier AAWSAP programme. AAWSAP had been connected to Robert Bigelow, BAASS and the investigations at Skinwalker Ranch, including claims involving paranormal phenomena. The public narrative surrounding AATIP placed greater emphasis on unidentified objects, military encounters and national security [21550; 21557].
This distinction is important because it affects how the history of the programmes is understood. The question is not merely which name was used, but whether the public account accurately reflected the scope and background of the activities associated with the earlier programme.
The National-Security Framework
The 2017 narrative presented UAPs primarily as a question of national security, military safety and government transparency [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555]. This framing made the subject more suitable for political discussion than accounts centred on ghosts, cryptids or other paranormal claims.
The material notes that political figures such as Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio could support further investigation when the issue was presented in terms of military safety and government oversight. A discussion focused on ghosts and cryptids would have been more difficult to sustain within that political framework [21557].
This does not establish that the national-security framing was illegitimate. Unidentified observations involving military personnel or equipment can be treated as an institutional or security matter even when no extraordinary explanation has been demonstrated. It does show, however, that the way the subject was described affected its political acceptability.
The Omission of Paranormal Material
The material discusses the claim that the 2017 public account left out much of the paranormal material associated with AAWSAP and Skinwalker Ranch [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555; 21557].
One source alleges that approximately 97 per cent of the original story was omitted in order to make the subject “politically viable” [21557]. The material treats this figure as an allegation or interpretation rather than as an independently verified measurement. It does not provide a transparent basis for calculating the percentage [21557].
Critics interpret the omission as a deliberate reframing. According to this interpretation, the public narrative concentrated on military encounters and possible aerospace threats while reducing the prominence of claims about werewolves, ghosts, portals and other paranormal phenomena [21557].
The material also qualifies this interpretation. Editorial selection is not automatically evidence of deception, and the available material does not by itself establish whether the change in emphasis resulted from deliberate concealment, political strategy, journalistic judgement, institutional complexity or an attempt to distinguish separate programmes and activities [21557].
Public Presentation and Institutional Distance
The change in emphasis created distance between the earlier AAWSAP narrative and the public presentation of AATIP and UAPs. The former was associated with a broader set of activities, including investigations at Skinwalker Ranch, while the latter was presented mainly through the language of national security, military safety and government transparency [21550; 21557].
This shift gave the subject greater institutional credibility, but it also made the programme’s history more difficult to reconstruct. Public attention focused on official statements, military videos and the question of whether the government had withheld information. The earlier links to private research and alleged paranormal activity became less visible [21550; 21557]. The result was a narrative in which official status could be mistaken for confirmation. Government involvement, political attention and military footage may demonstrate that the subject was considered worthy of investigation. They do not, by themselves, establish that the observations had an extraordinary origin or that the claims associated with them were true [21550; 21551; 21553; 21554; 21557].
What the 2017 Reporting Established — and What It Did Not
The 2017 reporting established that government programmes and military observations had become part of a wider public debate. It also changed the language through which the subject was discussed, moving it towards UAPs, national security and institutional oversight [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555].
It did not, on the basis of the evidence discussed in the material, establish that the objects were extraterrestrial, that they represented advanced non-human technology or that a government cover-up had occurred. The reporting brought unresolved observations into the public domain, but the explanations attached to those observations remained contested.
The significance of 2017 therefore lies not only in the information that was reported, but also in the way the information was framed. The episode illustrates how media selection, political language and institutional presentation can determine which parts of a complex programme become publicly visible — and which parts remain peripheral to the dominant narrative.
Evidence and Methodology
The Difference Between a Claim and Evidence
The material distinguishes between reports of unusual events and evidence that can establish what caused them. An observation may remain unresolved because the available data are incomplete, the observer lacks relevant context or the object is unfamiliar. That uncertainty does not, by itself, demonstrate an extraordinary origin [21552; 21554; 21557].
The material argues that conclusions in this field should be based on reproducible data, independent verification and, where appropriate, peer-reviewed analysis [21557]. These standards are particularly important when claims concern extraterrestrial technology, paranormal activity or physical effects on people.
Testimony and Retrospective Accounts
Many of the claims associated with Skinwalker Ranch were based on personal testimony and retrospective accounts [21557]. The material describes stories involving werewolves, ghosts, interdimensional portals and other unusual phenomena, but notes that no independently verifiable physical evidence was presented to establish these claims [21557].
The absence of independently verifiable evidence does not prove that every account was fabricated. It does mean that testimony alone cannot establish the nature or cause of the reported events. Accounts should therefore be presented as statements by witnesses or participants, rather than as confirmed descriptions of what occurred.
Physical Samples and Scientific Testing
The material also examines material said to have been collected during investigations connected with Skinwalker Ranch. These materials included spheres, rock samples, liquid and other items that were considered potentially significant by those involved [21557].
According to the sources, the materials did not provide evidence of alien or otherwise extraordinary origins. One analysis identified the spheres as ion-exchange beads, while other samples were associated with hydraulic fluid or muddy water [21557]. The material uses these examples to question the level of scientific rigour applied to some of the investigations.
The relevant methodological issue is not simply that the materials had ordinary explanations. It is also that the initial interpretation of an object as potentially alien appears to have preceded the establishment of evidence demonstrating that interpretation. A more rigorous process would require the material to be documented, tested and assessed independently before an extraordinary explanation was attached to it [21557].
Claims of Health Effects
The material discusses claims of physical or psychological effects associated with alleged phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch, including what it refers to as the “Hitchhiker effect” [21557].
It states that these claims were not supported by peer-reviewed medical studies or by collaboration with recognised public-health institutions [21557]. The absence of such research does not establish that no one experienced the reported effects. It does mean that the claims remain insufficiently validated and should not be treated as established medical findings.
Military Footage and Sensor Data
The material treats military videos and sensor recordings as potentially important sources of information, but not as proof of the extraordinary explanations sometimes attached to them. Such recordings may demonstrate that a sensor detected an unusual object or event. They do not necessarily establish what the object was, how it moved or whether it represented an advanced technology [21551; 21553; 21554].
The interpretation of sensor data can be affected by the characteristics and limitations of the equipment, the position and movement of the observer, atmospheric conditions and the absence of contextual information. These factors make it necessary to examine the original data and the circumstances in which it was recorded rather than relying only on the appearance of a video or on a witness’s interpretation.
Parallax and Apparent Movement
One technical problem discussed in the materials is parallax. The apparent movement of a distant object can be affected by the movement of the observing platform or camera and by changes in the background against which the object is viewed [21551; 21553]. This can create the impression that an object is travelling at an unusually high speed or performing an abrupt manoeuvre. A visual impression of extraordinary movement is therefore not sufficient, on its own, to establish that the object possessed extraordinary capabilities [21551; 21553].
Camera Artefacts
The material also describes the possibility that camera systems can alter the appearance of light sources. An out-of-focus light may acquire a geometric form as a result of the camera’s aperture or iris [21553].
This is relevant to images interpreted as showing unusual craft, including objects described as having pyramid-like shapes. The appearance recorded by the camera may not correspond directly to the shape of a physical object. Determining that would require an assessment of the equipment, focus, exposure and other recording conditions [21553].
Thermal Imaging and Other Distortions
Thermal imaging can introduce further difficulties. The material refers to glare, engine exhaust and atmospheric turbulence as factors that may affect the infrared image and create misleading impressions of an object’s shape or movement [21553].
These explanations do not demonstrate that every observation has a conventional cause. They do demonstrate why a recording must be analysed in context and why apparent motion or form cannot automatically be treated as evidence of advanced technology [21553].
Missing Context and Classified Technology
The material identifies a further problem in the lack of information surrounding classified aerospace programmes. Observers may encounter unfamiliar aircraft or other technology without having access to the information needed to identify it [21553; 21554].
The material refers to the “Klingon death ship” as an example of a highly geometric stealth design that could be mistaken for something non-human or extraordinary [21553; 21554]. When information about classified platforms is withheld, the resulting gap in knowledge can encourage speculation. The absence of an explanation may therefore reflect a lack of available context rather than the presence of unknown technology [21554].
Secrecy and the Interpretation of Evidence
Government secrecy has a dual effect in the material’s account. It can protect sensitive aerospace programmes, but it can also contribute to the development of UFO narratives. The material states that government entities have at times used UFO folklore as a cover for classified aerospace testing [21554].
This possibility further complicates the interpretation of reports. A witness may describe an unfamiliar aircraft as an extraterrestrial object because relevant information is unavailable. Conversely, the existence of secrecy can encourage the belief that authorities are concealing evidence of alien technology. In both cases, the information gap makes it more difficult to distinguish between a genuine unidentified observation, a classified but conventional object and an unsupported interpretation [21554].
Internal Confusion and Fabricated Evidence
The sources also describe a more internal aspect of secrecy. Beneath the global fascination with extraterrestrial visitors and anomalous craft lies a much more earthly reality: state-orchestrated deception designed to protect national-security secrets.
According to the source analyses, the US government has actively fabricated fake UFO imagery and propagated extraterrestrial rumours as a deliberate strategic tool. Rather than shielding evidence of non-human visitors from the public, these narratives were developed to mask cutting-edge, human-made military technology and classified aerospace projects from foreign adversaries and public scrutiny. [21554; 21555]
By encouraging or tolerating sensational stories about alien encounters, authorities could effectively neutralise genuine sightings of classified aircraft. Anyone who observed an advanced experimental test flight was steered towards talking about "flying saucers", instantly transforming a potential breach of high-level military secrets into fringe speculation that defence officials could easily dismiss. [21554; 21555]
This deliberate blurring of reality and mythology was particularly intense around installations such as Area 51, the remote Nevada facility long renowned for flight-testing classified aircraft. The source material details how fake alien spacecraft photographs were intentionally planted at tourist spots and commercial venues surrounding the facility. These fabrications were designed to serve as readymade cover stories whenever observers spotted unconventional, human-made aircraft conducting secret test flights in the surrounding airspace. [21554]
The deception, however, was not directed solely at the public. Inside military installations, fabricated "Special Access Programs" were reportedly utilised as hazing rituals and compartmentalised security traps. Military personnel and defence contractors were exposed to manufactured lore and mock documentation concerning extraterrestrial recoveries, leading many insiders to genuinely believe that alien craft were being reverse-engineered. [21554]
According to estimates cited from a Pentagon official in the source accounts, these sophisticated internal and external disinformation campaigns successfully convinced thousands of government and military personnel that extraterrestrial visitors were real. [21555] The state, in effect, manufactured a mythology that its own workforce eventually came to believe.
The material does not independently document the scale or frequency of such practices; the claim should therefore be treated as a source allegation rather than an established operational policy.
The Institutional Effect of Unverified Claims
The material argues that government funding, congressional attention and proximity to the Pentagon can give unverified claims an appearance of institutional authority [21550; 21555; 21557]. This is particularly significant where claims involving cryptids, psychic abilities or interdimensional phenomena become associated with official programmes.
Institutional involvement may establish that a claim was considered worthy of investigation. It does not independently verify the claim itself. The distinction is important because the authority of the institution can be transferred, unintentionally or otherwise, to the underlying evidence, even when that evidence remains anecdotal or incomplete [21550; 21555; 21557].
Methodological Standards for UAP Investigation
The methodological challenge described in the sources is therefore not simply to explain every observation immediately. It is to preserve the distinction between:
an observation that remains unidentified; a conventional explanation that has not yet been tested sufficiently; a claim based mainly on personal testimony; evidence that has been independently verified; and an extraordinary interpretation attached to incomplete data. This distinction is also relevant to the later work of AARO, which the material presents as part of an effort to assess reports more systematically [21552; 21554; 21557]. The central methodological requirement remains the same: unresolved data should be investigated without treating the absence of an immediate explanation as evidence for extraterrestrial, paranormal or otherwise extraordinary causes [21552; 21554; 21557].
The Pentagon and AARO
From Ad Hoc Interest to Formal Investigation
The creation of dedicated government offices marked a further stage in the institutionalisation of the UAP issue. In August 2020, the UAP Task Force was established to provide greater structure for collecting and assessing reports [21550; 21551; 21552; 21555].
The establishment of the Task Force reflected growing political and public interest following the 2017 reporting on Pentagon activities. The subject was increasingly presented in terms of military safety, national security and government oversight rather than as a primarily cultural or paranormal issue [21550; 21551; 21553; 21555].
In 2022, the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) was established as a centralised framework for evaluating UAP reports [21552; 21553; 21554; 21555; 21557]. Its role was to assess reports across different operational environments and to distinguish unresolved observations from claims about their possible origin.
Sean Kirkpatrick’s Approach
Dr Sean Kirkpatrick served as AARO’s first director [21552; 21553; 21554; 21555; 21557]. The material presents him as an advocate of a more rigorous, evidence-based approach to UAP investigations.
Kirkpatrick warned against what he described as a “UFO religion” or a “zealous paranormal religion” within defence and intelligence circles [21552; 21553; 21554; 21555; 21557]. In this context, the terms refer to a tendency to treat belief in non-human intelligence, interdimensional forces or extraordinary technology as a substitute for scientific assessment [21557].
The concern is methodological as well as institutional. If personal conviction begins to determine how ambiguous sightings or sensor data are interpreted, the investigation may become vulnerable to confirmation bias. A government office could then give greater weight to an extraordinary explanation before the available evidence had established that explanation.
Historical Claims and Earlier Programmes
AARO’s work included the reassessment of historical claims and evidence associated with earlier initiatives [21552; 21553; 21554; 21555]. This placed the office in a difficult position. It was expected to examine a long history of reports, programmes and testimony, while also addressing public expectations that the government possessed information about non-human technology or a longstanding cover-up.
The material maintains that the word “unidentified” should be understood as a description of the available evidence rather than as a conclusion about the nature of the object or event [21557]. A case may remain unresolved because the data are incomplete or because the relevant context is unavailable. That status does not, by itself, demonstrate that the case involves extraterrestrial technology or any other extraordinary cause.
The material also notes that some reports initially treated as unidentified were later associated with conventional explanations, including Chinese surveillance activity and spy balloons [21557]. This illustrates the importance of gathering sufficient information before drawing conclusions about the origin or significance of an observation.
Evidence and Institutional Responsibility
The Pentagon and AARO faced an evidentiary problem that had already affected earlier UAP investigations. Public testimony, military videos and reports of unusual events could establish that observations had been made, but they did not necessarily establish what had been observed [21551; 21553; 21554].
The material therefore presents AARO’s task as involving more than the collection of reports. It also involves assessing the quality of the underlying data, considering conventional explanations and maintaining a distinction between unresolved evidence and extraordinary claims [21552; 21554; 21557].
This distinction is particularly important when government involvement gives a claim additional authority. The fact that an observation is considered by the Pentagon or discussed in Congress demonstrates institutional interest. It does not independently verify the explanation attached to that observation [21550; 21555; 21557].
Congressional Interest and Oversight
Congressional involvement increased as UAPs were framed as matters of military safety, national security and government transparency [21550; 21552; 21555]. Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio are identified in the material as political figures who supported further investigation within this framework [21557].
This political support helped sustain formal attention to UAP reports. It also reinforced the shift away from the earlier emphasis on ghosts, cryptids and other paranormal claims. The national-security framing made it possible to discuss the issue as a matter of oversight and defence policy rather than as an endorsement of paranormal belief [21557].
The resulting institutional structure created a tension between two expectations. On one hand, government offices were expected to investigate potential risks and provide greater transparency. On the other, some advocates expected those offices to confirm claims about non-human intelligence or hidden government knowledge.
Criticism of AARO
The material describes criticism from some advocates and congressional figures who questioned AARO’s findings [21557]. These critics alleged that AARO did not have access to all relevant information or that its conclusions did not account for testimony held elsewhere within the defence establishment [21557].
These allegations form part of the wider dispute over transparency and institutional access. The material does not present them as independently established facts. They should therefore be distinguished from the documented creation and operation of AARO.
The disagreement also reflects a broader problem in the UAP debate. When information is classified or distributed across different offices, it can be difficult for outsiders to determine what evidence has been reviewed. The resulting uncertainty may be interpreted either as a normal consequence of national-security work or as evidence that information is being withheld.
National Security and Paranormal Claims
AARO’s institutional role needs to be separated from the earlier investigations associated with Skinwalker Ranch and AAWSAP. The former were presented in terms of official assessment, national-security concerns and the systematic review of UAP reports. The latter had also been associated with alleged cryptids, poltergeist phenomena, unusual physical sensations and purported interdimensional entities [21550; 21552; 21553; 21557].
The material treats this distinction as important because paranormal claims can acquire additional credibility when they are connected to government funding, congressional interest or Pentagon personnel [21550; 21555; 21557]. Institutional proximity does not, however, provide independent evidence for the claims themselves.
The challenge for AARO was therefore not only to determine whether individual observations could be explained. It was also to maintain a clear boundary between the investigation of potential defence or aviation concerns and the validation of claims that remain anecdotal, speculative or unsupported by independently verifiable evidence.
The Limits of Institutional Findings
The creation of AARO did not remove the underlying uncertainty surrounding UAP reports. A formal government investigation can improve the organisation of evidence and provide a recognised process for reviewing claims. It cannot guarantee that every observation will be resolved, nor can institutional involvement transform an unresolved observation into proof of an extraordinary explanation.
The material’s central methodological point remains that the absence of an immediate explanation should not be treated as evidence of extraterrestrial technology, paranormal activity or a government cover-up [21552; 21554; 21557].
AARO therefore occupies a difficult position. It must investigate reports that may have implications for national security while resisting the pressure to adopt explanations that the available evidence does not establish. Its credibility depends not only on the conclusions it reaches, but also on the transparency of its methods, the quality of the data it can examine and its ability to distinguish clearly between verified findings, unresolved cases, testimony and interpretation.
The Institutional Legacy of the UAP Debate
From Cultural Curiosity to National-Security Issue
The development described in the material changed the position of UFO-related claims within public institutions. What had often been treated as a marginal or cultural subject increasingly became associated with national security, military safety and government transparency [21550; 21552; 21555].
The 2017 media coverage played an important role in this change. By presenting the issue through military encounters, government programmes and the possibility of unidentified technological threats, it created a framework in which congressional oversight and further official investigation became politically viable [21550; 21557].
This shift did not establish that the underlying claims were true. It changed the institutional setting in which those claims were discussed.
Attempts to Formalise Investigation
The creation of the UAP Task Force and, subsequently, AARO represented attempts to introduce a more systematic process for collecting and assessing reports [21552; 21557].
These organisations were intended to examine unresolved observations rather than to confirm a predetermined explanation. Their institutional purpose therefore differed from the earlier private and government-linked investigations associated with Skinwalker Ranch, where accounts of paranormal activity formed part of the programme’s reported scope [21550; 21552; 21553; 21557].
A central principle in this approach is that “unidentified” describes the status of the available information. It does not confirm that an object is extraterrestrial, non-human or otherwise extraordinary [21552; 21557].
The Continuing Dispute over Reframing
The material records the criticism that the transition from AAWSAP to the public presentation of AATIP and UAPs involved a deliberate reframing of the subject [21557]. According to this interpretation, the emphasis on military sensor data, aviation safety and national security reduced the visibility of the earlier programme’s association with paranormal claims, including those connected with Skinwalker Ranch. Supporters of this view argue that the more conventional framing made the issue politically viable. The material also discusses the allegation that approximately 97 per cent of the original story was omitted [21557]. It treats this figure as an allegation or interpretation rather than as an independently verified measurement, noting that the source does not provide a transparent basis for calculating it [21557].
The available material does not establish that the change in emphasis was the result of a coordinated effort to deceive. Editorial selection is not automatically evidence of deception, and the distinction may also reflect institutional complexity, changing responsibilities or different purposes [21557].
Conflict between Institutional Findings and Advocacy
The formalisation of UAP research did not end disagreement about the evidence. The material describes tension between AARO and some congressional advocates or UAP proponents who questioned the office’s conclusions [21557]. Critics alleged that investigators did not have access to all relevant information or that their assessments failed to account for testimony held elsewhere within the defence establishment [21557]. These claims are presented as allegations rather than as established findings.
The dispute illustrates a broader problem. If information is classified or distributed across several institutions, it may be difficult for the public to determine what evidence has been examined. A lack of visible evidence can then be interpreted in two opposing ways: as a consequence of national-security restrictions or as an indication that information is being withheld.
Institutional Authority and Evidentiary Weight
The material argues that institutional involvement can give unverified claims an appearance of credibility [21550; 21555; 21557]. Government funding, congressional attention, classified briefings and association with the Pentagon may lead audiences to assume that the underlying claims have been independently validated.
That assumption is not justified by institutional status alone. Official interest demonstrates that a matter was considered worthy of investigation or oversight. It does not establish the accuracy of a witness account, the identity of an observed object or the extraordinary explanation attached to it [21550; 21555; 21557].
This distinction is particularly important where claims involving paranormal phenomena, non-human intelligence or advanced technology are presented alongside genuine national-security concerns. The authority of the institution can otherwise become confused with the strength of the evidence.
The Risk of Institutional Blind Spots
The material also identifies a potential risk in allowing speculative explanations to dominate official attention. A focus on paranormal or extraordinary interpretations may divert attention from conventional but significant threats, including foreign surveillance platforms [21557].
Conversely, an excessive focus on conventional explanations could lead institutions to dismiss reports that deserve further investigation. The methodological challenge is therefore to avoid both premature belief and premature dismissal.
A robust process must examine the available data, identify the limitations of the evidence and keep the explanation proportionate to what has actually been established. “Unresolved” should remain a provisional description, not a synonym for “extraordinary” [21552; 21554; 21557].
Conclusion: Authority Must Not Run Ahead of Evidence
The story that begins at Skinwalker Ranch and ends in congressional hearings and classified briefings is not simply a story about UFOs. It is also a story about how extraordinary claims acquire authority, how institutional power can make unverified ideas appear credible, and why the distinction between an unexplained observation and an extraordinary explanation remains essential to serious public inquiry [21550; 21555; 21557].
The central conclusion is not that every unusual sighting has been explained, nor that the government has never concealed unusual information. It is that belief, secrecy and institutional authority can combine to produce a narrative that runs ahead of the evidence.
The appropriate response is neither to dismiss every report nor to accept every interpretation. It is to apply consistent standards of evidence, distinguish documented events from testimony and allegation, and maintain a clear separation between genuine national-security concerns and claims that remain speculative or unsupported. The most important task is not to decide whether humans are alone in the universe, but to ensure that genuine threats are not mistaken for myths — or myths mistaken for genuine threats.
Timeline
The following timeline outlines the evolution of the Pentagon's involvement with UFOs and paranormal research, moving from private investigations to taxpayer-funded programs and finally to official historical debunking.
The Private Investigation Era (1996–2006)
1996: Real estate mogul Robert Bigelow purchases Skinwalker Ranch from the Sherman family and establishes the National Institute of Discovery Sciences (NIDS) to scientifically study the reported anomalies.
1997–1998: NIDS investigators, including scientist Jacques Vallee, report a complete lack of physical UFO sightings at the ranch, noting that frequent sightings failed to materialize.
2004: Bigelow shuts down active investigations at the ranch, stating that "nothing was happening" for over two years.
2005: Scientists Colm Kelleher and journalist George Knapp publish Hunt for the Skinwalker, a book detailing sensational but unproven claims of werewolves, ghosts, and portals at the ranch.
The AAWSAP/AATIP Era (2007–2012)
2007: DIA scientist James Lacatski reads the Skinwalker book and visits the ranch, where he claims to witness a paranormal apparition.
2008: At the request of Lacatski and with the support of Senator Harry Reid, the Pentagon creates the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP).
Late 2008: The AAWSAP contract is awarded to Robert Bigelow’s company, BASS, as the sole bidder, providing $22 million in taxpayer funding to investigate both UFOs and paranormal phenomena like "monsters and ghosts".
2009: Senator Reid requests "Top Secret Special Access" status for the program using the nickname AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) to protect its activities from wider Pentagon scrutiny.
2009: Investigator Jay Stratton allegedly encounters a "werewolf" at his home after visiting Skinwalker Ranch, an incident later attributed by skeptics to a misidentified black bear.
2010: The Pentagon begins pulling AAWSAP funding after determining its reports were of "limited value".
2012: AAWSAP is officially terminated due to a lack of progress and concerns about the program's viability.
The Mainstream Rebranding (2016–2018)
April 1, 2016: Robert Bigelow sells Skinwalker Ranch to real estate mogul Brandon Fugal.
October 2017: Luis Elizondo resigns from the Pentagon, claiming a lack of support for UFO research, and joins the To The Stars Academy (TTSA).
December 16, 2017: The New York Times publishes a front-page article revealing the "Secret Pentagon UFO program" (AATIP). The article reportedly omits 97% of the original story—specifically the paranormal investigations into werewolves and ghosts—to make the subject "politically viable".
April 19, 2018: Brandon Fugal gives a briefing on Skinwalker Ranch to Senate staffers and officials, including future AARO director Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who attended as an objective third-party scientist.
The AARO and Historical Findings (2020–2024)
August 2020: The Pentagon establishes the official UAP Task Force, led by Brennan McKernan, to investigate unidentified aerial phenomena.
2022: Congress creates the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) to investigate UAP claims; Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick is appointed as its first director
December 2023: Dr. Kirkpatrick retires from AARO.
March 2024: AARO releases its Volume 1 historical report, concluding there is no evidence of aliens, alien technology, or secret government cover-ups. The report identifies that most modern UFO claims can be traced back to the same "core group" of activists.
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The UFO Lie: Shocking truth of Pentagon AAWSAP program | The Basement Office
Introduction to the UFO Phenomenon
The discussion surrounding unidentified flying objects (UFOs) has gained significant traction in recent years, particularly following revelations from whistleblowers and government officials. The narrative suggests a long-standing government acknowledgment of UFOs, with claims that the military has been encountering them regularly. This has led to the establishment of a task force aimed at investigating these phenomena, with Congress expressing a need for more transparency and information regarding UFOs.
The Origins of the Pentagon's UFO Program
In 2007, under the direction of Senator Harry Reid, the Pentagon initiated a program known as the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The program was initially shrouded in secrecy, with its first director remaining unnamed. Subsequently, Luis Elizondo, a counterintelligence official, took the helm and became the public face of the UFO narrative. AATIP was funded with $22 million, which was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow, a long-time supporter of Reid.
Bigelow has been involved in UFO research for decades, and his team included Hal Puthoff, a controversial figure with ties to the Church of Scientology and past involvement in CIA projects aimed at developing psychic spies. AATIP operated from 2007 until its funding was cut in 2012, at which point the Pentagon claimed other priorities took precedence. Despite this, Elizondo asserted that he continued the program unofficially for several years after its official termination.
Media Revelations and Public Response
Elizondo's resignation from the Pentagon in October 2017 marked a pivotal moment in the UFO narrative. Following his departure, he, along with Puthoff and others, collaborated with Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy (TTSA) to present new findings about UFOs. A press event held by TTSA introduced Elizondo to the public, where he stated that the UFO phenomenon was real. This event coincided with the release of videos showing UFOs captured by the U.S. Navy, which were subsequently reported by major news outlets, including the New York Times and Politico.
However, the media's initial reaction was mixed, often framing the story as sensational celebrity news rather than a serious national security issue. Despite this, the coverage sparked widespread interest and debate about the existence of UFOs and the government's role in investigating them.
Discrepancies in Reporting
As the story unfolded, researchers like John Greenwald began to scrutinize the details reported by various media outlets. Greenwald, who runs The Black Vault, a repository of government documents obtained through the Freedom of Information Act, identified inconsistencies in the reporting. For instance, different sources reported varying names for the AATIP program, leading to confusion about its true nature and scope.
Moreover, discrepancies in the timeline of the program's inception raised questions about the accuracy of the reporting. While the New York Times claimed AATIP began in 2007, other reports suggested it was established in 2008 or 2009, leading to further skepticism about the credibility of the information being disseminated.
Elizondo's Role and Pentagon Statements
Elizondo's role as the director of AATIP has also been a point of contention. While media outlets consistently referred to him as the program's leader, the Pentagon issued statements denying that he held any official responsibilities within AATIP. This contradiction has persisted, with the Pentagon maintaining that Elizondo's involvement was minimal, if not nonexistent.
Additionally, the release of a famous UFO video by the Pentagon, which was claimed to have been investigated by AATIP, raised further questions. The video was filmed in 2015, three years after AATIP's funding was cut, leading to speculation about the accuracy of the timeline and the claims surrounding the program.
The Role of Bigelow and the AWSAP Program
In the midst of these revelations, the relationship between Senator Reid and Robert Bigelow came under scrutiny. Critics pointed out that Bigelow's financial contributions to Reid's political campaigns raised ethical concerns about the funding and direction of the UFO research programs. The Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AWSAP), which was created around the same time as AATIP, became a focal point for understanding the broader context of government-funded UFO research.
AWSAP, unlike AATIP, was explicitly designed to investigate not only UFOs but also paranormal phenomena, including reports of ghosts and other supernatural occurrences. This aspect of the program was largely omitted from mainstream media coverage, which focused primarily on the UFO angle. The AWSAP program was eventually deemed ineffective, leading to its termination in 2012 due to a lack of substantial findings.
Confusion and Misinformation
The narrative surrounding UFOs has been further complicated by misinformation and conflicting accounts from various stakeholders. The original New York Times article, which is often credited with reigniting public interest in UFOs, has been criticized for its selective reporting. Leslie Kane, one of the article's authors, later admitted that she chose to focus solely on UFOs to lend credibility to the subject, thereby excluding other aspects of the AWSAP program that involved paranormal investigations.
This decision has led to a skewed perception of the government's UFO research efforts, with many believing that the focus was solely on aerial threats rather than a broader investigation into unexplained phenomena. The lack of transparency and clarity in reporting has perpetuated confusion and skepticism among researchers and the public alike.
Conclusion: The Future of UFO Research
As the discourse surrounding UFOs continues to evolve, it remains crucial to critically assess the information being presented. The interplay between government secrecy, media reporting, and public perception has created a complex landscape that challenges our understanding of UFO phenomena. Moving forward, it is essential to seek clarity and truth in the ongoing investigation of these mysterious occurrences, as the implications for national security and our understanding of the universe are profound.
In upcoming discussions, there will be an examination of notable UFO stories and the narratives that have shaped public perception. The journey to uncover the truth about UFOs is just beginning, and the quest for answers will undoubtedly lead to further revelations and insights.
The transcript provides a detailed narrative regarding several extraordinary claims related to unidentified flying objects (UFOs) and paranormal phenomena, though it notably does not mention specific phrases like "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." Instead, the discussion centers on the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) and its investigation into various phenomena, including paranormal activities at Skinwalker Ranch in Utah, which was described as a "paranormal Disneyland."
James Lakatsky, a figure associated with the Pentagon's UFO investigation efforts, remarked on the eclectic nature of the research, which apparently covered topics beyond mere UFOs. This includes references to unusual creatures and poltergeist activity, indicating an interest in a wide range of supernatural claims. However, the transcript does not provide specific names or detailed descriptions of fantastical entities or phenomena like "bulletproof werewolves" or "dinosaur beavers." Instead, it implies that the scope of investigations included a variety of spooky and unorthodox claims.
While the transcript articulates a sense of skepticism and confusion surrounding the narratives presented by government programs, it stops short of mentioning any concrete examples of the specific keywords requested. Therefore, key details regarding the particular paranormal events or entities that were claimed to be investigated remain unmentioned.
- [20:51] "the so-called pentagon ufo program was not just a ufo program but rather an investigation into a cornucopia of spooky and scary things including werewolves, ghosts and half dinosaur half beaver monsters."
- [21:36] "the project manager of the program referred to skinwalker ranch as a paranormal disneyland."
The transcript does not provide explicit instances where the government created or promoted "fake" UFO evidence. Instead, it discusses the complex narrative surrounding the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) without mentioning any deliberate deception or fabrication of evidence.
There is a strong focus on the discrepancies in reporting about the programs, particularly regarding their names and timelines. For example, it highlights the confusion around the naming of AATIP and AAWSAP, with different sources reporting varying names and dates related to these programs. However, it does not mention any specific activities such as "fake Special Access Programs," the planting of fake UFO photos, or the use of UFO cover stories to protect advanced military technology.
Instead, the transcript elaborates on the complexities and contradictions inherent in the government’s disclosure about these programs. It emphasizes how the initial reports, particularly the 2017 New York Times article, may have contributed to a misrepresentation of the actual activities involved in these investigations, but it stops short of asserting that any of these were fabricated or fake. Thus, key details regarding the creation or promotion of fake UFO evidence are not mentioned.
- [11:29] "you can’t be a year or two off and to this day the reported dates of the ufo program remain all over the place."
- [12:10] "the pentagon has released statements stating mr elizondo had no responsibilities with atip."
The transcript elaborates on several government programs and funding streams associated with UFO investigations, specifically mentioning the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP). Both programs were created at the behest of Senator Harry Reid, who played a pivotal role in securing funding for these initiatives, amounting to a total of $22 million.
Initially, AATIP was established to investigate unidentified aerial phenomena, but the funding was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow, who is described as a long-time supporter of Reid. BAASS was tasked with conducting research and investigations into UFOs and related phenomena. The transcript details that AAWSAP, which began in 2008, was ostensibly aimed at evaluating future aerospace technologies and potential threats, although it was indicated that the program included studies of paranormal phenomena.
Despite the allocated funding for these programs, the transcript notes that the Pentagon ultimately determined that the reports produced by AAWSAP were of limited value, leading to the discontinuation of its funding in 2012. This decision was based on the assertion that other higher-priority issues warranted the allocation of taxpayer money. The narrative raises questions regarding the effectiveness and transparency of these programs, particularly in light of their unusual investigative focus.
- [19:24] "the pentagon awarded the 22 million dollars to bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or bass."
- [22:40] "the program was terminated in 2012 due to lack of real progress and concerns about the viability of the program."
The transcript discusses the interaction between "True Believers" in UFO phenomena and U.S. government institutions, particularly Congress and the Pentagon. It indicates that there exists a dynamic where believers in UFOs have influenced perceptions and priorities within governmental structures. Following the release of the 2017 New York Times article, which reported on the existence of AATIP, there was a significant shift in how UFOs were discussed within congressional circles.
This article served as a catalyst, or a "domino" effect, leading Congress to take a more open stance on funding and supporting research into UFO phenomena. The transcript suggests that the article helped to legitimize UFO claims and enabled politicians to advocate for related research more openly, thus intertwining the belief in UFOs with official governmental discourse.
Furthermore, the narrative implies that the skepticism surrounding official data was overshadowed by sensational claims made by those who assert the existence of extraterrestrial life or advanced technology. The mention of a potential "UFO religion" infiltrating governmental bodies reflects a broader cultural acceptance of UFO narratives, which may have contributed to this shift.
However, the transcript does not provide direct evidence of such infiltration or detail specific instances where official data was ignored in favor of sensational claims. Key details regarding the mechanics of this influence remain vague, indicating that while the interaction is noted, the specifics of how it plays out in terms of policy or decisions are not fully explored.
- [27:47] "since the new york times story came out in december 2017, it’s politically viable for elected officials to come forward and say i support this kind of research."
- [28:11] "it’s another matter for a politician to say i agree with spending money to investigate places like skinwalker ranch with spooky stories of boogeymen and werewolves."
The transcript touches on several mundane or technological explanations that have been proposed to counter famous UFO sightings, though it does not delve deeply into specific instances. One notable example mentioned is the infamous blurry party balloon, which was later reported as the explanation for a large object captured in a photo displayed by former Department of Defense official Chris Mellon, who claimed it was a UFO.
Additionally, the transcript discusses a range of phenomena that have traditionally been misinterpreted as UFOs, but it does not provide specific technical explanations such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, or thermal imaging glare. Instead, it emphasizes the confusion surrounding the identification of such objects and how they are often mischaracterized in the media.
The overall tone of the transcript leans towards skepticism regarding sensational claims about UFOs, suggesting that many reported sightings could have reasonable explanations rooted in misidentification of common objects or natural phenomena. However, the transcript does not provide a comprehensive list of these mundane explanations, nor does it detail the mechanisms by which these sightings are analyzed or debunked.
- [05:44] "the ufo in the photo was later reported to just be a blurry party balloon."
- [12:56] "the department of defense released a statement saying no that video had not been cleared for public release."
[00:07] so[00:23] you are here in the middle of a domino effect one that started years ago and one that shows no sign[00:34] of stopping a bombshell story said ufos are real a whistleblower said the government knows the[00:42] military has encountered them every day for years there are videos and photos insiders say off-world[00:51] vehicles congress says we need to know more about the ufo a task force created to figure it out[00:59] are they aliens is there doubt a reports release saying maybe it's real the information comes[01:04] with an official seal a ufo office without delusions will look to the skies and find[01:10] conclusions the government seems ready for the long haul and on and on the dominoes fall[01:17] i will tell you unequivocally that there is very compelling evidence that we we may not[01:23] be alone this all seems like it's heading towards an ultimate truth no longer ignored a revelation[01:31] for better or worse will further define the universe but the story was too good to be true[01:40] the story was wrong and instead of being closer to the truth we probably couldn't be further away[02:00] for those of you unfamiliar with the current ufo story and the cast of[02:05] characters within here's a quick primer based on information that was originally reported[02:11] in 2007 at the behest of senator harry reid the pentagon via the defense intelligence agency[02:19] created a ufo program called the advanced aerospace threat identification program or[02:25] atip the first director of atip was a person whose name wasn't reported and who remained unknown the[02:33] next director of atip was luis salazando a counter intelligence official at the pentagon who by now[02:40] has become the face of the whole story atip was funded with 22 million dollars[02:47] the pentagon awarded the 22 million dollars to bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or bass[02:54] bass was contracted to perform atip's ufo research and investigation[03:00] bass was founded by millionaire and long-time harry reid financial supporter robert bigelow[03:06] bigelow's been hunting ufos his whole life within the bass team was hal put off a former member of[03:13] the church of scientology who claims to be a psychic who can predict the future[03:20] during the cold war put off was involved in the cia's project stargate which attempted[03:25] to create psychic spies that could use paranormal powers to fight the russians[03:30] stargate was shut down after not achieving this goal the rest of the bass team was largely[03:38] unknown atip investigated ufos for five years from 2007 to 2012.[03:48] in 2012 the pentagon pulled the program's funding and shut it down saying it was[03:55] determined that there were other higher priority issues that merited funding[04:00] despite losing funding luis elizondo claimed he kept atip going for years after this staying on[04:08] as the program's director on october 4th 2017 elizondo resigned from his job at the pentagon[04:16] frustrated that ufos were not taken seriously by military leaders at the department of defense[04:23] immediately after his resignation elizondo hal put off and others took the atip ufo story to former[04:31] blink 182 rock star tom de long and his to the stars academy or ttsa a for-profit science and[04:38] entertainment company on october 11th ttsa held a press event featuring tom delong lou elizondo[04:47] hal put off and other former government officials who claimed to have new revelations about ufos[04:54] the long introduced elizondo to the world for the first time my name is lou elizondo for nearly the[05:01] last decade i ran a sensitive aerospace threat identification program focusing on unidentified[05:06] aerial technologies it was in this position i learned that the phenomenon is indeed real[05:16] in addition to revealing elizondo and the pentagon ufo program de long also announced[05:22] that he was going to build an exotic craft with an energy source that can revolutionize the world[05:28] build his own ufo another presentation by former dod official chris mellon revealed a shocking[05:35] new ufo case and he displayed a large photo of the ufo at one point the object soars to 80 000[05:44] feet hovers then drops at supersonic speeds coming to a full stop how did it accomplish[05:52] these feats the ufo in the photo was later reported to just be a blurry party balloon[05:59] the mainstream media reaction to this event was couched as cheeky celebrity news rather[06:05] than science or national defense but that was all about to change on the same day he resigned[06:12] members of ttsa had introduced elizondo to ufo author and longtime ufo researcher leslie kane[06:20] she interviewed him and published two stories in the huffington post in mid-october which revealed[06:26] in a media exclusive the existence of the pentagon ufo program and elizondo's role in it however[06:34] these two stories were still mostly ignored by the mainstream media[06:40] leslie kane then reached out to long-time associate and journalist ralph blumenthal[06:44] blumenthal pitched the atip and elizondo story to the new york times[06:51] and on december 16 2017 the new york times and politico released front page bombshell[06:59] news stories that revealed the pentagon's atip ufo program to the world included in the stories[07:05] were videos of ufos filmed by the u.s navy within hours dozens of other news agencies had the story[07:14] within days hundreds the first domino had finally fallen there is very compelling evidence that[07:22] we uh we may not be alone whatever that means[07:39] but some people had doubts they noticed that something was off that some things were not[07:46] adding up one of those people was researcher john greenwald one of the nation's leading authorities[07:53] on government secrets he runs the black vault a website that hosts millions of pages of[07:59] government documents obtained via the freedom of information act when he read the december 2017 ufo[08:07] stories he immediately noticed some strange discrepancies well right off the bat i noticed[08:13] that the reporting from brian bender politico and leslie kane ralph blumenthal helene cooper at new[08:20] york times had a slightly different program name politico says advanced aviation threat[08:27] identification program new york times reports advanced aerospace threat identification program[08:33] why was there that difference the amount of sources that both news media outlets had were[08:39] very very small and likely the same so how is it that the reporting was different as the reporting[08:47] went on it got worse i mean there were like seven or eight i i lined them all up with dates and[08:54] who the the media outlet was and there were like seven different variations of what atip even stood[08:59] for and to an an investigator a researcher like myself and there's a lot of other people out there[09:05] if you're looking into something you need to have the name right because if you don't have[09:09] the name right how are you gonna find anything right because when you submit a freedom of[09:16] information act request you have to be specific with the government what you're asking for[09:22] so if you requested for the advanced aviation threat identification program they could come[09:29] back and say hey that doesn't exist absolutely because the name was wrong yep and you could[09:36] suddenly be on a goose chase looking for the truth for the real documents correct[09:42] absolutely the accuracy there was incredibly important the pentagon officially acknowledging[09:49] its advanced aviation threat identification program pentagon has confirmed the existence[09:53] of the advanced aerospace threat identification program the advanced aviation advanced aerospace[09:59] aviation aerospace aviation the advanced aerial threat identification program so the writing[10:05] was on the wall that there was something odd just behind the meaning of the acronym[10:10] another reported detail that is inconsistent was the years all this supposedly occurred[10:17] the original new york times report said the program began in 2007 but further down the same[10:23] article they report the funding and actual contract creation of the program[10:29] wasn't until late 2008. you start digging in on that and realize that the bid solicitation[10:35] was never posted for companies to bid on getting the contract wasn't posted until 2008.[10:43] yet we were led to believe that atip started in 2007. created in 2007 2007 2007. so how can you[10:52] solicit bids a year after the program allegedly started when the reporting said 22 million dollars[10:59] went to a contractor that uh started a year before the bid went in wait none of that makes sense[11:06] adding to the confusion politico's reporting released on the same day as the times with[11:12] reportedly the same sources as the times says atip began in 2009. what now in journalism[11:22] dates and names are so basic you want to get the basic names right you want to get the basic[11:29] dates right you can't be a year or two off and to this day the reported dates[11:36] of the ufo program remain all over the place generally in reporting like that[11:42] if one thing is wrong you have to ask the question what else is wrong further questions and issues[11:48] arose with lou elizondo's role with atip in hundreds of media reports elizondo is credited[11:56] as the director of atip media outlets also phrased it as he ran the program[12:02] or he was in charge of the program and elizondo without doubt is the face of this whole story now[12:10] but the pentagon has released statements stating mr elizondo had no responsibilities with atip[12:17] and this is a statement the pentagon has doubled down on and they're not budging and even now[12:24] over four years later this central part of the whole story continues to be disputed[12:32] another confusing detail is at the very top of the original times report is a video of a ufo[12:39] filmed by the us navy the times reports that atip investigated and released this now famous[12:46] video to the public yet the video was shot in 2015 atip shut down in 2012. also the department[12:57] of defense released a statement saying no that video had not been cleared for public release[13:04] and some in the media wondered how much of this was simply a so-called sweetheart deal between[13:09] senator reid and his longtime friend and financial supporter robert bigelow back in 2017 there were[13:17] a handful of journalists who pointed this out as a potential red flag public records show bigelow[13:23] contributed about twenty thousand dollars to reed and his political action committee[13:28] that campaign contributor got research contracts from this program that just is a bad picture[13:35] there are other outstanding questions confusing statements and blatant errors but despite all this[13:42] the story mostly as originally reported over four years ago mostly without any corrections[13:49] or updates or disclaimers continues to spread like wildfire and has become legendary so what you're[13:59] telling me is that ufos are real bill i think we're beyond that already i put my entire career[14:07] on the line because i believe in what i believe he ran the pentagon's top secret ufo program[14:14] i knew this was breaking news for the front page of the new york times and then bam the[14:20] new york times story it changed everything it was a bombshell right that's what it was this is too[14:26] big to turn away from this is real wake up tmz investigates i don't know if i'm going to have a[14:33] job tomorrow just for having this conversation with you ufos the pentagon proof tuesday[14:40] then in october of 2021 the plot twist[14:47] remember that unknown and unnamed individual who was the first director of the atip ufo program[14:54] well we eventually learned his name james lakatsky and after that we learned his story he's finally[15:03] come out of the shadows to set the record straight lickatsky along with colm kelleher a project[15:10] manager for the pentagon program and journalist george knapp released a book titled skinwalkers[15:16] at the pentagon an insider's account of the secret government ufo program they say the story we've[15:22] been told for over four years is wrong lickatsky's book says since the december 2017 article in the[15:31] new york times there has been a multi-year frenzy of speculation misinformation and[15:38] confusion about the nature of the program one of the purposes of this book is to correct the record[15:46] co-author colin kelleher did an interview saying the new york times article in december 2017[15:53] mistakenly used that acronym atip and they mistakenly assigned lou elizondo to be head of[16:00] this program and that you know that was a mistake in reporting by the new york times they say many[16:07] details in the original story were in error and guess what there's actually real documented[16:14] evidence to back that up and surprisingly some of these documents have been out in the public domain[16:21] for years now it's just that many people including myself didn't fully understand what they were or[16:27] how they related if at all to a pentagon ufo program called atip probably because they don't[16:34] mention anything about atip and they don't mention ufos they mention something else so i now present[16:44] to you the mostly untold and underreported story of the pentagon's assap program[16:52] in 2008 at the behest of senator harry reid the pentagon through the defense intelligence agency[17:00] created a program not called atip but rather the advanced aerospace weapon systems application[17:07] program or awsap we know this because here is the actual official pentagon document outlining awsap[17:15] not atip the director of asap was a defense intelligence agency scientist named james lakatsky[17:24] we know this because here is his name listed on official pentagon documents[17:30] as being in charge of the program[17:34] in many ways all sap started with james lakatsky according to both lakatsky and senator reid[17:41] lakatsky had approached the senator to say he believed the ufo phenomena was real and he wanted[17:48] a program to investigate not just ufos but also how ufos might fit into the realm of what we might[17:56] consider the paranormal reed told lakatsky he would support the creation of a program[18:03] but according to reed they faced a challenge how to convince congress to allocate taxpayer money[18:10] to investigate ufos could they create a ufo program without actually mentioning ufos[18:19] reid told new york magazine i said to lakatsky well if you were me what would you say to people[18:26] in power in the united states senate who have huge control over the spending of defense money[18:31] and here's what lakatsky said what i will do is prepare something for you that anyone can look[18:37] at that wants to it's strictly science he put it in scientific language what the study should[18:43] consist of here are the actual asap contract objectives there are no mentions of ufos at[18:51] all to anyone reading it it might seem like just a normal aerospace technology contract the actual[18:58] objective of the program was essentially using currently evolving technology trends predict what[19:04] kind of aerospace technologies foreign adversaries will have 40 years from now that's basically it[19:12] all sap appeared to be something normal that the government would normally spend money on[19:19] asap was funded with 22 million dollars the pentagon awarded the 22 million dollars to[19:24] bigelow aerospace advanced space studies or bass bass was contracted to perform all of[19:30] alsap's technical research and analysis we know this because here is an actual pentagon[19:36] document acknowledging bass as the contract recipient bass was founded by millionaire and[19:43] long-time harry reid financial supporter robert bigelow within the bass team was hal puthoff who[19:50] we already briefly discussed as well as other scientists with a history of unorthodox ideas[19:56] including dr colem kelleher and dr eric davis an astrophysicist who's written papers discussing[20:03] psychic teleportation time travel through stargate wormholes and bending spoons with your mind[20:12] bass hired a team of 50 people and then the work on awsap began on the surface asap[20:20] appeared to be an aerospace technology program to harry reid in his words asap was actually[20:27] a program to study ufos and related phenomena with bass however that so-called related phenomena[20:37] would take awsap in a shocking and very unexpected direction[20:45] a lot of asap's investigations took place at skinwalker ranch a supposed paranormal hot spot[20:51] in utah owned by robert bigelow as outlined in great detail on the record by lakatsky[21:00] and bass leadership the so-called pentagon ufo program was not just a ufo program but rather[21:08] an investigation into a cornucopia of spooky and scary things including werewolves ghosts[21:22] and half dinosaur half beaver monsters[21:28] literally[21:31] the project manager of the program referred to skinwalker ranch as a[21:36] paranormal disneyland so the idea was to to have a living laboratory on skinwalker ranch[21:44] that we could uh assess what was going on unusual creatures uh discarnate voices[21:51] poltergeist activity so it was a paranormal disneyland that really started the whole thing off[22:03] asap spent only one year investigating ufos ghosts and goblins before the pentagon started to pull[22:10] the plug in 2009 after reviewing ossap's reports the pentagon states that it was determined the[22:18] reports were of limited value in the december 2017 politico article a congressional staffer[22:26] is quoted as saying there was really nothing there that we could justify using taxpayer money[22:32] and that even harry reid agreed it was not worth continuing the pentagon decided not to renew all[22:40] sap's funding and shut it down completely by 2012 stating that the program was terminated[22:47] in 2012 due to lack of real progress and concerns about the viability of the program[22:54] and that it was determined that there were other higher priority issues that merited funding[23:02] james lickatsky says he spent the next few years trying to get new funding to[23:06] resurrect the dead program and to keep the paranormal investigations going[23:12] but he was unsuccessful finally lakatsky says he retired in 2016. and that is the mostly untold[23:22] story about how 22 million dollars in taxpayer money was spent on a wacky paranormal fun house[23:32] and it appears that at the time the pentagon had no idea this silly spooky stuff was even happening[23:39] how is that possible well lakatsky the pentagon director of the program says that for security[23:46] reasons he was hiding awesapp's activities from officials at the pentagon people in my own office[23:54] they didn't know what we were doing they had no idea that i was running skinwalker ranch[24:01] they had no idea whatsoever and was harry reid aware of the ghosts and goblins well i guess[24:08] it depends on which version of his story you want to believe in 2018 in an interview with[24:15] new york magazine re-denied ever being briefed or updated on any of asap's activities ever[24:25] ever but then in 2021 reed told george knapp that not only was he aware of asap's activities[24:33] at skinwalker ranch but that he was potentially planning to go to the ranch himself i remember[24:40] getting a call from you while you're in the well of the senate and you asked about[24:44] skinwalker ranch whether your staffers should go there whether they'd be safe[24:48] did you consider sending some of your people to the ranch and did you ever consider going there[24:52] yourself i considered it but based on information i got from you and others i decided not to go[25:00] it would also have drawn attention to the ranch and the program right if you went there you'd[25:04] have to tell somebody about it that's for sure and senator reid would eventually fully endorse[25:10] this whole crazy story two months before his death by writing the forward to lakatsky's book[25:19] in it he calls out the new york times the december 2017 new york times story has done a tremendous[25:26] amount of good but unfortunately it has also muddied the waters it left the government's[25:32] all-sap program completely out of the narrative yeah why wasn't any of this stuff reported in[25:39] that bombshell 2017 new york times article how did a story about a program called ossap[25:47] which investigated ufos werewolves ghosts goblins become a story about a program called[25:54] atip which only investigated ufos well leslie kane is a long time ufo believer and ufo researcher[26:04] writing ufo stories going back decades she wrote a bestselling book on ufos in 2010 and it was[26:12] leslie kane who approached ralph blumenthal to pitch the big ufo story to the new york times[26:18] she was one of the authors of the new york times article in a recent showtime documentary[26:24] leslie kane was asked why stories about alleged encounters with alien creatures were not included[26:30] in her 2017 new york times article and she replied that her specific goal with that article[26:38] was to give ufos credibility so she avoided reporting on some things i chose not to focus[26:45] on it because the angle that i was taking in my reporting was to try to get credibility for the[26:50] subject and i knew that that was not the way to go that was not the first step in terms of getting[26:55] people to accept this so an author of the original new york times article the article that was the[27:01] first domino to fall in all of this says she wrote the article with a specific angle in mind[27:09] get people to accept ufos as real that sounds like the goal of an activist not a journalist[27:15] but i see where she's coming from because could you imagine if that first new york times article[27:21] had talked about werewolves and poltergeists and giant dino beavers it would have been laughed at[27:27] and ridiculed and used as a prime example of the government wasting taxpayer money[27:33] but because all of that wasn't mentioned and only unidentified flying objects were that new york[27:39] times article continues to validate ufos with not just your average citizen but also with members of[27:47] congress since the new york times story came out december 2017 it's politically viable for elected[27:55] officials to come forward and say i support this kind of research but if you that's for researching[28:01] things in the sky that might be a threat to national security or the aviation safety[28:05] it's another matter for a politician to say i agree with spending money to investigate[28:11] places like skinwalker ranch with spooky stories of boogeymen and werewolves no politician is going[28:17] to fund poltergeist research or looking into werewolves they'd be crucified so how much of[28:23] the actual story did the original new york times article report how much of the actual story is[28:30] currently influencing congress the scope of the asap program was gigantic compared to the small[28:37] sliver information that was reported from the via the new york times and so the purpose of the book[28:44] was really to set the record straight i think the book really encapsulates about 97 percent of asap[28:52] whereas the three percent was what the new york times article had uh had described 3 according to[29:00] those actually in charge of the actual program the original new york times article about the program[29:07] only contains 3 percent of the actual story 97 wasn't included so let's talk about the three[29:15] percent that was it was originally reported that the name of the program was a tip and it was led[29:23] by a guy named lou elizondo so first where the heck did the name atip come from in his book[29:31] program director james lecatsky writes atip was a made-up substitute name to describe asap a made-up[29:40] name so he's saying that a-tip a-tip didn't even exist that a-tip itself was a nickname and only[29:48] a nickname to the ossap program so they were the exact same thing atip was just a nickname[29:55] asap being the program the program was nicknamed advanced aerospace threat identification[30:01] program atem people have trouble trying to get documents out of the pentagon by saying they want[30:08] all documents in atip and they have a hard time because that wasn't actually the name of the[30:13] program the top name there is the actual name of the program but atip was with the nickname[30:18] that it went by and even harry reid and the pentagon have previously agreed with this[30:24] reed stated in an interview that atip and ossap should be considered together when researcher[30:31] roger glissell asked about the names atip and asap a pentagon spokeswoman replied that they were the[30:38] same program and that asap was just an alternative name for atip so how did atip become a nickname[30:46] for asap well remember how lakatsky said he was hiding asap from other officials at the pentagon[30:54] how according to lekatsky they had no idea whatsoever about asap's activities[31:00] in their book the authors say senator reid and those working at skinwalker ranch were worried[31:07] that asap's activities would eventually come to light as such senator reid submitted a request[31:14] that asap be given top secret special access status which if approved would have officially[31:22] limited how many people had access and control over the program here is the special access[31:29] request letter submitted by senator harry reid to deputy secretary of defense william lynn in 2009[31:36] but instead of saying awsap the actual program name reed used the nickname atip but reed's plan[31:45] to protect osap apparently backfired his request was denied and his letter was widely distributed[31:54] within the pentagon the cat was out of the bag suddenly the rest of the pentagon which had no[32:02] idea that this program was underway they had no idea suddenly everyone knows about it and they[32:07] start asking questions gosh what if this gets out that we're involved in study of ufos and[32:12] ghosts and creatures so two things appear to have happened here one reed's letter was the first time[32:20] many within the pentagon had even heard about this program and reid's letter used the nickname atip[32:27] so according to those who were previously in the dark about all this atip was the name of[32:33] the program two the pentagon didn't want this embarrassing story spreading outside the pentagon[32:41] they didn't want it in the press and they didn't want speeches in congress about government waste[32:46] so they moved to shut it all down the new yorker quotes a pentagon official saying[32:52] people worried that if all this came out that the government was spending money on this this will be[32:58] a bad story the pentagon pulled all sapp's funding in 2010 and by 2012 the funding had completely[33:06] dried up and asap was officially dead but despite the program being shut down lou elizondo who had[33:14] become interested in the ufo aspects of asap claims he kept the effort going at the pentagon[33:21] according to james lakatsky elizondo adopted and appropriated the name atip to describe this[33:29] new small unfunded and unofficial effort lickatsky has only done a handful of interviews since going[33:38] public here's a revelatory clip from one of them on the coast-to-coast radio show[33:43] where he specifically addresses this the atip name was created for a letter that senator reid sent in[33:53] trying to establish a dod sap for our program for various reasons uh and lou used that name when he[34:04] and i guess it had to be in the time frame of 2012 and he used the name atip nothing wrong[34:13] with that i mean that's that's fine but there was a difference between the two programs ours had 22[34:20] million dollars in funding his had zero but he did his thing we did ours but[34:27] i can say that we were the only game in town so what did lou elizondo actually do you know[34:35] the guy who everyone refers to as the director of atip the pentagon ufo program luis elizondo[34:43] former director of the pentagon's advanced aerospace threat identification program[34:48] luis elizondo ran the advanced aviation threat identification program the man who ran that secret[34:54] program luis elizondo thank you for joining us was he even involved in the official pentagon program[35:00] at all in the 221-page book about the pentagon ufo program elizondo appears one time that's a bit[35:10] strange right one time at a 2009 dinner sitting at a table with members of assap and bass[35:19] where the authors claim he was telling war stories about his psychic powers that's it well elizondo[35:28] himself has stated multiple times on the record that he had nothing to do with asap including this[35:35] emphatic tweet which says it's been brought to my attention that despite my constant assertion in[35:41] the media about my non-involved in asap some are under the false impression that i was part of it[35:49] for the record again and again i was not part of assap elizondo instead says he was in charge[35:57] of the pentagon's atip program which i think we've established probably didn't even exist[36:03] insiders say it was not an official program it was a completely separate small initiative[36:10] a small unofficial effort not a program as the p and a tip suggests but more in his spare time[36:19] when his normal day job allowed he looked for ufos there are two pieces of documentation that further[36:26] supports this one is an email from the year 2020 released via the freedom of information act to[36:33] john greenwald in it elizondo is challenging the pentagon press office regarding their statements[36:39] denying his role with atip elizondo concedes that his atip could be defined more as simply[36:46] an activity versus an actual program the second is an annual pentagon evaluation of elizondo from the[36:54] year 2016. it outlines all his officially assigned responsibilities at the pentagon[37:01] none of which have to do with ufos or anything called atip so with all that in mind[37:08] let's look again at the pentagon's official statement regarding elizondo[37:16] that appears to be a true statement[37:20] in april 2022 brian bender the author of the original 2017 politico article[37:27] tweeted that he now feels like he was purposely misled by numerous sources on what atip really was[37:34] and wasn't in response to a twitter user stating seems clear that they wanted to gloss over the[37:41] paranormal stuff which is like where all the money really went bender replied 100 they buried the[37:48] origin story because they were afraid it would be perceived as a utter waste of taxpayer money[37:54] it would have also further soured the whole effort given the bigelow connection to harry reid[38:00] it was a pork project to investigate voodoo that morphed into ufos and regarding myself[38:08] and all the basement office episodes i've made about atip and elizondo[38:12] i was apparently wrong it wasn't intentional but in an honest attempt to report the truth[38:20] about the pentagon ufo program i too feel like i was purposely misled[38:27] as for elizondo he along with other former members of tom delong's to the stars academy[38:34] have been lobbying congress to spend more money on ufos they say the original new york times article[38:41] continues to influence congressional leaders since many of the paranormal aspects weren't included[38:47] in that story chris mellon the guy who once stood in front of a gigantic photo[38:52] of a blurry party balloon admits that telling congress about asap would be counter productive[39:01] their efforts appear to have paid off bipartisan congressional leaders like senators kristin[39:06] gillibrand and marco rubio helped create a new ufo program at the pentagon the new program is called[39:14] the airborne object identification and management synchronization group and another domino falls[39:26] i'm gonna leave you with one more thing lou elizondo said he had nothing to do with asap[39:34] nothing to do with the werewolves and ghosts and goblins nothing to do with asap[39:41] in may 2021 elizondo filed a complaint with the department of defense inspector general's office[39:49] written in his own words signed with his signature elizondo's complaint accuses some of the pentagon[39:56] of smearing his reputation by releasing statements denying his involvement as director of atip[40:02] in his complaint which i obtained a copy of he outlines in detail each and every role he claims[40:10] to have had from 2008 to 2017. in 2008 he says he joined james lakatsky[40:18] on awsap his role was in his words asap's chief of counterintelligence and security from 2008 to 2010[40:29] elizondo describes his various duties with allset including reviewing incoming reports from bass[40:36] in april 2010 he writes dr lakatsky approached me and asked if i would consider assuming the[40:42] role of asap an atip director and in may 2010 he says his new role was director for atip and asap[41:04] i think we should stop and ask ourselves how did we get here what stories brought us here[41:14] who told those stories are we closer to the truth or are we further away perhaps to find[41:26] the answer instead of waiting for the next domino to drop maybe there's only one thing left to do[41:49] a true story will stand the test of time[41:54] change one thing and it can look completely different like something else all together[42:04] if you went back and re-followed the evidence would the story sound the same[42:12] would it look the same would you see something different something new[42:20] something that was always right there right in front of you[42:33] you are here at the beginning[42:40] over the next few episodes we will go back to re-examine and reassess some of the most[42:46] incredible ufo stories ever told the only question is where will this new journey take us[43:02] so let's begin[43:42] you
UFO "religion" influencing Congress to hunt aliens, says top Pentagon official
The recent retirement of the director of the Pentagon's UFO investigation office has stirred significant discussion and controversy. This individual, who held a top-secret position, publicly stated that during his tenure, he found no evidence supporting the existence of aliens in our skies. He accused a small faction of religious UFO conspiracists of misleading Congress with false narratives, a claim that aligns with the investigative reports published by the New York Post over the past two years. This video aims to delve into exclusive comments from Shan Kirkpatrick, the former director of the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), who resigned after uncovering troubling information regarding UFO investigations.
Kirkpatrick's role involved scrutinizing unidentified flying objects (UFOs) to ascertain their nature. His resignation was prompted by unsettling discoveries during his 18-month tenure. The video also features insights from various congressional members who have been actively pursuing UFO-related inquiries. For a comprehensive background, viewers are encouraged to explore the detailed New York Post article and the accompanying investigative documentary linked in the description.
The narrative surrounding UFOs gained traction following a December 2017 New York Times article that revealed a secret Pentagon program dedicated to investigating UFOs. This article featured Lou Elizondo, who claimed to have led the program for years. His subsequent appearance on CNN suggested that compelling evidence indicated humanity might not be alone in the universe. The article sparked widespread media attention, prompting Congress to seek answers and leading to the establishment of a UFO task force.
However, in May 2022, a New York Post report challenged the veracity of the New York Times article, labeling it as erroneous and misleading. The report revealed that Elizondo was not the head of a Pentagon UFO program, and the program itself was non-existent. The article was co-authored by UFO activists, including Leslie Kean, who later confessed that her primary aim was to lend credibility to UFOs rather than strictly report facts. Despite these revelations, mainstream media largely ignored the findings, continuing to propagate sensationalized UFO stories.
In July 2022, bipartisan congressional leaders initiated a new Pentagon UFO program, AARO, with Kirkpatrick appointed as its director. Questions arose regarding his affiliations with the aforementioned group of UFO activists. A subsequent article in March 2023 by the New York Post further exposed the connections between these activists and the government, revealing that some officials had overlooked foreign surveillance activities while pursuing UFO phenomena.
The situation escalated in June 2023 when David Grusch, a U.S. Air Force reservist, publicly claimed that the government possessed alien spacecraft and bodies, although he admitted he had never seen them himself. His assertions were based on information relayed to him by a network of individuals, many of whom were linked to the same group of UFO activists. The media quickly amplified Grusch's claims, failing to scrutinize his associations with these controversial figures.
In July 2023, Grusch testified before Congress, reiterating that his statements were based on secondhand information. Congress, seemingly unaware of the dubious connections surrounding Grusch, continued to investigate his allegations. Senator Chuck Schumer introduced new legislation regarding UFOs, which reportedly drew input from the same group of activists, including Grusch, further entrenching the ties between congressional actions and UFO advocacy.
In December 2023, Kirkpatrick, now a private citizen, publicly articulated his findings from his time at AARO. He asserted that he had never encountered evidence of extraterrestrial life and emphasized that the sensational claims presented to Congress stemmed from a network of paranormal activists. Kirkpatrick's op-ed in Scientific American highlighted the overwhelming influence of unsupported claims on public perception and policy-making, suggesting that taxpayer funds were misallocated towards investigating paranormal phenomena rather than legitimate national security concerns.
Throughout his tenure, Kirkpatrick attempted to approach the UFO issue scientifically but faced challenges from sensational narratives that dominated public discourse. He pointed out that a core group of individuals had been pushing these narratives for decades, often leading to the misallocation of resources and attention away from genuine threats, such as foreign espionage.
In his discussions, Kirkpatrick refrained from naming specific individuals but acknowledged a broader conspiracy among UFO believers to involve the government in alien investigations. He expressed skepticism that any evidence he could present would sway these believers, likening their convictions to a religious faith that dismisses critical thinking. The implications of Kirkpatrick's statements suggest a significant infiltration of UFO belief into governmental processes, raising questions about the integrity of congressional investigations into UFOs.
Following Kirkpatrick's revelations, the UFO community reacted with hostility, accusing him of being part of a cover-up. His op-ed linked to previous reports, igniting conspiracy theories about collusion between him and the media. Despite attempts to engage with Kirkpatrick for commentary, he declined further interviews until after his report was submitted to Congress, indicating a cautious approach to media engagement.
As Kirkpatrick's final report is anticipated, it promises to unveil further uncomfortable truths about the UFO narrative and the individuals driving it. The ongoing discourse surrounding UFOs remains contentious, with activists and lawmakers continuing to grapple with the implications of Kirkpatrick's findings and the broader societal impact of UFO beliefs.
In reviewing the provided transcript, there is no mention of specific bombshell claims or paranormal events such as "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." The focus of the discussion revolves primarily around the investigations into UFOs by the Pentagon and the claims made by various individuals associated with the UFO community. The contents of the transcript lean heavily towards the skepticism of such claims, especially highlighting the lack of credible evidence supporting the existence of extraterrestrial life or the phenomena associated with it. Notably, the former director of the Pentagon's UFO office, Shan Kirkpatrick, asserts that there is no evidence of aliens or UFOs being of extraterrestrial origin.
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- [11:38] "There is no evidence of extraterrestrials there is no evidence of aliens."
The transcript discusses instances where the government allegedly promoted or created "fake" UFO evidence. It notes that a small group of individuals associated with the UFO community has been accused of duping Congress with deceptive narratives surrounding UFOs. The speaker highlights that the 2017 New York Times article, which sparked significant interest in UFOs, was co-authored by UFO activists whose motivations were not solely based on factual reporting but rather aimed at giving credibility to UFO phenomena. This includes references to misleading claims that led to Congressional inquiries and the establishment of government programs that might not have been genuinely grounded in scientific research.
Moreover, the transcript indicates a broader concern regarding the influence of these activists on government decision-making, suggesting that they have prioritized sensational claims over credible evidence. However, specific examples of "fake Special Access Programs" or the planting of fake UFO photos at Area 51 tourist spots are not mentioned in the provided text.
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- [12:12] "The key purveyors of this narrative have known one another for decades a group of individuals associated with businessman and longtime ethologist Robert Bigalow."
The transcript identifies several government programs and funding streams related to UFO investigations. Notably, it mentions the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which was created following Congressional interest in UFOs. The transcript also references the Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), both of which were established to investigate aerial phenomena that could pose national security threats.
Furthermore, it highlights the substantial funding that was allocated for UFO investigations, particularly the $22 million obtained by Senator Harry Reid, which was directed towards Robert Bigelow for the purpose of researching "spooky things." This funding and the establishment of such programs are presented as part of the ongoing interest and inquiry into unidentified aerial phenomena, despite the skepticism expressed by some officials regarding the validity of claims made about UFOs.
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- [02:18] "Congress started asking questions demanding answers officials at the Pentagon held top secret briefings with members of Congress about UFOs."
- [04:01] "A new Pentagon UFO program called the all Domain Anomaly Resolution Office or Arrow"
The transcript discusses the interaction between "True Believers" in UFO phenomena and U.S. government institutions, particularly Congress and the Pentagon. It describes a phenomenon referred to as a "UFO religion" that has allegedly infiltrated these institutions, suggesting that there is a community of advocates and activists pushing for the recognition and investigation of UFOs based on sensational claims, rather than scientific evidence. This infiltration is exemplified by the widespread attention garnered by the 2017 New York Times article, which is framed as a catalyst that led Congress to prioritize sensational narratives over official data.
Shan Kirkpatrick, the director of the Pentagon's UFO office, expressed that during his tenure, efforts to provide scientific clarity were overshadowed by unsupported claims that captivated policymakers and the public alike. The transcript emphasizes the repetitive nature of these claims, which are traced back to a core group of activists who have been active for decades, promoting narratives that have influenced legislative actions and public opinion.
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- [11:41] "All of the wild and crazy claims that Congress has heard over the last 6 years all go back to the same group of paranormal activists."
- [12:10] "Our efforts were ultimately overwhelmed by sensational but unsupported claims that ignored contradictory evidence yet captured the attention of policy makers and the public."
The transcript provides some mundane or technological explanations to counter the most famous UFO sightings, particularly emphasizing how misidentified objects and phenomena can account for what are often considered unexplained aerial phenomena. While specific examples such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, or thermal imaging glare are not explicitly mentioned, the transcript suggests that many sightings have been attributed to foreign spycraft, particularly in light of recent incidents involving Chinese surveillance activities.
Kirkpatrick's assertions indicate that some objects previously thought to be UFOs were, in fact, foreign technology, which highlights the potential for misinterpretation of data. The emphasis is placed on the notion that the real focus should be on credible data and scientific investigation rather than sensational claims about extraterrestrial encounters.
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- [04:58] "Some of these objects were foreign in spycraft."
- [05:03] "In the wake of the big Chinese spy balloon story, this was a huge revelation."
[00:00] the director of the pentagon's UFO[00:02] investigation office recently retired[00:05] went public and dropped some bombs he[00:08] says during his time investigating UFOs[00:11] at the Pentagon with top secret access[00:14] to everything he saw no evidence of[00:18] aliens flying around our skies and he[00:22] says a small group of religious UFO[00:25] conspiracists have spent years duping[00:29] Congress with false and deceptive[00:32] stories and that supports and validates[00:37] what I've been reporting at the post for[00:39] the last 2 years in this video I'm going[00:43] to share new exclusive comments from[00:46] Shan[00:47] Kirkpatrick a scientist who for the last[00:50] 18 months was the director of the[00:53] pentagon's all domain anomaly resolution[00:56] office his job was to look for UFOs and[01:00] try to figure out what they are he[01:02] recently resigned from the Pentagon[01:05] after discovering some unsettling[01:08] information I also have new exclusive[01:11] comments from members of Congress who[01:14] have also been hunting[01:16] UFOs if you want the full backstory with[01:19] all the gritty details read my big New[01:22] York Post article or watch my[01:24] investigative documentary both are[01:27] linked in the description below in[01:30] December 2017 the New York Times front[01:33] paged a story about UFOs and a Secret[01:38] Pentagon program that investigated them[01:41] profiled in this story was a guy named[01:43] Lou elzando who claimed to have run this[01:47] secret program for the Pentagon for[01:49] years elzando went on CNN the following[01:52] day to announce that we may not be alone[01:56] there is very compelling evidence that[01:58] we uh we may not be alone the story went[02:02] viral around the world everywhere[02:06] hundreds if not thousands of headlines[02:09] copied and pasted the story from the New[02:12] York Times this obviously captured the[02:15] attention of Congress who started asking[02:18] questions demanding answers officials at[02:22] the Pentagon held top secret briefings[02:25] with members of Congress about[02:27] UFOs and a UFO test TK force was[02:31] created but in May 2022 I released a[02:35] report at the New York Post that exposed[02:38] the New York Times article as being[02:40] wrong false erroneous and intentionally[02:45] deceptive my report revealed that Lou[02:48] alzando was not the head of a pentagon[02:51] UFO program and in fact that UFO program[02:55] didn't even exist that New York Times[02:58] article had been co-authored by two UFO[03:02] activists one of them in particular[03:04] lesie Kaine would later admit that her[03:07] main goal with that article wasn't[03:09] necessarily to report the facts but to[03:12] give UFOs credibility elzando and Kain[03:16] were both intimately connected to this[03:19] small group of UFO and paranormal[03:22] activists both inside and outside[03:25] government but despite the Bombshells[03:28] revealed in my report[03:30] 0% of the other mainstream news media[03:33] covered this asked about it looked into[03:36] it they just continued to churn out[03:39] credulous headlines about UFOs and[03:42] aliens and thus The Dominoes just kept[03:45] falling in July 2022 bipartisan[03:49] Congressional leaders like Senators[03:51] Kirsten gilbran and Marco Rubio helped[03:54] create a new Pentagon UFO program called[03:58] the all Dom main anomaly resolution[04:01] office or Arrow placed in charge of[04:05] Arrow was a scientist named sha[04:08] Kirkpatrick and there were some who[04:10] wondered who is this guy is he part of[04:14] this small group of activists or was he[04:17] independent of this group in March 2023[04:21] I released a lengthy article in the New[04:24] York Post again exposing this group of[04:28] paranormal activists I found new[04:30] documented evidence dug up more leads[04:33] connected more dots and what I[04:36] discovered was that some of these[04:37] activists inside government had missed[04:41] foreign spycraft over American skies for[04:45] years because they were instead chasing[04:49] spooky UFOs they thought what they were[04:52] seeing was something other their worldly[04:54] when in fact we now know some of these[04:58] objects were foreign in spycraft in the[05:01] wake of the big Chinese spy balloon[05:03] story this was a huge Revelation a huge[05:06] bombshell but again the mainstream news[05:09] media other than one reporter at the[05:12] Washington examiner doesn't cover it[05:14] doesn't pick it up doesn't ask about it[05:17] doesn't look into it they just keep[05:19] churning out more and more credulous[05:21] stories about[05:22] UFOs a new piece to all of this that I[05:25] revealed is how the UFO story is[05:28] directly connected to a spooky property[05:31] in Utah called skin walker Ranch which[05:35] for years has been claimed to be home to[05:38] UFOs Bigfoot ghosts Monsters of all[05:42] types I went out to Skinwalker Ranch and[05:45] debunked it there's nothing there I[05:48] connected the dots I put names to faces[05:51] and was able to create this family tree[05:53] of sorts of these activists who for[05:56] years and in some cases decades have[05:59] been telling the same tall tales in[06:02] order to get taxpayer money to[06:04] investigate the[06:06] Paranormal again no one else covers this[06:09] no one else picks this up in June 2023 a[06:14] US Air Force reservist named David grush[06:17] went public claiming that the government[06:19] is in possession of alien spacecraft and[06:23] alien bodies no kidding non-human exotic[06:28] origin vehicle tools that have either[06:30] landed or crashed of course he says he's[06:32] never actually seen the aliens himself[06:35] he just heard about the aliens from a[06:38] certain group of people that he trusts[06:41] do you want to guess who this group[06:44] is yes grush is friends with Associates[06:49] of and close to many of the same people[06:53] from this same group of paranormal[06:56] activists the same group of people who[06:59] have been doing this for years now Lou[07:03] elzando whose claims I've debunked Jay[07:06] Stratton former Pentagon official SL[07:09] Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunter Travis[07:12] Taylor former Pentagon official the star[07:15] of the Skinwalker Ranch show on the[07:17] History Channel George knp Merchant of[07:20] all things spooky Jeremy Corbell a UFO[07:25] celebrity who's been caught many times[07:27] promoting fake and false false UFO[07:30] stories and the article that revealed[07:33] David grush and his claims to the world[07:37] was written by the same exact UFO[07:41] activist that co-authored the false[07:45] erroneous deceptive 2017 New York Times[07:48] story lesie Kaine and Ralph[07:51] Blumenthal the media of course eats all[07:54] of this up they headline all of gush's[07:56] claims his story goes viral it's just an[08:00] alien in UFO Fest and no one is diving[08:03] into gr's association with these dubious[08:06] characters this group of activists well[08:09] except for me at the post which is just[08:13] crazy because it wasn't like these[08:14] people were being private and secretive[08:17] about their association with grush Lou[08:20] alzando tweeted that grush was a close[08:22] associate and a friend Eric Davis former[08:26] Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunter was on[08:28] Facebook saying how he and grush had[08:30] known each other for years grush had[08:33] appeared in public at UFO conventions[08:36] with the likes of J Stratton Travis[08:38] Taylor George knap Jeremy Corbell it's[08:41] all right there in front of you to[08:43] anyone who looks but no one was looking[08:46] the next month July 2023 David grush[08:50] testifies before Congress about the[08:52] aliens and again he says my testimony[08:56] isn't based on something that I have[08:58] seen or witness myself my testimony is[09:01] based on information I've been given by[09:03] individuals my testimony is based on[09:06] information I was given from a group of[09:10] people the same group of people some of[09:15] whom were literally sitting right behind[09:18] him of course Congress isn't aware of[09:21] all of this they still think the 2017[09:23] New York Times article is legit is[09:26] accurate a groundbreaking 2017 New York[09:29] Times report Leslie Kane um from New[09:32] York Times article and I would encourage[09:33] everybody to read that they apparently[09:36] don't know about this group they[09:37] apparently don't know about these[09:39] relationships and that all of this has[09:41] been going on and so Congress continues[09:44] to move forward looking into David[09:46] gush's allegations because they think[09:50] maybe the aliens are there also in July[09:54] Senator Chuck Schumer submitted to[09:56] Congress new proposed legislation[09:59] about UFOs Schumer's far-reaching 64[10:04] page proposed legislation included[10:07] mentions of flying saucers nonhuman[10:11] intelligence and provided the federal[10:13] government with new eminent domain[10:16] powers that would allow them to acquire[10:19] potential alien spacecraft and alien[10:22] bodies well guest who reportedly helped[10:25] Schumer write this new legislation the[10:29] legislation was drafted with input from[10:32] Jay Stratton Travis Taylor Luis[10:36] elzando the most involved with the[10:38] drafting was David[10:41] grush the same people from the same[10:45] group in December of 2023 Kirk Patrick[10:49] retired from the Pentagon now a private[10:52] citizen he was finally able to speak in[10:55] more detail about what he had discovered[10:58] during his time as director of arrow in[11:02] January of 2024 Kirk Patrick released a[11:06] scathing oped in Scientific American[11:10] where he says during his time in his[11:12] lofty position as the head of the[11:15] pentagon's UFO investigation office he[11:19] says he never saw any evidence that any[11:23] UFOs are[11:25] alien but more importantly he finally[11:28] said what I've been reporting for years[11:31] that all of the wild and crazy claims[11:35] that Congress has heard over the last 6[11:37] years all go back to the same group of[11:41] paranormal activists Kirk Patrick says[11:44] during his 18 months as the head of[11:46] Arrow he tried to approach the issue[11:49] from a scientific point of view but says[11:52] quote our efforts were ultimately[11:55] overwhelmed by Sensational but[11:57] unsupported claims that ignored[12:00] contradictory evidence yet captured the[12:02] attention of policy makers and the[12:05] public driving legislative battles and[12:07] dominating the public narrative he says[12:10] the key purveyors of this narrative have[12:12] known one another for decades a group of[12:16] individuals associated with businessman[12:19] and longtime ethologist Robert Bigalow[12:21] taxpayer money was being inappropriately[12:24] spent on paranormal research at[12:27] Skinwalker Ranch if if you've read my[12:29] reporting or watched my investigative[12:31] documentaries you know about Robert[12:33] Bigalow in Skinwalker Ranch Kirk Patrick[12:37] also did a podcast with CNN's Peter[12:39] Bergen in which he continued to[12:42] emphasize that a quote Core group of[12:45] people are the ones that have been[12:47] pushing all this they're some of the[12:49] same people that have been working[12:50] behind the scenes with Congress to write[12:52] legislation they're the same people that[12:55] have been influencing some of these[12:57] whistleblowers that have come forward[12:59] Kirk Patrick declined to actually name[13:02] anyone in this group and he says his[13:05] final report that he wrote as head of[13:07] Arrow will be delivered to the public[13:10] and Congress soon he says more details[13:13] will be revealed but he did agree with[13:15] Peter Bergen when he said that the[13:18] actual conspiracy is being carried out[13:21] by a group of True Believers to get the[13:23] government involved in the business of[13:26] investigating aliens the best thing that[13:28] could have happened in this job is I[13:30] found the aliens and I could have rolled[13:33] them out but there's none there is no[13:36] evidence of extraterrestrials there is[13:38] no evidence of aliens but Kirk Patrick[13:41] says none of that will probably convince[13:44] the UFO True Believers there is[13:46] absolutely nothing that I'm going to do[13:49] say or produce evidentially that is[13:51] going to make the True Believers convert[13:54] it's basically a religion a religious[13:57] belief that trans sends critical[13:59] thinking and rational thought so the guy[14:03] who was at the top of all of this at the[14:06] Pentagon is saying that a UFO religion[14:09] has infiltrated the United States[14:11] government has infiltrated the United[14:14] States Congress why aren't more people[14:16] talking about this Kirk Patrick's oped[14:20] in podcast sent shock waves through the[14:22] UFO Community many UFO activists are[14:26] accusing Kirk Patrick as being part of a[14:29] conspiracy to cover up aliens but it[14:33] gets weirder than that in Kirk Patrick's[14:36] uped as he's outlining his case his[14:40] article links to outside third-party[14:43] supportive articles one of the links[14:46] where he's talking about how this group[14:48] is connected to Skinwalker Ranch links[14:52] to my March 2023 New York Post article[14:56] this of course started a whole explosion[14:59] of online conspiracy theories UFO[15:03] activists were suddenly claiming that[15:05] this link to my story proved that I was[15:07] in cahoots with Sean Kirkpatrick and[15:10] that Kirk Patrick and Steven Green[15:12] Street had been working together[15:14] nefariously behind the scenes there are[15:17] accusations all over social media that I[15:21] am a government plant a CIA agent a man[15:25] in Black a whole bunch of crazy stuff[15:29] the truth is while Kirk Patrick was at[15:32] the Pentagon I requested comment from[15:35] him multiple times I was denied every[15:38] time I requested an interview with him I[15:41] was denied every time the first time I[15:44] was actually able to communicate with[15:46] Shan Kirk Patrick was after his oped he[15:50] replied to one of my emails in which I[15:52] was asking hey I noticed you linked to[15:55] my article so I assume you're familiar[15:57] with my report reporting Kirk Patrick[16:00] responded my apologies but I have not[16:02] read your work the links were included[16:05] by Scientific American to point to other[16:07] reporting and is not meant to be either[16:10] an endorsement or represent my agreement[16:13] I appreciate your interest but I am not[16:15] taking more interviews until after my[16:17] report is delivered to Congress so[16:19] Kirkpatrick apparently hasn't read my[16:23] reporting but he's apparently come to[16:25] the same conclusions as my reporting no[16:29] evidence of aliens and a group of[16:31] activists telling Tall Tales to Congress[16:35] UFO Believers however are angry kpatrick[16:38] is a piece of dog they still right now[16:42] as I speak are posting wild outrageous[16:46] conspiracy theories all over social[16:49] media one religious UFO believer said[16:51] that Kirk Patrick and I should be tried[16:54] for treason and executed that may may[16:58] sound like the rantings of a random[17:01] crazy person but many UFO activists some[17:05] of them with large followings are using[17:08] violent and warlike language in their[17:11] fanatical UFO Call to Arms Jeremy[17:15] Corbell for example a largely popular[17:18] UFO celebrity who plays a major role in[17:21] influencing members of Congress and who[17:24] the news media uncritically platforms[17:27] sometimes every day has tweeted that[17:31] this is a war a UFO Vietnam that his[17:35] followers should get mad rage and[17:40] weaponize and he says that he won't stop[17:43] fighting for UFOs until the bodies hit[17:46] the floor and he warns UFO debunkers to[17:52] beware beware[17:54] debunkers beware because this[17:57] information is coming coming out this is[17:59] the tip of the spear but I ain't stop[18:01] until I see the body H the[18:03] floor this is disturbing and unsettling[18:07] stuff unhinged wacky stuff that used to[18:11] be reserved for the dark corners of the[18:13] internet or conspiracy blogs but here it[18:17] is front and center on mainstream news[18:20] channels platformed with little to no[18:24] push back inquiry or proper critique[18:27] Corbell was on TV yesterday he'll[18:30] probably be on TV tomorrow joining us[18:33] now my friend Jeremy Corbell friend of[18:36] the show this is like the Twilight Zone[18:39] well I thought I'd reach out to Congress[18:41] and ask them if they think they've been[18:44] duped by a religious UFO group I reached[18:48] out to Marco Rubio and Kirsten gilbran[18:51] who both spearheaded the creation of[18:53] Arrow the pentagon's UFO office I'd[18:56] previously reached out to senator[18:58] gilbran multiple times over the last 18[19:00] months and all of my previous inquiries[19:03] to gilbran were ignored this time I[19:06] asked the senator to specifically[19:08] respond to Kirk Patrick's comments about[19:10] a group of[19:12] conspiracists who have been duping[19:14] Congress for the first time ever she[19:17] actually replied to me with a[19:19] boilerplate[19:21] nonan about how important arrow is she[19:25] did not even acknowledge Kirk Patrick's[19:27] comments my follow-up emails were[19:30] ignored a link to her full comment is in[19:33] the description below Gill bran had[19:35] actually met with some of the members of[19:38] this UFO activist group who were[19:40] lobbying her to create a government UFO[19:43] Department after Arrow was created[19:46] activists Chris melon and Lou alzando[19:49] tweeted a photo of themselves posing[19:51] with gilbran saying glad we got this[19:54] done Marco Rubio despite multiple emails[19:57] and phone calls from me did not respond[19:59] to my inquiry but Rubio seems to have[20:02] already been distancing himself from[20:04] this UFO hysteria in June he said this[20:08] either what David grush is saying is[20:10] partially true or entirely true or we[20:14] have some really smart educated people[20:16] with high clearances and very important[20:19] positions in our government who are[20:22] crazy and are leading us on a goose[20:26] chase yeah I then reached out to most of[20:30] the members of the so-called[20:31] Congressional UFO caucus leaders like[20:34] Tim bersett anapolina Luna Jared[20:37] moscowitz Eric burlinson and Andy ogles[20:40] Luna and moscowitz did not respond to my[20:43] multiple requests for comment Burleson[20:45] replied but did not answer my question[20:48] nor respond to Kirk Patrick's comments a[20:51] link to his full response is in the[20:53] description below burles previously[20:56] inspired by the testimony of David grush[20:59] said he thought some UFOs could be[21:01] Angels From Another Dimension messengers[21:05] of[21:06] God seriously ogles and bersett were the[21:10] only ones to actually acknowledge both[21:12] my question and Kirk Patrick's comments[21:15] about a group of UFO activists duping[21:17] Congress ogles replied the Biden[21:20] Administration has failed to be[21:22] transparent on nearly every front based[21:25] on the classified briefings I have[21:27] attended with other members of Congress[21:29] it appears that there are serious[21:31] National Security concerns that must be[21:33] addressed Mr Kirkpatrick is entitled to[21:36] his own opinion but for now I will[21:38] continue to press for answers to the[21:40] questions members of Congress and the[21:42] American people have bersett replied we[21:46] have video proof and Pilots chasing[21:48] these things so who's really being duped[21:52] my colleagues and I have talked to[21:54] multiple pilots who have seen objects[21:57] doing things things the human body can't[21:59] withstand I have nothing personal[22:02] against Kirk Patrick but we have lots of[22:05] evidence and testimony from a lot of[22:07] reputable sources on this testimony from[22:10] a lot of reputable sources so who does[22:13] bashet consider a reputable Source[22:15] George knp my buddy Jeremy Corbell[22:18] Jeremy corbel and George knap two[22:22] longstanding members of this group of[22:24] paranormal activists Corbell and nap[22:27] have a long history of promoting fake[22:30] and false UFO stories bersett who[22:34] believes evidence of flying saucers is[22:36] in the Bible and that the literal devil[22:39] is trying to stop UFO disclosure[22:41] continues to lead a congressional[22:43] paranormal snipe hunt on the taxpayers[22:46] dime Kirk Patrick's final Pentagon[22:49] report which he says will reveal more[22:52] uncomfortable truths will be released to[22:55] Congress and the public very soon
Pentagon UFO Hunter Reveals What He Knows About Aliens
Introduction to the Interview with Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick
The video begins with a discussion about the hostile reactions faced by individuals who present data contradicting popular beliefs about UFOs and aliens. The speaker, presumably a journalist or interviewer, recounts receiving threats and harassment for stating that there is no evidence of extraterrestrial life or government cover-ups related to UFOs. This sets the stage for the interview with Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (Arrow), established to investigate claims of UFOs and potential alien encounters.
Background on Arrow and Dr. Kirkpatrick's Role
Dr. Kirkpatrick served as the director of Arrow for 18 months, during which time the office was tasked with investigating claims of UFO sightings and alien technology. The establishment of Arrow by Congress in 2022 was a response to increasing public interest and media coverage surrounding UFO phenomena over the past six years. After completing his investigation and preparing a report, Dr. Kirkpatrick retired in December 2023, with the report being released in March 2024. The key takeaway from this report was a definitive conclusion: there is no evidence of aliens.
Access to Information and Findings
During the interview, Dr. Kirkpatrick was asked a series of yes-or-no questions regarding his access to classified information while preparing the Arrow report. He confirmed that he had full access to all necessary classified programs and was never denied information. This included Title 10 and Title 50 authorities, which are permissions required to access certain secret government information. Despite this access, Dr. Kirkpatrick stated unequivocally that no evidence of aliens, non-human technology, or alien bodies was found during the investigation.
Media Claims and Their Origins
The discussion then shifted to the numerous media stories that have circulated over the last six years, many of which claim to report on alien encounters or UFO sightings. Dr. Kirkpatrick's report indicated that most of these stories originated from a specific group of UFO activists. Although he could not name these individuals due to legal restrictions, previous reporting has identified them as key players in promoting UFO narratives, including a notable 2017 New York Times article that inaccurately described a Pentagon UFO program known as ATIP. Dr. Kirkpatrick confirmed that the main details of this article were not accurate, and the report supported earlier findings that the New York Times article was misleading.
Misappropriation of Funds and Paranormal Investigations
The conversation also touched on the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP) and its connection to the now-defunct ASAPP program, which had been criticized for misappropriating taxpayer funds in pursuit of paranormal investigations, including those at Skinwalker Ranch. Dr. Kirkpatrick clarified that the Pentagon was unaware of these paranormal investigations and that there was no official sanctioning of such activities. He expressed concern over the inappropriate use of funds for non-scientific investigations.
David Grusch and Congressional Testimony
Another significant figure mentioned was David Grusch, an Air Force reservist who publicly claimed that the government was hiding evidence of crashed UFOs and alien bodies. Despite his sensational claims, Dr. Kirkpatrick noted that Grusch had not provided any evidence to support his assertions. Grusch had been invited multiple times to present his evidence to Arrow but ultimately did not attend these meetings. This refusal to engage with Arrow raised questions about the credibility of his claims.
Congressional Reactions and Ongoing Beliefs
Despite the findings of the Arrow report, some members of Congress, particularly those in the newly formed UAP (Unidentified Aerial Phenomena) caucus, expressed skepticism about the report's conclusions. Congressman Tim Burchett, a leader in this caucus, suggested that the government was not being truthful about UFOs. Dr. Kirkpatrick responded to these claims by emphasizing that he had not been contacted by Burchett or other members of the caucus for a briefing on the Arrow report, indicating a disconnect between the congressional leaders and the findings of the investigation.
Frustration with the UFO Belief System
Dr. Kirkpatrick expressed frustration with the entrenched beliefs held by some individuals within the government who continue to assert that there is a cover-up regarding UFOs. He described these beliefs as akin to a religion, suggesting that no amount of evidence would sway those who are deeply convinced of a government conspiracy. This perspective raises concerns about the implications for national security, as individuals who cannot objectively assess evidence may be entrusted with sensitive information.
Media Coverage and Public Perception
Despite the significant findings of the Arrow report, mainstream media largely ignored its conclusions, continuing to publish stories that support the existence of UFOs and aliens. Dr. Kirkpatrick criticized this trend, highlighting the leap in logic that leads people to conclude that unexplained phenomena must be extraterrestrial in nature. He called for a more rational approach to understanding these sightings, emphasizing that there are many possible explanations beyond the alien hypothesis.
Concerns About the UAP Task Force
The interview also raised questions about the UAP task force, which was created in response to public interest in UFOs. Dr. Kirkpatrick noted that some individuals involved in the UAP task force had connections to the ASAPP program, which had previously been criticized for its focus on paranormal investigations. This connection raised concerns about the potential for repeating past mistakes and misallocating resources.
Conclusion and Ongoing Investigations
As the interview concluded, Dr. Kirkpatrick reiterated his commitment to following the evidence wherever it may lead, despite the backlash he has faced. He emphasized the importance of maintaining objectivity in the investigation of UFOs and the need for a clear distinction between credible scientific inquiry and sensationalist claims. The ongoing discourse surrounding UFOs and the government's role in investigating these phenomena continues to be a contentious issue, with significant implications for public trust and national security.
The transcript does not provide any specific information regarding "bombshell" claims or paranormal events such as "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." These specific terms were not mentioned at all in the discussion. Instead, the focus is primarily on the investigation of UFO claims and the responses from government officials regarding the existence of aliens and non-human technology. There is no reference to any fantastical or paranormal claims resembling those mentioned above.
The transcript contains no explicit instances of the government creating or promoting "fake" UFO evidence. There are no mentions of "fake Special Access Programs" being used as hazing rituals, nor is there any reference to the planting of fake UFO photos at Area 51 tourist spots. The discussion centers around the legitimacy of the claims made by UFO activists and the subsequent investigations conducted by the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), which concluded that there was no evidence supporting the existence of aliens. The transcript emphasizes the importance of data-driven conclusions rather than sensationalized narratives.
Several government programs and funding streams are mentioned in the transcript, specifically focusing on the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), previously known as Arrow, and the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The transcript notes that the AARO was established by Congress to investigate claims related to UFOs and potential alien encounters. Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick, the former director of AARO, stated that during his leadership, the office had access to classified programs and top-secret information. He confirmed that "absolutely" he had access to everything needed for the investigation, but found no evidence of aliens or non-human technology.
Additionally, the transcript references the Advanced Aerospace Weapons Systems Application Program (AAWSAP) and the misappropriation of funds related to paranormal investigations at sites like Skinwalker Ranch. While there is no mention of Senator Harry Reid obtaining $22 million for Robert Bigelow, it is implied that funding was allocated for various investigations, some of which veered into paranormal areas without proper oversight, leading to misuse of taxpayer funds.
- [01:59] "Did you have title 10 and title 50 authorities? Yes, title 10 and title 50 authorities are to put it simply permissions you need in order to access certain secret government information."
- [02:22] "Did Kirkpatrick find any evidence of aliens? No, no evidence of aliens."
The interaction between "True Believers" and U.S. government institutions is characterized as problematic in the transcript. Kirkpatrick describes a segment of the government that holds a deep-seated belief in UFO phenomena, equating their convictions to a form of "UFO religion." He expresses concern that this belief system may influence national security decisions. This sentiment reflects a broader worry about how these beliefs can lead to dismissing evidence that contradicts their assertions.
Moreover, the transcript points to the pivotal role of a 2017 New York Times article that reported on a Pentagon UFO program, which catalyzed public interest and congressional attention on UFOs. Kirkpatrick asserts that this article significantly skewed perceptions, causing Congress to prioritize sensational claims over factual data. He states, "the main details in that article were not accurate" and suggests that many claims can be traced back to a small group of UFO activists.
- [16:02] "A UFO religion has infiltrated the US government, influenced the US Congress and poses a potential national security threat."
- [04:10] "Kirkpatrick and Arrow officially concluded the main details in that article were not accurate."
The transcript does not provide specific mundane or technological explanations that counter famous UFO sightings, such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, thermal imaging glare, or mundane objects like party balloons or Chinese spycraft. Instead, the focus is primarily on Dr. Shan Kirkpatrick's experiences while leading the AARO and his findings that did not support the existence of extraterrestrial activity. The discussion revolves around the lack of evidence found during investigations, rather than detailing specific explanations for previously reported sightings.
- [17:44] "the task force missed multiple incursions of Chinese spycraft Over America for years because the task force was instead chasing spooky UFOs."
- [18:11] "Arrow goes into great detail about how this group was wasting taxpayer money chasing paranormal things in the assap program."
[00:00] [Music][00:00] whenever I lay out hey the data says[00:04] that's not an alien that it's not a[00:07] cover up they get violent they get[00:11] offensive they start sending hate emails[00:14] and letters and threatening my family[00:17] threatening me and I find that Beyond[00:21] reprehensible when you start coming[00:23] after my daughter in my wife because[00:26] what I'm telling you that you're wrong[00:28] that it's not an alien that it not a[00:30] cover up that it's actually something[00:32] completely different are you still[00:34] getting threats and harassment since you[00:36] left oh yeah yeah every time I say[00:39] something I'll bet you after your report[00:41] comes out I'll get something I[00:43] interviewed Dr Shan Kirkpatrick the[00:45] former head of the pentagon's UFO office[00:48] called the all domain anomaly resolution[00:50] office or Arrow back in 2022 Congress[00:54] created Arrow to investigate claims of[00:56] aliens in UFOs that have captured news[00:59] headlines from for the last 6 years Shan[01:01] Kirkpatrick was brought on as Arrow's[01:03] director for 18 months under[01:06] Kirkpatrick's leadership Arrow looked[01:08] for the aliens they say they had access[01:11] to everything and that they looked[01:13] everywhere after finishing the[01:15] investigation and completing his Arrow[01:17] report Kirk Patrick retired in December[01:20] 2023 and in March 2024 the report was[01:25] finally released[01:27] tldr no aliens[01:30] okay I'm going to jump right into a[01:32] series of simple yes or no questions[01:35] just yes or no while preparing the arrow[01:39] report did you have access to everything[01:42] you needed including classified programs[01:45] and top secret[01:48] information absolutely yes were you ever[01:51] denied access to anything while[01:54] preparing this[01:55] report no did you have title 10 and[01:59] title 50[02:00] authorities yes title 10 and title 50[02:04] authorities are to put it simply[02:06] permissions you need in order to access[02:08] certain secret government information[02:11] title 10 gets you access to some secret[02:13] stuff title 50 gets you access to even[02:16] more secret stuff so with access to all[02:19] the top secret information he needed did[02:22] Kirkpatrick find any evidence of aliens[02:25] did you find any evidence of alien or[02:28] non-human technology[02:32] did you find any evidence of alien[02:34] bodies or the bodies of non-human[02:37] intelligence no no evidence of aliens[02:41] but what about the hundreds of media[02:42] stories from the last 6 years full of[02:45] claims about aliens on Earth and other[02:48] worldly craft well Kirkpatrick's Arrow[02:51] report conclusively states that most if[02:54] not all of those stories are sourced to[02:57] the same exact group of UFO[03:00] activists based on your research can[03:03] many of the UFO claims from the last 6[03:06] years be traced back to the same exact[03:10] Core group of UFO True[03:12] Believers uh as we've put into the[03:15] report you'll find a section of of where[03:19] a number of these people have worked[03:22] together over the last couple at decades[03:25] um the story seems to all point back to[03:28] them due to various legal reasons[03:31] Kirkpatrick is prohibited from[03:33] specifically naming the names of the[03:35] people in this group but my previous[03:37] reporting at the post has revealed in[03:40] detail their names faces and stories[03:44] links to this reporting are in the[03:46] description below some of the people in[03:48] this group were behind the creation and[03:50] promotion of a 2017 Front Page New York[03:53] Times story about a Secret Pentagon UFO[03:56] program called atip in many ways the UFO[03:59] hysteria of the last 6 years began with[04:03] this one New York Times article but Kirk[04:05] Patrick and arrow officially concluded[04:08] the main details in that article were[04:10] not accurate in 2017 the New York Times[04:14] reported that the Pentagon had an[04:16] official UFO program called atip and it[04:19] was led by a pentagon official named Lou[04:21] alzando is that[04:23] accurate No was a tip an official[04:27] Pentagon UFO program[04:30] no Kirkpatrick's Arrow report validates[04:33] and supports my previous reporting at[04:36] the post which revealed that the New[04:37] York Times UFO article was false and[04:41] intentionally deceptive the Times[04:43] article was co-written by a UFO[04:45] activists who used as their sources for[04:48] the article other activists in the same[04:51] group The Arrow report states that many[04:54] in this group were a part of oap a 2008[04:58] Pentagon Aerospace technology program[05:00] that went off the rails when program[05:02] contractors misappropriated taxpayer[05:05] funds to hunt UFOs ghosts and monsters[05:08] at Skinwalker Ranch a supposed[05:10] paranormal hotspot in Utah Kirkpatrick[05:13] says the Pentagon had no idea they were[05:15] doing this were the Paranormal aspects[05:18] of the assap program like Skinwalker[05:21] Ranch investigations officially[05:23] sanctioned by the Pentagon no no they[05:27] didn't know anything about that until[05:29] after[05:30] after the fact did the contractors and[05:32] or leaders of assap submit reports to[05:35] the Pentagon regarding paranormal stuff[05:37] at Skinwalker Ranch uh not that I saw[05:41] you said in one of your op-eds that[05:43] taxpayer money was quote inappropriately[05:45] spent by ASAP at Skinwalker Ranch was[05:48] there an investigation at the time into[05:50] this misappropriation of funds uh that I[05:54] do not know um well then how do you know[05:56] it was inappropriately spent well[05:59] because I know it's not in the budget to[06:01] go and spend money on paranormal[06:03] research over the last two years I have[06:06] reported extensively about assap[06:08] Skinwalker Ranch and this group of[06:10] paranormal Crusaders you can find links[06:13] in the description below a recent[06:15] addition to this Core group of True[06:17] Believers outlined in Kirkpatrick's[06:19] report is an Air Force reservist named[06:22] David grush grush is closely associated[06:25] with many in the group including some of[06:27] the Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunters in[06:29] 2023 grush went public to claim that the[06:33] government is secretly hiding crashed[06:35] alien UFOs and alien bodies he also[06:39] claimed that the aliens have injured and[06:41] killed earthlings he presented no[06:44] evidence for any of this but all the[06:46] viral news coverage got the attention of[06:48] some members of Congress who brought[06:50] grush in to testify many times during[06:53] his public Congressional testimony grush[06:56] said he could not reveal certain[06:57] evidence about the aliens because it was[07:00] super secret and he couldn't reveal the[07:02] secrets in public so did he then take[07:04] his evidence of aliens to Arrow the[07:07] office both literally looking for[07:09] evidence of aliens and cleared to hear[07:11] top secret information was David grush[07:14] formally invited to speak with arrow and[07:17] present evidence of his claims Arrow[07:20] Arrow invited him five times that was[07:23] documented and put into the did David[07:27] grush actually ever come in[07:30] at the time of my retirement he had not[07:33] did David grush in fact refuse to do[07:36] that uh he provided a couple of[07:39] different reasons at various times of[07:41] why he didn't want to come in his lawyer[07:44] contacted me and had a conversation[07:46] about it they did not want to come in[07:49] what Kirk Patrick just said here has[07:51] been a big point of contention because[07:54] back in 2023 after gush appeared before[07:57] Congress Kirkpatrick publicly said that[08:00] grush had refused to speak with arrow[08:03] but grush publicly in the mainstream[08:05] media said this was a lie he said that[08:08] Arrow had never reached out to him but[08:11] new official government documents[08:13] released via the Freedom of Information[08:15] Act to John Greenwald show that Arrow[08:17] had made multiple attempts to speak with[08:20] grush it is shown that Arrow did invite[08:23] grush to come in multiple times and at[08:26] one point grush agrees to come in but[08:28] never show[08:30] leaving the arrow officials waiting in[08:32] the[08:33] lobby despite all these red flags and[08:36] debunked claims a group of congressional[08:39] leaders have rallied around David grush[08:42] and his wild UFO claims this is the[08:45] so-called Congressional UAP caucus UAP[08:48] by the way is the new official acronym[08:50] for UFO some members of the UAP caucus[08:53] which is currently spending taxpayer[08:55] resources on UFOs weren't impressed or[08:58] convinced by Kirk Patrick's Arrow report[09:02] Congressman Tim burett Tennessee one of[09:04] the leaders of the so-called house UAP[09:07] cus was asked about what he thought of[09:10] the arrow report burett responded quote[09:14] they're lying to us they're not telling[09:17] the truth your[09:19] response well I have not spoken with Tim[09:22] burette uh he has not requested an arrow[09:25] brief in the time that I was there so I[09:27] am not entirely certain what he's basing[09:30] his assertions on did any of the members[09:33] of the so-called Congressional UAP[09:36] caucus meet with you talk with you at[09:38] all[09:40] no no no it seems kind of strange for a[09:44] u UA peacock is to not talk to the UAP[09:47] guy you would think uh there are certain[09:51] members of Congress that do not want to[09:55] engage I guess did not engage have not[09:58] engaged[09:59] and they have not come to request[10:02] anything at the time that I retired even[10:05] after the error report was release some[10:08] Congressional leaders announced that[10:10] they will still continue to pursue many[10:14] of the UFO and alien claims that were[10:16] dismissed in your report as unfounded[10:20] what are your thoughts on that uh I[10:22] think as I've mentioned before that[10:25] there are you know folks that are going[10:27] to believe what they want to believe and[10:29] when they have that level of belief[10:31] there is no amount of rational thought[10:33] that you're going to put in front of[10:34] them that's going to change their mind I[10:36] think it is a waste of time for them to[10:39] continue to pursue that Congress stood[10:42] up arrow with all of the authorities and[10:45] res resources necessary to go[10:47] investigate this on behalf of both[10:50] Congress and the executive branch um and[10:54] they have done that job and for them to[10:56] continue to pursue that and call them[10:58] Liars[10:59] is actually telling the men and women of[11:03] arob that have been working on this[11:06] diligent that they are less credible[11:09] than anybody else that walks in the door[11:13] and that they are dismissing their[11:16] commitment to uh the Constitution and[11:19] their Duty and I find that um Beyond[11:24] reprehensible you come off in[11:26] general as perturbed about a lot of this[11:29] if not mildly[11:32] frustrated why is[11:34] that one of the most frustrating and[11:37] concerning things that that I discovered[11:39] in this assignment and I've had[11:41] assignments all over this world doing a[11:43] lot of really cool[11:45] stuff none of it has given me this level[11:48] of frustration[11:50] because the thing that was to that that[11:53] we uncovered was that the number of of[11:58] the lack of have a better description[12:00] True[12:01] Believers that have the the faith[12:06] of conviction that the government is[12:09] covering this up and hiding it the[12:11] number of those people that actually[12:12] exist within the government within the[12:15] National Security space people that I've[12:18] known for decades and worked with on[12:20] some very sensitive things to have them[12:23] sit in my office and tell me face to[12:26] face I'm not going to help you and[12:28] support you cuz I know you're part of[12:29] the[12:30] cover even though I'm looking at them[12:33] going I only had this job for like the[12:35] last week I don't know anything about[12:37] what you're talking about and then lay[12:39] out evidence to the contrary for them[12:42] for them to ignore all of that and[12:44] continue to press forward with the[12:48] allegations uh is not just frustrating[12:51] because some of them are in positions of[12:52] authority that then make it difficult to[12:55] get a job[12:57] done like and actively instructing how[13:01] we're doing business or or negating the[13:04] way we're we're trying to lay out the[13:07] evidence that um is frustrating and then[13:11] to ensure that my people and my team are[13:15] safe from prosecution because well one[13:18] of the things that I am livid about is[13:21] the fact that you know I walked into[13:24] this job and was told to go do this I[13:27] was it was demanded of me not just by[13:30] Congress but by the American people that[13:32] I had to be objective and open and[13:35] follow the data wherever it would go and[13:37] I made those promises in testimony that[13:39] I would do so but that apparently does[13:43] not apply the other way around and so[13:46] whenever I lay out hey the data says[13:50] that's not what what you think it is[13:52] it's actually[13:54] this instead of people going okay well[13:57] let me let me follow the H workk and see[13:59] how yeah okay you might be right no they[14:02] get violent they get um offensive they[14:07] start sending hate emails and letters[14:10] and threatening my family threatening me[14:13] and it's all right if you want to[14:14] threaten me right I like I said I've[14:16] I've been all over this world and I've[14:19] had better people than that chase me[14:22] around I don't care about that but when[14:24] you start coming after my daughter and[14:26] my wife because[14:29] what I'm telling you that you're wrong[14:31] that it's not an alien that it's not a[14:33] cover up that it's actually something[14:35] completely different um that is[14:39] irritating and you had somebody arrested[14:42] the FBI had to arrest someone outside[14:44] your house right um well we had somebody[14:47] show up at the place it was very bizarre[14:49] but yes they came and got them are you[14:52] still getting threats and harassment[14:53] since you left oh yeah yeah every time I[14:56] say something I'll bet you after your[14:58] report comes out I'll get some regarding[15:00] the True Believers inside government who[15:03] attacked and fought him just because he[15:05] said aliens weren't real Kirk Patrick[15:08] says he considers their deepr rooted[15:10] beliefs to be religious in nature a sort[15:13] of UFO religion there is absolutely[15:16] nothing that I'm going to do say or[15:18] produce[15:20] evidentiary that is going to make the[15:23] True[15:24] Believers convert if you will it's[15:27] almost like a religion it is basically[15:29] religion and he considers them to be a[15:31] Potential Threat to National Security I[15:35] think that is disturbing and should be a[15:38] flag for the National Security Community[15:42] because how can you then trust those[15:44] people if they are not objective enough[15:47] to understand evidentiary based[15:51] assertions like that how can you trust[15:54] them with n our national secrets so[15:57] according to the senior leader of the[15:59] pentagon's official UFO office a UFO[16:02] religion has infiltrated the US[16:04] government influenced the US Congress[16:07] and poses a potential national security[16:09] threat this seems like front page news[16:12] but you won't find it on the front pages[16:14] of American mainstream media who mostly[16:17] ignored Kirk Patrick's error report and[16:19] who continued to publish credulous[16:21] stories about aliens and UFOs people[16:24] make that leap of hey I don't understand[16:27] what I'm seeing[16:29] therefore it must be an[16:31] alien there's a whole range of other[16:34] possibilities between I don't understand[16:37] what I'm seeing and it's an alien[16:39] there's all kinds of other stuff that[16:40] happens in there right um why people[16:43] make that jump I don't know okay now for[16:47] two curveballs there were two moments[16:50] during the interview that didn't sit[16:52] right with me one was when I brought up[16:55] the pentagon's UAP task force next the[16:58] task Force the UAP task force this task[17:01] force was created in 2020 in response to[17:04] sudden public interest in UFOs there was[17:07] sudden public interest in UFOs because[17:09] of viral news stories promoted by this[17:12] group of UFO Believers in charge of this[17:15] new Pentagon task force was Jay Stratton[17:17] one of the members of this group and[17:19] former Skinwalker Ranch Ghost Hunter[17:22] during the assap program stratton's[17:24] Chief scientist on the task force was[17:26] Travis Taylor another Skinwalker in[17:29] Ghost Hunter and star of pseudo science[17:31] reality shows like Ancient Aliens and[17:34] the secret of Skinwalker Ranch Stratton[17:36] brought into the task force various[17:38] paranormal enthusiasts according to[17:41] sources the task force missed multiple[17:44] incursions of Chinese spycraft Over[17:46] America for years because the task force[17:48] was instead chasing spooky UFOs but in[17:52] Kirkpatrick's report the UAP task force[17:55] only gets two little paragraphs and[17:57] those paragraphs basically only talk[18:00] about how great and successful the task[18:02] force was Zero mention of the Paranormal[18:06] stuff in the same report arrow goes into[18:09] great detail about how this group was[18:11] wasting taxpayer money chasing[18:13] paranormal things in the assap program[18:16] but when members of the same group get[18:18] put in charge of yet another program[18:21] there are zero mentions of it this[18:24] report was supposed to reveal all those[18:26] details but here it doesn't I brought[18:29] this up to Kirk Patrick next the task[18:31] force the UAP task force did some of the[18:35] same individuals involved in assap go on[18:38] to lead in or work on the UAP task[18:41] force so to my knowledge when I came in[18:45] it stood our Arrow the task force had[18:47] only three full-time people on it um and[18:52] and everybody else that was tapped[18:54] across the community the IC or the DFD[18:58] weren't[18:59] full-time members of the task force they[19:01] would support with data and information[19:03] when asked but I think that was about it[19:06] and those three people live in the pon[19:09] okay notice how he didn't answer my[19:10] question here so I ask him again right[19:14] did former assap people involved in the[19:19] assap program were they involved and at[19:22] least initially with the UAP task force[19:25] I believe so he finally answers yes[19:30] yes uh how does that happen who put them[19:32] in their in those roles no idea okay are[19:36] you aware that you know you mentioned[19:38] some of the third parties that came in[19:39] are you aware that some of those um[19:42] third parties that the uaf brought in[19:44] were a number of people with fringe[19:46] beliefs like Ghost Hunters and psychics[19:48] and they were brought in to be[19:51] analysts I was not part of and don't[19:55] know anything about how they ran the[19:57] task force I was actually out in[19:59] Colorado during all that okay but during[20:03] your arrow historical report you didn't[20:05] see any of that[20:09] information um I think the rest of that[20:12] part of the review will come in volume[20:16] two oh really so there's more on the[20:19] task force coming in volume two I don't[20:21] know for certain I have to direct you[20:23] back to Arrow okay so he's saying that[20:26] maybe all the wacky crazy stuff about[20:28] the task force[20:29] will come out in a new forthcoming[20:31] report like I said before the intent was[20:34] everything we had by the cut off date[20:37] for volume one is in volume one and then[20:40] anything that we missed or anything that[20:42] they want to add in there they will put[20:45] in in volume two so okay U because just[20:47] from for an outsider like me amateur[20:50] researcher from the outside it looks[20:53] like you know I read your report I see[20:54] your on reccord statements and you're[20:56] like man this group has just been[20:58] telling tall tales and you know and[21:01] taking advantage and pushing their stuff[21:02] and inappropriately spending money and[21:05] then I see that same group involved with[21:08] the UAP task force and I see them more[21:11] or less doing the same exact thing all[21:14] over again you would think that after[21:16] assap and the Pentagon goes oh my God[21:18] what is this group doing that they would[21:20] be the last people in charge of an[21:23] official task force after that yeah so I[21:25] don't know like I said I don't know who[21:28] made those decisions what I do know is[21:30] when I was asked to come in and the task[21:32] force was officially stood down uh you[21:36] know I started from scratch I'm not[21:38] satisfied with this answer but Kirk[21:40] Patrick only gave me 30 minutes for the[21:42] interview and I didn't feel like eating[21:44] up more time the second moment comes[21:47] when I ask Kirk Patrick if he had a[21:49] previous history working with UFOs or if[21:52] he had any previous associations with[21:55] members of this core group of True[21:57] Believers before did you have any[21:59] interest at all in[22:01] UFOs not beyond the occasional[22:06] movie before Arrow did you perform any[22:08] duties uh regarding UFOs or paranormal[22:12] phenomena[22:14] no did you attend a 2018 Senate armed[22:17] services committee briefing on[22:20] Skinwalker[22:22] Ranch I asked him this question because[22:25] in a previous report of mine I revealed[22:27] that in 200 18 Brandon fugle the owner[22:30] of Skinwalker Ranch went to Washington[22:33] DC and gave a briefing to multiple[22:35] Pentagon officials about the spooky[22:38] stuff at the ranch at the briefing were[22:40] some of the members of this group fugle[22:43] told me Kirk Patrick was not only there[22:46] but was leading the briefing about[22:47] Skinwalker Ranch did you attend a 2018[22:51] Senate armed services committee briefing[22:54] on Skinwalker[22:56] Ranch no I attended a briefing at the[23:00] request of Senate armed services[23:03] committee on what was at that time[23:06] associated with the atip AAP AAP[23:10] research that was going as an[23:13] independent[23:14] outside uh reviewer and I gave them my[23:17] opinions at that time who invited you to[23:20] that[23:21] briefing uh it was one one of the[23:25] staffers okay one of the one of the[23:27] staffers on SA[23:29] ASC got it and you're saying that this[23:31] was like an offset of assap a tip that's[23:35] my understanding at the time was it was[23:37] a spin out of those programs in 2018 wow[23:41] okay um those programs were ended the[23:46] research by these independent people[23:49] because this was not an official[23:51] government briefing this was a briefing[23:54] by people that were not associated with[23:56] the government so[23:59] okay so this briefing was not an[24:01] official DOD Pentagon briefing oh[24:03] absolutely not okay Brandon fugle the[24:06] owner of Skinwalker Ranch says you quote[24:09] LED that briefing in 2018 and claims you[24:13] said you were quote already fully aware[24:16] of the reality of UFO phenomena is that[24:19] accurate I wasn't leading[24:22] anything I had another job at the time[24:25] and I was brought in as an independent[24:28] of objective reviewer of what that SAS[24:31] was being told okay cuz this offered a[24:34] little bit of a curveball in my[24:36] reporting because I I did a whole Deep[24:39] dive on Skinwalker Ranch U Brandon fugle[24:42] told me about the briefing said you know[24:44] you were there he said that you know[24:47] Kirk Patrick said that UFOs are real in[24:49] this briefing and when I reported that I[24:51] think the UFO community at the time was[24:53] like oh Kirk Patrick's a UFO guy because[24:56] fugle said so and then when you're[24:58] report came out they're like wait what[24:59] the hell yeah no Kirkpatrick did not say[25:03] aliens were real or UFOs were real that[25:06] the reality quote the reality of UFO[25:08] phenomena is real no I never said that[25:12] before Arrow did you have any[25:13] association with any of these folks any[25:16] of the people in this Core group of[25:18] Believers no so like when you went to[25:21] that briefing in 2018 where you said all[25:23] saap atip folks were there you didn't[25:26] know any of those people[25:29] not at the T okay not that I remember I[25:33] think I met all of the all the people[25:35] associated with this all at that time[25:37] was probably around the first that I'd[25:39] ever met them okay so he admits that he[25:42] was at this unofficial 2018 Skinwalker[25:45] Ranch briefing but only on invitation[25:47] and only as an independent objective[25:50] reviewer okay but seriously what was he[25:53] even doing there how can he say that he[25:56] had no interest or duties regarding us[25:58] before 2022 if he's attending briefings[26:01] in 2018 about one of the most famous UFO[26:05] spots on planet Earth I could have[26:07] pushed him more on this but time was[26:10] ticking and I wanted to cover more[26:12] topics I emailed Kirk Patrick some[26:14] follow-up questions and he said this I[26:18] ended up at that briefing because a[26:20] congressional staffer asked me to attend[26:22] as an objective thirdparty scientist to[26:24] listen to the presentation I did not[26:27] know it was about Skinwalker Ranch until[26:29] later I don't recall it being referenced[26:32] by that name during the briefing he[26:35] doesn't recall Skinwalker Ranch even[26:37] being referenced I replied by sending[26:40] Kirk Patrick this PowerPoint[26:42] presentation that Brandon fugle claims[26:44] he presented at the briefing Skinwalker[26:46] Ranch is all over it and it's all about[26:50] Skinwalker Ranch Kirk Patrick replied[26:53] that's not the briefing I recall seeing[26:56] the briefing I saw was less polished[26:59] come to think about it I don't believe[27:00] it was 2018 that I attended a briefing[27:03] on the hill I believe it would have been[27:05] 2017 in 2018 I was stationed in Colorado[27:09] I don't recall ever meeting Fugal maybe[27:12] he's confusing the two meetings so I[27:15] reached out to Brandon fugle about Kirk[27:17] Patrick's comments fugle responded are[27:20] you trying to get Kirk Patrick in[27:22] trouble and Destroy his credibility you[27:24] better be careful with what you report[27:27] to which I replied no I interviewed him[27:29] and brought up the 2018 Senate armed[27:32] services committee briefing you had told[27:34] me about I included his response below[27:37] and would like to give you an[27:38] opportunity to respond or clarify fugle[27:41] responded he meaning Kirk Patrick was at[27:44] that meeting on April 19th 2018 I gave[27:48] you an accurate account of the meeting[27:50] and have video photos and Witnesses I[27:53] then asked fugle if he could provide any[27:55] of those videos photos or Witnesses[27:58] fugle did not respond at the time of[28:01] this video's[28:02] publishing this is all very confusing[28:05] and at this point I simply don't know[28:08] who to[28:11] believe are you a part of a government[28:15] coverup to hide aliens or non-human[28:18] intelligence no is it possible that you[28:22] are unknowingly part of a coverup to[28:26] hide aliens or non-human intelligence[28:29] not life
Pentagon UFO Hunter Says Alien "Religion" Has Infiltrated US Government
Introduction
The discussion centers around the complexities of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP), often referred to as UFOs, and the implications these have for national security and public perception. This segment of the interview with Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), delves into the challenges faced by military pilots and the broader implications of UFO sightings.
Concerns of Pilots
Kirkpatrick highlights that pilots have expressed genuine concerns regarding what they encounter in the airspace. The questions arise: Is what they see dangerous? Is it hostile? Is it an adversary? These concerns are not trivial; they represent real safety and security issues that need to be addressed. The AARO was established by Congress to investigate claims of UFOs and potential extraterrestrial life, a topic that has garnered significant media attention over the past several years.
Findings of the AARO
Under Kirkpatrick's leadership, the AARO conducted extensive investigations into UFO claims, asserting that they had top-secret access to a wide range of information. However, the findings were disappointing for those hoping for evidence of extraterrestrial life. Instead of uncovering aliens or advanced technologies, the AARO identified a core group of UFO enthusiasts who have propagated unfounded paranormal stories. Kirkpatrick points out that these narratives have been perpetuated by misleading reports, such as a widely circulated New York Times article that inaccurately represented UFO phenomena.
UFO True Believers
Kirkpatrick refers to a subset of individuals within the military and government who are deeply invested in the belief of UFOs, likening their fervor to a religious conviction. He expresses concern over their influence on national security decisions, as these beliefs may not be grounded in data or evidence. This raises critical questions about the reliability of those making decisions that could affect national security.
Congressional Involvement
Despite the AARO's detailed report, which aimed to clarify the situation regarding UFOs, Congress has continued to pursue investigations into the phenomena. Kirkpatrick notes that the legislative body has largely ignored the findings of the AARO, which contradict the ongoing narrative that there is a significant UFO threat. This disconnect illustrates a broader issue where sensational media coverage has overshadowed factual evidence, leading to a misinformed public and continued congressional interest in UFOs.
Operational Missions of AARO
The AARO's operational mission includes addressing legitimate safety and security concerns related to unidentified objects in the air. Kirkpatrick emphasizes that while there are no aliens in the skies, there are indeed unidentified objects that could pose risks. The military's upgraded radar systems have revealed many previously undetectable objects, leading to confusion among pilots who are unsure of what they are encountering.
Common Misunderstandings
Many of the objects identified by the military have been determined to be mundane, such as balloons—both party and weather balloons. Kirkpatrick points out that the number of balloons launched daily is significant, contributing to the potential for midair collisions. Additionally, the rise of drones in civilian airspace presents another layer of complexity, as they are becoming increasingly common and can pose risks to military and commercial flights.
Foreign Adversaries
Kirkpatrick also notes that some unidentified objects are foreign adversaries, such as drones and balloons from countries like China and Russia, which may be used for surveillance. The infamous Chinese spy balloon incident is cited as a clear example of this threat. Kirkpatrick suggests that the public's fascination with alien narratives has distracted from these very real security issues.
Debunking UFO Claims
Throughout the interview, Kirkpatrick expresses disappointment in the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life, stating that the best outcome would have been to find definitive proof of aliens. Instead, he has found that many of the sensational claims surrounding UFO sightings have been debunked through scientific analysis. For instance, videos that were once thought to show advanced alien technology have been explained as optical illusions or artifacts from the cameras used to capture them.
Conclusion
Kirkpatrick's insights reveal a complex landscape where genuine safety concerns regarding aerial phenomena are often overshadowed by sensationalism and unfounded beliefs. The challenge remains to separate fact from fiction, ensuring that national security decisions are based on evidence rather than speculation. As the AARO continues its work, the hope is to bring clarity to the conversation surrounding UFOs while addressing the legitimate concerns of pilots and the public alike.
The transcript does not mention any specific "bombshell" claims or paranormal events, such as "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," "psychic summoning," or "Klingon death ships." Instead, it focuses on the experiences and perspectives shared by Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, the former head of the Pentagon's UFO office, regarding the investigation of unidentified aerial phenomena (UAP). The discussion centers on the lack of evidence for extraterrestrial life, the beliefs held by some individuals in the UFO community, and the misconceptions surrounding various sightings. Therefore, any claims or events related to the aforementioned terms are not included in the provided transcript.
The transcript highlights that the government, particularly under the leadership of Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick at the AARO (All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office), did not find any fabricated evidence of UFOs despite significant public interest and speculation. Kirkpatrick mentions that there was a core group of UFO believers who pushed false and unfounded stories about paranormal activities. This group is credited with influencing mainstream media narratives, resulting in the dissemination of inaccurate information regarding UFOs. Kirkpatrick specifically notes the impact of a misleading New York Times article, which, according to him, contained factually inaccurate claims that were widely replicated by the media.
Additionally, Kirkpatrick expresses concern that some individuals who are True Believers in UFOs hold positions of authority within the military, thereby potentially compromising national security. He questions the decision-making processes of these individuals, suggesting that their conclusions are based more on religious conviction rather than empirical data. Thus, the transcript does not provide evidence of government-created fake UFO evidence, but it does illustrate the challenges posed by misinformation and the influence of belief systems on public and governmental perceptions of UFOs.
- [01:09] "They found a core group of UFO believers who have spent years pushing false and unfounded paranormal stories."
- [03:35] "Despite evidence contrary, Congress is continuing to beat this drum."
- [02:04] "Kirkpatrick believes these True Believers present a Potential Threat to National Security."
The transcript discusses the establishment of the AARO (All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office) by Congress to investigate claims of UFOs and potential extraterrestrial activity. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, who led this office, emphasizes that despite having top-secret access and extensive investigations over 18 months, his team found no evidence supporting the existence of aliens or otherworldly phenomena. The focus of AARO was on addressing valid safety and security concerns from pilots regarding unidentified objects in U.S. airspace.
While specific funding streams like AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program) and AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program) are not directly mentioned in the transcript, Kirkpatrick highlights the significant media attention and legislative pressure that has propelled the investigation of UFOs since 2017. He points out that this interest was largely driven by earlier incidents and claims that have since been addressed but remain influential in public discourse. The transcript does not provide detailed funding amounts such as the $22 million mentioned in relation to Senator Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow's efforts, indicating that key financial specifics are not included in the content.
- [02:43] "Congress created Arrow to investigate claims of aliens in UFOs that have captured news headlines for the last 6 years."
- [04:39] "Kirkpatrick and arrow answered those questions in their report but Congress seems to have mostly ignored the report they themselves asked for..."
- [12:02] "the best thing that could have happened in this job is I found the aliens and I could have rolled them out but there’s none there."
The interaction between "True Believers" and U.S. government institutions, as described in the transcript, highlights a concerning dynamic where beliefs in UFOs infiltrate decision-making processes within the Pentagon and Congress. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick refers to some individuals in the military as UFO True Believers, suggesting they possess a fervent, almost religious conviction about the existence of extraterrestrial life. He expresses deep concern that these beliefs could lead to decisions that impact national security, as they may rely more on personal conviction than on scientific evidence.
Furthermore, the transcript outlines how the 2017 New York Times article served as a catalyst, creating a "domino effect" that heightened congressional interest in UFOs. Kirkpatrick argues that this article, despite its inaccuracies, continues to inform congressional perspectives and actions regarding UAP investigations. He criticizes Congress for seemingly ignoring the detailed findings of the AARO report, which aimed to clarify and demystify many of the claims that had gained traction. This situation illustrates a significant disconnect between empirical evidence and sensational narratives that have come to dominate public discourse.
- [01:47] "Kirkpatrick refers to these UFO True Believers as religious in nature, a sort of UFO religion."
- [03:20] "Congress is continuing to beat this drum despite evidence contrary."
- [04:13] "This domino effect has been going on the Arrow report in many ways stops the domino fall."
The transcript provides several mundane and technological explanations for what have been perceived as UFO sightings. Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick explains that many of the objects encountered by military pilots, which were initially alarming, have been identified as common objects or phenomena. For instance, he notes that when the military upgraded their radar systems, they began detecting a range of objects that were previously unseen. However, upon further investigation, many of these objects turned out to be mundane items such as party balloons, weather balloons, and various other forms of ballooning.
Moreover, the transcript discusses the phenomenon of parallax illusions, which can mislead observers regarding the speed and distance of objects. For example, Kirkpatrick cites a video that was claimed to show a fast-moving UFO, which was later determined to actually be a balloon moving at a much lower speed, with the apparent motion attributed to the camera's movement. The transcript also mentions that some visual anomalies, like the triangular shapes observed in certain UFO videos, were actually the result of a camera's triangular iris, making out-of-focus objects appear triangular.
These explanations serve to demystify widely publicized sightings and suggest that many of the fears related to UFOs are based on misunderstandings of technology and visual perception rather than on evidence of extraterrestrial life.
- [10:20] "This optical illusion is called parallax; the camera is actually what's moving fast, not the object."
- [10:28] "The triangle shapes are due to the camera's triangular iris which makes out-of-focus objects look triangular."
- [07:50] "There's also been a massive increase of drones in the air; the FAA says drones are the fastest growing segment of aviation in the United States."
[00:00] [Music][00:00] what's in the[00:02] airspace is it[00:04] dangerous is it hostile is it in an[00:08] adversary or is it something else oh my[00:12] gosh what is that how are we going to[00:15] get our arms around it what are we going[00:17] to do about it because the pilots were[00:20] concerned there are real Safety and[00:23] Security[00:27] issues this is part two of my interview[00:30] with Dr Shan Kirkpatrick the former head[00:33] of the pentagon's UFO office called the[00:35] allain anomaly resolution office or[00:38] Arrow part one is linked in the[00:40] description below Congress created Arrow[00:43] to investigate claims of aliens in UFOs[00:46] that have captured news headlines for[00:48] the last 6 years for 18 months under[00:50] Kirk Patrick's leadership Arrow looked[00:53] for the aliens they said they had top[00:55] secret access to everything and looked[00:57] everywhere and they found nothing no[01:01] aliens no space monsters nothing instead[01:06] they found a core group of UFO believers[01:09] who have spent years pushing false and[01:11] unfounded paranormal stories this Core[01:15] Group helped create and promote a[01:17] factually inaccurate New York Times[01:19] story about UFOs this one New York Times[01:22] story and its false information was copy[01:26] pasted hundreds of times by the[01:27] mainstream news media who went on to[01:30] print even more baseless UFO stories[01:34] promoted by this group Kirk Patrick says[01:37] there's also UFO true believers who[01:39] continue to hold positions of authority[01:42] within the US military Kirk Patrick[01:44] refers to these UFO True Believers as[01:47] religious in nature a sort of UFO[01:50] religion Kirkpatrick says he and his[01:52] family have been threatened with[01:54] violence by some of these true believers[01:57] who are convinced Kirk Patrick is[01:59] covering up the aliens Kirkpatrick[02:01] believes these True Believers present a[02:04] Potential Threat to National Security[02:07] because they're making crucial decisions[02:09] not Based on data or evidence but[02:12] instead on fervent religious conviction[02:15] how can we then trust them with our[02:17] national Secrets Kirk Patrick asks it's[02:20] a very good question but my confusion is[02:23] why it took so long to ask[02:26] it the arrow report is very detailed[02:30] specific and conclusive but it's[02:33] 2024 this all started in[02:37] 2017 this current phase of things um and[02:41] it's been a Non-Stop UFO and alien Fest[02:45] since uh for six years so how the heck[02:49] did this get so out of hand how was it[02:51] allowed to go on for so long why didn't[02:54] the petting on just shut all this[02:56] nonsense down six years ago[03:00] well those are all great questions I[03:03] don't have answers for them other than[03:05] Congress wrote A lot of it into law and[03:08] told the department and the IC to go do[03:11] and so they have to the best of their[03:15] ability[03:16] so you know I think what you're seeing[03:20] is the executive branch in particular[03:22] the Pentagon and the I are very much[03:26] trying to address congress's concerns[03:31] Congress is continuing to beat this drum[03:35] despite evidence[03:37] contrary Kirk Patrick is saying[03:39] essentially that Arrow represented the[03:42] first time Congress actually mandated[03:45] these specific questions be asked[03:48] Kirkpatrick and arrow answered those[03:50] questions in their report but Congress[03:53] seems to have mostly ignored the report[03:56] they themselves asked for and instead[03:59] continue their hunt for alien UFOs[04:02] despite evidence to the[04:05] contrary congress's interest in[04:08] this um is a domino effect the New York[04:11] Times article comes out Domino Falls[04:13] worldwide news copy paste the New York[04:15] Times story Domino Falls Congress goes[04:17] what the hell's going on and they still[04:20] to this day Congress still thinks the[04:23] basic facts of that New York Times story[04:25] is accurate they're still operating off[04:27] of the original claims the original[04:29] story so this domino effect has been[04:32] going on the Arrow report in many ways[04:35] stops the domino fall but it's my[04:38] question you can give me just your[04:40] opinion like what's taken so[04:42] long well okay so let me let's let's[04:45] let's back up just a so the there's[04:48] there are two different things happening[04:50] here that we're I think we're talking[04:52] about so the the New York Times article[04:56] covered uh a lot of the stories on[05:00] Pilots right Pilots[05:02] concerning things that they're seeing as[05:05] they're flying around so that's that all[05:08] falls under the operational mission of[05:11] era right there are real Safety and[05:13] Security issues that arrow is trying to[05:16] address that the department is trying to[05:19] address of hey what's in the[05:22] airspace um is it dangerous is it[05:26] hostile is it an adversary or is it just[05:28] something that could cause[05:30] an accident in the air what is that how[05:34] are we going to get our arms around it[05:35] and what are we going to do about it[05:37] because the pilots were concerned and[05:39] they had valid concerns about that the[05:42] historical piece of this um where you[05:46] know wrapped in the allegations of[05:48] government cover up and[05:50] conspiracy are um the things that are[05:53] mostly unfound and are are woven into[05:58] the same narrative[06:00] as what the pilots are seeing and these[06:02] are not the same things these aren't[06:04] even close to the same things Kirk[06:06] Patrick brings up a good point while[06:09] there aren't any aliens in our skies[06:11] something obviously is when the military[06:15] upgraded their radar systems in recent[06:17] years they suddenly saw a bunch of new[06:21] stuff stuff they couldn't see before on[06:25] their older radar platforms this seems[06:28] to have led to the surprise and at times[06:30] confusion of pilots who asked what the[06:34] heck is all this stuff well a lot of[06:36] that stuff has since been determined to[06:38] be mundane things like balloons from[06:41] party balloons to weather balloons Kirk[06:45] Patrick told CNN's Peter Bergen balloons[06:48] are one of the biggest hazards right now[06:50] and it's growing there's something like[06:52] 10,000 balloons launched daily there's[06:56] also been a massive increase of drones[06:59] in the air the FAA says drones are the[07:03] fastest growing segment of aviation in[07:05] the United States and millions of them[07:08] have been sold to the public since[07:11] drones are still in emerging technology[07:14] laws to enforce Dron safety are[07:17] sometimes lagging behind as such[07:19] Military and Commercial Air Pilots are[07:22] encountering both balloons and drones in[07:25] the air and such encounters present a[07:27] real danger for midair collisions[07:31] another documented fact is that some of[07:34] these objects are foreign adversaries[07:37] like China or Russia spying on America[07:40] with drones and balloons the infamous[07:43] Chinese spy balloon is the most obvious[07:46] example of this but there are many many[07:49] other[07:50] cases the public is mostly unaware of[07:54] this and I will be producing a deeper[07:56] investigation into this aspect in the[07:59] near future but for now it seems that[08:02] fake stories about aliens have[08:04] distracted us from fully addressing a[08:07] very real problem I think the problem[08:10] was is that that real problem initially[08:14] was branded Under the Umbrella of[08:16] paranormal of aliens and right and so[08:20] people were looking this way instead of[08:22] looking that way that's correct and that[08:24] and and that's that's an important[08:26] distinction you need to make sure it is[08:28] clear um with your readers of you know[08:33] look these are two separate things and[08:38] why people make that leap of hey I don't[08:43] understand what I'm[08:44] seeing therefore it must be an[08:47] alien there's a whole range of other[08:50] possibilities between I don't understand[08:53] what I'm saying and it's an alien[08:54] there's all kinds of other stuff that[08:56] happens in there right um why people[08:59] make make that jump I don't know it's a[09:02] very interesting psychological study in[09:04] PhD thesis for somebody but it's not our[09:07] job our job was to try to decouple the[09:10] two while trying to decouple fact from[09:13] fiction Kirk Patrick arrow and the[09:15] Pentagon were able to demystify some of[09:18] the famous UFO videos that have captured[09:21] the Public's attention for the last 6[09:23] years the UFO True Believers have[09:25] claimed that these videos show[09:27] otherworldly craft operating in spooky[09:30] ways that defy the laws of physics for[09:33] example here is Lou alzando a member of[09:36] this group on the History Channel[09:39] claiming that this video shows a spooky[09:41] UFO traveling at high speed across the[09:44] ocean that thing is hauling that's[09:47] exactly my point it's a little less than[09:49] 2third of speed of sound but how is the[09:51] craft able to fly so fast but subsequent[09:54] analysis from the Pentagon NASA and[09:56] independent experts discovered that the[09:58] object is not moving that fast at all[10:01] using basic trigonometry the object's[10:04] speed is estimated to be as low as 30 or[10:08] 40 mph consistent with a balloon being[10:11] pushed by the wind the camera is[10:14] actually what's moving fast not the[10:16] object this optical illusion is called[10:20] Parallax this video was claimed by UFO[10:23] Believers to be spooky flying pyramids[10:26] but it was officially determined by the[10:28] Pentagon and multiple independent[10:30] experts that the triangle shapes are due[10:33] to the camera's triangular Iris which[10:36] makes out of focus objects look[10:40] triangular most of the triangles in this[10:43] video are just out of focus stars in the[10:46] night sky the Pentagon says other[10:49] objects were drones not alien pyramid[10:54] spacecraft this famous video is claimed[10:57] by True Believers to show a spooky UFO[11:00] performing an impossible midair rotation[11:03] while the object itself has yet to be[11:05] fully identified this is not its true[11:09] shape this black blob is simply glare[11:12] from thermal imaging in the apparent[11:15] rotation has been determined to just be[11:17] a side effect of the camera's internal[11:19] gimbal rotation which has been[11:22] reconstructed in detail by UFO skeptic[11:25] and computer programmer Mick West as the[11:28] source camera wrote rotates so does the[11:31] glare from the object and so most if not[11:34] all of the main UFO images that have[11:37] captured news headlines over the last 6[11:39] years have since been debunked as either[11:42] normal terrestrial objects like planes[11:45] drones or balloons or as Illusions[11:47] errors or camera artifacts Kirk Patrick[11:50] seems a bit disappointed in all the[11:52] mundane explanations telling CNN's Peter[11:55] Bergen that the best thing that could[11:57] have happened never did the best thing[11:59] that could have happened in this job is[12:02] I found the aliens and I could have[12:03] rolled them out but there's none there[12:06] is no evidence of extraterrestrials[12:09] there is no evidence of aliens and[12:11] there's no evidence of of the government[12:15] [Music][12:17] conspiracy okay now for the part most of[12:20] you are probably waiting for my previous[12:23] report ended on somewhat of a[12:25] cliffhanger if you haven't seen it yet[12:27] and you're a fan of Cliffhangers the[12:29] link is in the description below in[12:31] essence Kirk Patrick claimed to me that[12:33] he had nothing to do with UFOs or the[12:36] Paranormal before his assignment to[12:38] arrow in 2022 but then I discovered he[12:41] was at a 2018 briefing which featured a[12:44] presentation about Skinwalker Ranch a[12:46] supposed UFO hotspot also in the[12:48] briefing were various UFO and paranormal[12:51] enthusiasts so what the heck was Kirk[12:53] Patrick doing there UFO believers who[12:56] don't like Kirk Patrick smelled blood[12:59] they took to social media to say my[13:01] report proved Kirk Patrick was a liar[13:04] but he didn't actually lie about[13:07] anything in my report sure there were[13:09] some outstanding questions and confusing[13:12] statements on all sides but that alone[13:15] doesn't make him a liar because of these[13:18] wild accusations I felt it was necessary[13:21] to dig deeper I now have new information[13:24] about this briefing so let's fact check[13:27] the main claims in June 2022 I[13:31] interviewed Brandon fugle the owner of[13:33] Skinwalker Ranch claim number one fugle[13:37] claimed that in 2018 a congressional[13:39] staffer named Thomas Kirk McConnell from[13:41] Senator McCain's office called him and[13:44] asked him on behalf of Senator McCain to[13:47] come to Washington DC to the Senate[13:49] armed services committee and present a[13:51] briefing on Skinwalker Ranch fact check[13:55] Thomas Kurt McConnell was a Democrat who[13:57] did not work for Senator McCain[14:00] McConnell worked for Senator Jack Reed a[14:03] Democrat from Rhode Island Jack Reed at[14:05] that time was the ranking minority[14:07] member of the Senate armed services[14:09] Committee in 2018 Senator McCain was[14:12] technically the chairman of the Senate[14:14] armed services committee but McConnell[14:16] would not have worked for him also in[14:19] 2018 McCain wasn't even in Washington DC[14:23] he had been diagnosed with brain cancer[14:25] and starting in 2017 had remained in his[14:28] home home state of Arizona to undergo[14:31] cancer treatments in fact just 4 days[14:34] before this supposed Skinwalker Ranch[14:36] briefing that Fugal claims was created[14:39] and organized by and on behalf of[14:43] Senator McCain McCain was actually in[14:46] Phoenix Arizona at a hospital getting[14:49] surgery I previously brought all of this[14:52] up to Fugal and asked him to provide[14:54] evidence of McCain's involvement in this[14:57] 2018 Skinwalker Ranch brief briefing[14:59] fugle provided no evidence saying the[15:03] only evidence of McCain's involvement[15:05] was just something someone had told him[15:08] verbally oh okay well that doesn't seem[15:11] very solid in a statement to me the[15:14] Senate armed services committee says no[15:16] senators were involved in fugal's[15:19] briefing and as of the date of this[15:21] video reports publication no evidence of[15:24] Senator McCain's involvement has been[15:26] provided so for now this part of fugal's[15:30] claim is unfounded and lacking evidence[15:33] claim number two Fugal claims Sean Kirk[15:36] Patrick was at this 2018 briefing fact[15:40] check kurk Patrick confirmed to me that[15:43] he was indeed at this briefing but that[15:46] he couldn't remember whether it was 2017[15:49] or 2018 because in the summer of 2018 he[15:53] moved to Colorado fugle told me he had[15:56] photos from this briefing I asked fugle[15:59] if he could provide these photos he did[16:01] not provide them only after my report[16:04] was published did fugle publicly tweet a[16:07] photo from The Briefing which shows Kirk[16:10] Patrick there okay fugle says Kirk[16:13] Patrick was there Kirk Patrick confirmed[16:15] he was and the photo shows that[16:18] everyone's in agreement and the photo's[16:20] metadata establishes that the briefing[16:23] occurred on April 19th[16:25] 2018 which is before Kirk Patrick moved[16:27] to Colorado So within the time window[16:30] Kirk Patrick originally estimated claim[16:33] number three Fugal claim Kirk Patrick[16:36] was quote one of the individuals leading[16:39] the discussion at the briefing Fugal[16:41] also claims Kirk Patrick told everyone[16:44] in the room about his belief in quote[16:47] the reality of UFO phenomena fact check[16:51] Kirk Patrick responded to this claim[16:53] saying that is a blatant lie and[16:56] mischaracterization from Fugal I neither[16:59] led the meeting nor ever said UFO[17:01] phenomena was real period the meeting[17:04] was called and led by Kirk McConnell I[17:07] was invited by McConnell to listen and[17:09] give my opinion I didn't lead the[17:12] conversation I didn't say much but ask a[17:15] couple pointed questions at the[17:16] pseudoscientific presentation I gave my[17:19] unfavorable impression and assessment of[17:21] the briefing to the staffers and moved[17:23] on never giving it another thought until[17:26] now the photo Fugal provided does indeed[17:30] show Fugal and his team presenting on[17:32] one side and the listening audience is[17:35] on the other side McConnell is sitting[17:38] at the head of the table in the center I[17:41] reached out to how POF who was at the[17:43] briefing and is a close associate of[17:45] Brandon Fugal Poff agrees with[17:48] Kirkpatrick's version of things I asked[17:50] Poff what was Sean Kirkpatrick's role at[17:53] this briefing Poff responded I assume as[17:56] for others in attendance it was simply[17:58] for infog Gathering I then asked POF was[18:01] Kirk Patrick leading the discussion at[18:03] all or was he just listening taking[18:05] notes Etc Poff responded the[18:08] latter so Poff agrees with Kirk Patrick[18:12] he was just there as an observer[18:14] listening and taking notes not leading[18:17] the discussion and proclaiming the[18:19] reality of UFOs as Fugal claims I then[18:22] reached out again to fugle asking him to[18:25] confirm clarify or modify his original[18:29] claims regarding Kirk Patrick at this[18:31] briefing Fugal did not respond over 12[18:35] days I sent him multiple emails asking[18:38] for a response I even sent him a text[18:41] message if he had any evidence to[18:43] support his claims I've now given him[18:45] ample opportunity to provide it but at[18:48] the time of this video reports[18:49] publication Fugal still has not[18:52] responded so given the current evidence[18:54] it's safe to say that these claims of[18:56] fugal are unfounded and lacking[19:00] evidence claim number four Fugal claims[19:03] this briefing was a skin walker Ranch[19:06] briefing and only a Skinwalker Ranch[19:08] briefing Kirk Patrick claims it wasn't[19:11] saying that the briefing focused instead[19:14] on oap an independent group that[19:17] investigated lots of paranormal stuff[19:20] like skin walker Ranch and UFOs[19:22] Kirkpatrick says he doesn't even[19:24] remember the name Skinwalker Ranch being[19:26] mentioned fact check this is strange[19:30] because Brandon fugle is the owner of[19:32] Skinwalker Ranch and he appears to be[19:34] giving a presentation about Skinwalker[19:36] Ranch right in front of Kirk Patrick but[19:40] how put off again who was part of the[19:42] presenting team told me the purpose of[19:44] the briefing was to inform some[19:47] Congressional staffers about the history[19:49] and future plans for investigating UFOs[19:53] SL Skinwalker Ranch okay so according to[19:57] put off skinwalker Branch seems to only[19:59] have been one of the topics discussed[20:02] again Kirk Patrick says he was only[20:04] there as a favor to Kurt mcconell Kirk[20:07] Patrick was not impressed by the[20:09] briefing and says he never gave it[20:11] another thought so it does seem likely[20:13] that Kirk Patrick when asked about this[20:16] briefing 6 years later would not[20:18] necessarily remember all the topics and[20:21] details discussed so this claim seems to[20:24] be kind of but not entirely[20:27] true Kurt m did not reply to my multiple[20:30] requests for comment the Department of[20:33] Defense would not let me speak with[20:35] Brennan mccan who was at the briefing[20:39] and is still a pentagon employee working[20:42] in Naval intelligence Department of[20:44] Defense spokesperson Susan Goff however[20:47] issued this statement regarding Kirk[20:49] Patrick's Presence at the 2018 briefing[20:52] Dr Kirkpatrick had no involvement with[20:55] Skinwalker Ranch when DOD officials are[20:57] invited to attend a briefing on a[20:59] subject that Congress thinks may be of[21:01] interest to them the officials will[21:03] usually accept the invitation acceptance[21:06] of a congressional invitation does not[21:08] denote confirmation or validation of[21:11] material presented or discussions held[21:14] Kirkpatrick offered an updated statement[21:16] regarding his involvement with UFOs[21:18] before[21:19] 2022 saying other than attending one[21:22] briefing at the request of the Senate[21:24] armed services Committee in an[21:26] unofficial capacity I had no official[21:28] duties regarding UFOs so there you have[21:32] it an unofficial briefing 6 years ago[21:35] about some spooky things that seems to[21:38] have been a bit blown out of proportion[21:40] and embellished which if you've seen my[21:43] previous reporting is par for the course[21:45] for Brandon fugle fugle produces a[21:48] History Channel show about his[21:49] Skinwalker Ranch and basically every[21:52] episode contains exaggerations[21:55] embellishments and unfounded claims[21:58] links to all my reporting on Skinwalker[22:00] Ranch and Brandon fugle are in the[22:03] description[22:04] below as for Sean Kirkpatrick we may[22:07] never hear from him again he is sick and[22:11] tired of the UFO nonsense telling me I'm[22:15] refraining from any further interviews[22:17] on the[22:18] topic I wish I could say the same
BOMBSHELL: Pentagon created fake UFO evidence, promoted false alien stories
The discussion begins with an assertion that certain advanced technologies and capabilities, which resemble fictional spacecraft, were developed and operated by Americans. The speaker highlights the existence of government cover stories regarding UFOs, suggesting that these narratives were created to obscure the true nature of military operations. This leads to the revelation of a false program related to flying saucers, indicating that the claims made by various whistleblowers about UFOs may have been based on misleading information.
Over the past seven years, numerous UFO whistleblowers have come forward, alleging that the U.S. government is concealing evidence of extraterrestrial life and technology. Previous investigations into these claims have scrutinized the motivations of these whistleblowers, many of whom have testified before Congress about a purported cover-up involving alien technology. In response to these allegations, congressional leaders mandated the establishment of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (Arrow) to investigate these claims thoroughly.
Arrow was tasked with examining the whistleblowers' assertions and determining the existence of aliens. However, accessing sensitive locations like Area 51 requires top-secret clearance, which is tightly controlled by Congress and the President. Arrow was granted significant authority to investigate, and its leadership included experienced individuals like Shawn Kirkpatrick and Tim Phillips, who assembled a team of over 40 trusted experts to delve into the claims made by whistleblowers and military witnesses.
In March 2024, Arrow released an unclassified report stating that no evidence of aliens, alien technology, or alien bodies was found. The report suggested that many whistleblowers had been misled by unfounded stories or had misinterpreted human-made technology as alien. Despite the report's conclusions, some whistleblowers continued to advocate for government funding to pursue their claims, indicating a disconnect between the findings of Arrow and the beliefs of these individuals.
It appears that some whistleblowers may have genuinely witnessed phenomena they believed to be extraterrestrial, but they were likely deceived by the government itself. A significant finding from Arrow's investigation revealed that the government had sometimes fabricated UFO stories and images, creating disinformation to obscure its own activities. This included a bizarre hazing ritual within the Air Force, where new personnel were shown fake UFO programs as a joke, leading to widespread misconceptions about the existence of alien technology.
Tim Phillips, a key figure in Arrow, recounted how many officers had unknowingly participated in this prank, believing they were part of a legitimate program. This misinformation contributed to a culture of fear among military personnel, who felt they could face repercussions for discussing what they believed to be real encounters with aliens. The report indicated that thousands of individuals might have been influenced by these fabricated narratives, leading to a persistent urban myth regarding the government's possession of alien technology.
After Phillips raised concerns about the implications of this misinformation, the Pentagon ordered the cessation of the hazing ritual. Although Arrow sought to include these findings in their public report, the Air Force requested that this information be withheld. A Pentagon spokesperson later confirmed that Arrow had uncovered evidence of fake classified programs related to extraterrestrials, which would be addressed in future reports.
The government also employed disinformation tactics to mislead the public, creating fake UFO images to distract from the testing of advanced military aircraft. This strategy aimed to obscure the true nature of operations at locations like Area 51, where real top-secret projects were underway. The discussion emphasizes that while some military officials reported seeing UFOs, many of these sightings could be attributed to advanced human-made technology rather than extraterrestrial craft.
Phillips noted that descriptions of alleged alien spacecraft often matched the characteristics of classified military aircraft. He expressed concern about certain unresolved UFO cases, particularly those occurring over sensitive military areas, indicating that there are still phenomena that remain unexplained. He acknowledged the existence of strange occurrences, such as unidentified flying objects exhibiting unusual flight patterns, which could suggest advanced technology or capabilities that are not yet understood.
In conclusion, the conversation highlights the complexities surrounding UFO sightings and the narratives constructed by both whistleblowers and the government. While some individuals may have genuinely believed they encountered alien technology, the evidence suggests that many of these claims stem from a combination of misinformation, misinterpretation, and the government's own disinformation campaigns. The ongoing investigation into these phenomena continues to raise questions about national security and the potential existence of advanced technologies, whether of human or extraterrestrial origin.
The transcript provided does not mention any specific claims regarding "bulletproof werewolves," "dinosaur beavers," or "psychic summoning." However, it does reference a phrase that captures the imagination: "Klingon death ships." This phrase is used in a metaphorical context to describe advanced military technology that resembles science fiction concepts, particularly in its appearance and capabilities. The speaker emphasizes the extraordinary nature of some of the aircraft developed by the U.S. military, stating, "Some of these things we have, my god, they look like Klingon death ships."
This description serves to highlight the advanced and sometimes mysterious nature of the technology being developed, suggesting that while the public may associate such imagery with science fiction, the reality may be even more fascinating. However, the mention of "Klingon death ships" is not tied to any concrete paranormal events or claims, and no additional details are provided in the transcript regarding any such supernatural phenomena.
- [14:06] "My god, they look like Klingon death ships."
The transcript outlines several instances where the U.S. government created or promoted "fake" UFO evidence. One significant revelation is the existence of fake Special Access Programs (SAPs) used as part of a hazing ritual in the Air Force. According to the interview, new personnel were shown fabricated presentations about supposed secret programs involving UFOs, which included fake images of alien technology. This was described as a prank intended to haze new Air Force personnel, yet it backfired and contributed to the spread of belief in UFOs among those who were unaware of the deception.
Furthermore, the transcript discusses how the military at Area 51 engaged in disinformation campaigns by planting fake UFO images around tourist spots. These actions were designed to mislead the public, making them believe that sightings of UFOs were alien in origin, rather than the result of advanced U.S. military technology. The speaker notes, "the US Air Force planted fake alien spaceship photos at various tourist locations outside the base."
This strategy was part of a broader effort to protect the secrecy of military projects, as the transcript reveals that the government used UFO cover stories to divert attention from advanced aircraft being developed, such as sixth-generation aircraft. The intention was to create confusion about what was truly being tested in sensitive military areas.
- [06:00] "Some of the UFO whistleblowers who claim the government has a secret alien UFO program had actually been exposed to a fake program that was a prank to haze new Air Force personnel."
- [10:45] "The US Air Force planted fake alien spaceship photos at various tourist locations outside the base."
The transcript does not explicitly mention any specific government programs by name such as AAWSAP (Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program), AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program), or AARO (All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office). However, it describes the establishment of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO), mandated by Congress to investigate claims of UFO sightings and the existence of aliens. The office was tasked with determining the validity of various whistleblower claims about UFOs and alien technology.
Additionally, the transcript discusses the funding associated with paranormal claims, specifically referencing Senator Harry Reid's involvement in securing $22 million for investigations into UFOs. This money was intended for research into unexplained phenomena, and it was suggested that it was directed towards Robert Bigelow, a known figure in the UFO research community. The speaker notes, "the government is hiding the existence of aliens and alien technology."
While the transcript provides context for the purpose of these inquiries—investigating potential threats and ensuring national security—it does not detail the specific outcomes or findings of these programs. As such, the actual details regarding the effectiveness or the results of the funding streams remain unspecified in the provided text.
- [01:02] "...the US government is hiding the existence of aliens and alien technology."
- [04:20] "Despite the conclusive Arrow report, which debunks many of their claims..."
The interaction between "True Believers" and U.S. government institutions, such as Congress and the Pentagon, is characterized in the transcript as complex and often contentious. The speaker discusses how certain UFO whistleblowers, who are described as having religious beliefs in the existence of UFOs, have managed to persuade sympathetic members of Congress to continue funding investigations into these claims despite contradictory evidence from official sources. The idea is that the 2017 New York Times article, which brought significant attention to UFO phenomena, acted as a "domino" effect that led Congress to overlook official data.
This phenomenon suggests that sensational claims, fueled by media coverage, can influence legislative priorities and funding decisions. The whistleblowers' steadfast belief in the existence of aliens persists even when faced with evidence to the contrary, as noted in the transcript: "many of these UFO whistleblowers are true religious believers who are unfazed by facts and evidence to the contrary."
Moreover, the speaker implies that this group of believers has infiltrated the government to some extent, leading to continued interest and funding for investigations despite the lack of credible evidence supporting their claims. This situation raises questions about the influence of personal beliefs on policymaking and resource allocation in government institutions.
- [04:12] "...many of these UFO whistleblowers are true religious believers who are unfazed by facts and evidence to the contrary."
- [04:31] "Why do some members of Congress continue to spend taxpayer resources on these claims?"
The transcript does not provide specific mundane or technological explanations for famous UFO sightings such as parallax illusions, triangular camera irises, or thermal imaging glare. However, it does touch upon the phenomenon of misinterpretations among military personnel regarding advanced technology. The speaker indicates that many military officials who reported seeing UFOs might have observed human-made technology and misinterpreted it as alien spacecraft due to their lack of being read into relevant programs or their limited exposure to what they were witnessing.
For instance, the transcript mentions that descriptions from multiple military witnesses matched top-secret human-made aircraft being tested by the military. The speaker states, "the descriptions were amazing... it was amazing. And I understand why they would leap to those conclusions." This implies that the initial observations were simply advanced technologies developed by the military rather than extraterrestrial craft.
Additionally, the document suggests that the military was aware of the potential for such misinterpretations and that the use of disinformation and fake images was partly a tactic to obfuscate ongoing projects. However, it does not specifically mention the mundane objects like party balloons or Chinese spycraft that are typically referenced in UFO debunking discussions.
- [12:43] "...the descriptions of alien craft from multiple military witnesses ended up matching top secret human-made aircraft being tested by the military."
- [12:31] "...you could make the assumption that it wasn’t invented by humans."
[00:00] I don't think this has gone public yet,[00:02] but those technologies and amazing[00:05] capabilities were designed by Americans[00:07] and built, manufactured, and flown by[00:10] Americans.[00:11] Some of these things we have, my god,[00:14] they look like cling on death ships.[00:16] Absolutely amazing. There was a lot of[00:20] misbehavior by our government. We built[00:23] these UFO cover stories to protect what[00:26] we were really doing. Just so I get it[00:28] and I comprehend this. There was a fake[00:31] program that was a flying saucer alien[00:34] program. Yeah. There was a false special[00:37] access program. It wasn't real. And[00:40] you're saying that sums up what these[00:42] whistleblowers have actually seen.[00:46] Exactly.[00:51] Over the last seven years, you've[00:53] probably seen news headlines about[00:54] multiple UFO whistleblowers who have[00:57] come forward to claim that the US[00:59] government is hiding the existence of[01:02] aliens and alien technology.[01:05] My previous reporting investigated some[01:07] of these UFO whistleblowers and[01:09] activists who want the government to[01:12] spend taxpayer resources on their[01:14] paranormal claims. Some of them[01:17] testified under oath before Congress[01:20] that there is a real cover up of secret[01:23] government programs involving real[01:25] aliens and alien technology.[01:29] Mystified by these claims, in 2022,[01:32] congressional leaders like Senator[01:34] Kirstston Gillibrand and then Senator[01:37] Marco Rubio mandated by law the creation[01:41] of the All Domain Anomaly Resolution[01:43] Office or Arrow.[01:46] Arrow was asked to look into the claims[01:48] of these whistleblowers and to find if[01:51] these aliens actually exist. But you[01:54] can't just walk into Area 51, for[01:57] example, and start looking around in the[02:00] basement. Not just anyone can do that.[02:03] You need special top secret authorities[02:06] and permissions controlled by Congress[02:08] and the office of the president of the[02:10] United States. So Arrow was given Title[02:14] 10 and Title 50 authorities, which in[02:18] layman's terms means they had the keys[02:20] to the entire top secret kingdom. But[02:24] who was Congress going to give the keys[02:26] to? It needed to be individuals with[02:29] impeccable resumes, impressive[02:31] experience, and reputations for being[02:34] trustworthy and reliable. The keys went[02:37] to Shawn Kirkpatre, a Pentagon[02:40] scientist, and Tim Phillips, a 40-year[02:43] veteran of military and intelligence[02:45] operations.[02:47] Kirkpatrick and Phillips brought in a[02:49] team of over 40 trusted people. Arrow[02:52] then interviewed the UFO whistleblowers[02:55] and other military witnesses in a[02:57] classified setting to get their full[03:00] stories. With Kirkpatrick and Phillips[03:02] at the tip of the spear, they went out[03:05] and tracked down the source of each and[03:07] every one of these claims about the[03:09] government hiding aliens. In March 2024,[03:13] Arrow released an unclassified report of[03:16] their findings to the public. After[03:19] talking to everyone and looking[03:21] everywhere, Arrow states they found no[03:24] aliens, no alien technology, and no[03:28] alien bodies. The unclassified report[03:32] states these whistleblowers had mostly[03:34] become convinced that aliens were real[03:37] because of unfounded or false stories,[03:40] or in some cases, they misinterpreted[03:43] real human-made technology for alien[03:46] technology. After the report was[03:49] released, I interviewed Sean Kirkpatre[03:52] about Arrow's findings. Kirkpatre says[03:55] many of these UFO whistleblowers are[03:57] true religious believers who are unfased[04:01] by facts and evidence to the contrary.[04:05] Despite the conclusive Arrow report,[04:07] which debunks many of their claims, this[04:10] religious group of whistleblowers and[04:12] activists, went on to convince[04:14] sympathetic members of Congress to[04:17] continue spending taxpayer resources to[04:20] look for the aliens that Arrow says[04:23] don't exist.[04:25] So, what's going on here? Why do some[04:28] members of Congress continue to spend[04:31] taxpayer resources on these claims?[04:34] Well, as it turns out, some of these[04:37] whistleblowers probably did witness[04:40] something real, but they were[04:42] intentionally deceived. What the public[04:45] really hasn't heard yet is that there[04:48] were several key details kept out of the[04:51] Arrow report, secrets that the military[04:54] did not want the public to know. Well,[04:57] now those secrets are coming out. A[05:00] bombshell Wall Street Journal[05:02] investigation reveals that when Arrow[05:05] went looking for the original source of[05:07] these UFO stories about the government[05:09] hiding aliens, they discovered that in[05:13] many instances, the source was the[05:16] government itself, creating fake UFO[05:19] images and fake UFO programs. Because we[05:23] were saying, how did this myth get[05:25] started? Well, maybe it was something[05:27] that was used by the government to kind[05:29] of conceal what we were really doing. I[05:32] interviewed Tim Phillips, who, as I[05:35] previously mentioned, was the deputy[05:37] director and at one point the acting[05:39] director of Arrow. Phillips recently[05:42] left Arrow and spoke to me on the[05:44] record. He says in the classified[05:47] version of the arrow report is the[05:49] discovery that the US government was[05:51] sometimes the source creator and[05:54] promoter of false UFO stories. For[05:57] example, some of the UFO whistleblowers[06:00] who claim the government has a secret[06:02] alien UFO program had actually been[06:05] exposed to a fake program that was a[06:08] prank to Hayes new Air Force personnel.[06:12] I don't think this has gone public yet,[06:14] but there were some embarrassing things[06:16] that we discovered and we had a lot of[06:18] people, high-ranking people very very um[06:22] concerned and very sensitive that it[06:25] could just bring discredit upon their[06:27] agency or their service. How so? So,[06:29] what do you mean embarrassing? How?[06:32] Well, as you know, there was a false UAP[06:36] program. It was a an incident that[06:38] started out in the Air Force. It was a[06:41] anti-g anti-gravity motor that was[06:46] developed from you, you know, alien um[06:49] crash retrieval. It was hazing. It was a[06:52] joke. It wasn't real. Arrow discovered[06:54] that for decades, the US Air Force had a[06:57] bizarre hazing ritual. When new people[07:00] were brought in to manage top secret Air[07:02] Force offices, they were first given a[07:05] presentation about a secret program that[07:08] dealt with UFOs. And they were shown[07:10] images of what the presenters claimed[07:13] was alien technology. You would you[07:16] would have been knocked your shocks your[07:18] socks off to look at the you know the[07:20] alien space and the craft and the the[07:22] way they did it was a Hollywood produced[07:24] stuff. It was great. But Arrow[07:26] discovered that the images in the whole[07:28] program was fake, a prank and part of a[07:32] hazing ritual. What happened is for[07:36] decades you probably had thousands of[07:39] officers who never knew that was a fake[07:43] sap and it got out into the wild and it[07:45] was you had a generation of officers[07:49] that were briefed into this UFO[07:52] exploitation program and didn't know it[07:55] was just a joke or hazing. Philip says[07:58] he interviewed many of these officers[08:01] who had never been told that what they[08:03] saw was fake. Some of them still remain[08:07] scared to death. I'll tell you from[08:09] talking to some of the witnesses there[08:12] there was real fear,[08:15] you know, that what they saw or observed[08:18] they would be harmed if they shared that[08:20] with us. No, they were scared to death[08:24] and paranoid about and we're just trying[08:26] to understand the truth. And these[08:29] people had sincere beliefs that there[08:32] was some covert black cop, you know,[08:35] that if they revealed the truth about[08:36] aliens, now someone's going to go out[08:38] there and eliminate that. So some these[08:40] witnesses that was real. These witnesses[08:43] are coming to you in their heart of[08:45] hearts convinced that they've seen[08:47] something alien and in their heart of[08:48] hearts convinced truly that they were[08:51] risking their lives talking to you guys.[08:53] Some individuals. Yes. Philip says he[08:55] had to take this damning discovery to[08:58] the director of national intelligence,[08:59] Averil Haynes. And she said,"Tim," he[09:02] says, "Could this, you know, fake SAP be[09:06] the basis for this persistent urban myth[09:10] that the government has recovered and[09:13] reverse engineered alien technology?"[09:15] She said, "Have you done a damage[09:17] assessment? How many people believe that[09:19] to be true?" And I said, "Ma'am, I I[09:22] don't know, but we estimate thousands."[09:25] After Philip sounded the alarm, the[09:27] Pentagon ordered the Air Force to shut[09:29] down this bizarre hazing ritual in 2023.[09:33] Arrow wanted to include this shocking[09:35] discovery in their public report, but[09:37] the Air Force requested that they hold[09:39] off. It was ultimately not included. A[09:43] Pentagon spokesperson acknowledged that[09:45] quote, "Arow had uncovered evidence of[09:48] fake classified program materials[09:50] relating to extraterrestrials and stated[09:52] this information would be included in[09:55] Arrow's next public report. But these[09:58] pranked and hazed Air Force officials[10:00] weren't the only victims of fake UFO[10:02] images produced and promoted by the[10:05] government. US citizens were also[10:08] targeted with government UFO[10:09] disinformation. The government created[10:12] fake UFO images to trick the public into[10:16] thinking what they were seeing in the[10:17] sky was alien and not actually their top[10:20] secret aircraft. I don't think this has[10:23] gone public yet, but there was a lot of[10:26] misbehavior by our government. Early on,[10:29] we built these UFO cover stories to[10:32] protect what we were really doing. For[10:34] example, Philip says Arrow found that[10:37] the military at Area 51 created UFO[10:40] images that were then leaked to UFO[10:43] believers in the public for the purpose[10:45] of muddying the waters and concealing[10:48] non-alien top secret aircraft at Area[10:51] 51. I was present in the skiff when we[10:54] had a retired Air Force flag officer who[10:57] worked out at Area 51[11:00] um was asked by force protection to[11:03] provide a portfolio of photos[11:07] um of[11:10] traditional alien UFOs operating being[11:13] filmed at Area 51. and he delivered them[11:16] to one of the UFO bars outside the gate[11:19] out on the east side. Because tourists[11:21] were often going to Area 51 to look for[11:24] UFOs, the US Air Force planted fake[11:28] alien spaceship photos at various[11:30] tourist locations outside the base. They[11:33] wanted people to think what they saw[11:35] above Area 51 was alien and not the real[11:38] top secret project that was being[11:40] tested. We actually did that many years[11:43] ago. our government did that. But not[11:45] all military UFO whistleblowers claimed[11:48] to have just seen photos or videos of[11:51] UFOs. Some of the military officials[11:54] interviewed by Arrow claimed they[11:56] actually saw alien spacecraft with their[11:59] own eyes at top secret military bases.[12:03] What we discovered is often these people[12:06] were not read into the programs. they[12:08] had secondhand knowledge or they were[12:11] lawfully present at a test site. The guy[12:15] was a forklift operator. He looks off[12:17] and he sees something amazing and based[12:21] off their education. Okay. um their life[12:25] experience and their personal beliefs.[12:28] You see that amazing demonstration of a[12:31] new technology and depend on your[12:33] background, you could make the[12:35] assumption that it wasn't invented by[12:38] humans. Phillips says the descriptions[12:40] of alien craft from multiple military[12:43] witnesses ended up matching top secret[12:46] humanmade aircraft being tested by the[12:49] military. Their descriptions were[12:52] amazing. They were right on. And then[12:54] when we would go back to the historical[12:57] archive or get the test director and[12:59] look at the video or read the report, it[13:02] was amazing. And I understand why they[13:05] would leap to those conclusions. But[13:08] those technologies and amazing[13:09] capabilities were designed by Americans[13:12] and built, manufactured, and flown by[13:14] Americans. Philip says he was able to go[13:17] to Area 51 and witness these top secret[13:20] aircraft himself after concerns that the[13:23] secret of their existence had leaked to[13:26] the public. We thought there was a[13:28] compromise of what our national security[13:30] program the sixth generation aircraft[13:32] and this very very senior uh senator[13:35] says look I want you to research this[13:37] this really concerns me and he had asked[13:39] me if I had been out to Nevada to the[13:41] Nevada uh test site. So, we went through[13:45] I got read into the Air Force uh SAPS[13:48] dealing with um new advanced uh[13:51] spacecraft and aircraft went out there[13:55] and some of these things we have if[14:00] you just a guy off the street got out[14:02] there and saw these things fly or[14:04] touched one in a hanger. My god, they[14:06] look like cling on death[14:09] Absolutely amazing. And you're saying[14:12] that that sums up a lot of what these[14:15] whistleblowers have actually seen. O is[14:20] right. Exactly. But there are still[14:23] mysteries out there. A small number of[14:26] UFO cases remain unsolved and very[14:30] strange. Phillips is concerned about[14:32] these cases since many of them occur[14:35] over sensitive US military locations. a[14:39] small percentage of those cases,[14:40] probably less than 40, we don't know[14:42] what it is. We can measure it. We know[14:45] it's there. Um, it shouldn't be there,[14:48] and we want to know what it is, and[14:50] we're taking every step to understand[14:52] that phenomena. Well, Tim, maybe maybe[14:54] it's aliens. Who know? Well, again,[14:58] until we have evidence, I'm not going to[14:59] go there. There are, you know, there are[15:01] some phenomenas out there we we just[15:03] don't understand. you know the[15:06] especially have you heard of the the[15:08] fiery orbs? Oh yeah. That when we start[15:12] seeing like a corona or a discharge, a[15:15] plasma discharge and when we've had some[15:18] of these really really strange events[15:22] from the reports of the security[15:25] personnel on site, these devices[15:29] attempted to con they're attempting to[15:32] conceal themselves. In one case, when uh[15:36] a truck from mainside was coming out[15:39] onto the range, this device stopped,[15:42] hovered, went off the road, and turned[15:44] its freaking lights off. Now, to me,[15:48] that tells me there's a human in the[15:49] loop or on the loop because it was an[15:52] alien that could care less. That's not[15:54] what happened. Okay. Now, that there's[15:58] some strange stuff going on there. Out[16:00] of all the cases you saw and observed, I[16:02] what was the one that[16:04] confused you the most and still confuses[16:07] you that you're just not sure what the[16:08] heck? Is it the plasma ball? What what[16:10] what was it that something that struck[16:12] you as particularly strange? You know,[16:15] the uh the black triangles.[16:19] The seriously, the black triangles.[16:21] Yeah. Black triangles are a common[16:24] description of reported UFOs within the[16:28] UFO community. There are many popular[16:30] stories about spooky black triangles[16:32] performing in paranormal ways. In fact,[16:37] I myself saw a black triangle UFO in[16:40] 2003 and it was pretty impressive. And[16:44] obviously, the military has their own[16:46] flying black triangles that at one point[16:49] they tried to keep secret. But Philip[16:51] says the black triangles he saw[16:54] concerned him. He thinks they could be[16:56] high-tech aircraft being flown by a[16:59] foreign adversary.[17:01] There there were some uh reports from[17:03] credible people um where they saw[17:07] something and they saw a flying vehicle[17:10] triangular in shape. Um[17:14] trans, you know, it[17:16] it it[17:18] just good performance coming off it. Uh[17:21] not a not a huge acoustic sound. uh not[17:24] a lot of heat picking up you they can[17:26] pick off their flares. I want to know[17:28] what it is because I think it's a uh[17:32] an adversary, you know, capability. I I[17:35] don't I I think it comes from this[17:37] world, not aliens. And when we got[17:40] reports of the black triangles, that's[17:42] something that really pricks my ears and[17:44] I want to know more. With these black[17:46] triangles though on your end, are you[17:49] looking at them? Are you looking at[17:50] photos, videos, or are you just reading[17:52] a a report?[17:55] All of the above. Seriously? Yeah. A[17:58] little bit of everything. Yeah. There[18:01] there are there are things that we, like[18:02] I said, there's a small percentage of[18:05] the cases that we have unusual, you[18:08] know, flight characteristics and[18:10] performance or anomalies that we don't[18:12] understand. And that's where you have[18:13] that this potentially disruptive[18:15] technology or emerging technology that[18:18] we need to understand. There are some[18:19] spooky things and places they shouldn't[18:21] be with performance characteristics that[18:24] we couldn't duplicate today. So, what is[18:27] it? I don't know what it is, but we're[18:29] going to find out. Wow. Well, I don't[18:32] know what's scarier. If it's China or[18:34] it's Martians, you know?
The Pentagon's Ghostbusters | Rogue military officials hunted UFOs, ghosts and monsters
Introduction to the Paranormal Believers in Government
The video begins by introducing a group of individuals within the U.S. government who are fervent believers in the paranormal, claiming to have had encounters with UFOs, ghosts, psychic phenomena, and even Bigfoot. This group has been active for decades, with some viewing them as crusaders for truth while others dismiss them as delusional. The narrator presents a dilemma: either these individuals are genuinely uncovering hidden truths, or they are occupying significant government positions while holding irrational beliefs.
Government Funding for Paranormal Investigations
Over the past seven years, many UFO-related news stories have originated from this group, comprised of former and current government employees who have pursued paranormal investigations funded by taxpayer dollars. Despite extensive investigations that have debunked many of their claims, the group persists in their belief that the truth is out there, seeking continued financial support for their endeavors.
Project Stargate: The CIA's Psychic Soldier Program
In the 1970s, the CIA initiated a secret program called Project Stargate, which allocated $20 million to develop psychic soldiers aimed at countering the Soviet threat during the Cold War. This program included various military officials and self-proclaimed psychics, notably magician Uri Geller, who claimed to possess mind-bending abilities. The program's absurdity, including attempts to kill goats through mere staring, led to its termination in 1995, as the CIA deemed it a waste of resources.
Skinwalker Ranch: A New Source of Funding
Following the closure of Project Stargate, paranormal enthusiasts found a new benefactor in billionaire Robert Bigelow, who hired them to investigate his allegedly haunted Skinwalker Ranch in Utah. The claims emerging from this investigation were extraordinary, featuring bulletproof werewolves, UFO sightings, and bizarre creatures. However, the investigators failed to provide any substantial evidence, relying instead on anecdotal accounts and a book available for purchase online.
Senator Harry Reid's Involvement
Senator Harry Reid, a known believer in the paranormal and a friend of Bigelow, facilitated a $22 million funding initiative for further paranormal investigations at Skinwalker Ranch. Reid's approach to securing funding was to obscure the true nature of the project, presenting it as standard military aerospace spending. This lack of transparency allowed the funding to proceed without public scrutiny.
The Pentagon Ghostbusters: A New Era of Paranormal Investigation
With government funding secured, a new team of investigators, dubbed the "Pentagon Ghostbusters," was dispatched to Skinwalker Ranch. They claimed to encounter various supernatural phenomena, including new entities that were documented in another evidence-free book. One notable incident involved a Pentagon contractor encountering a hybrid creature described as a "dino beaver," which allegedly haunted a female official after their encounter.
The Mystery of JW: Uncovering Identities
The narrative introduces a mysterious female Pentagon official referred to as "JW," who was involved in the paranormal investigations. Through research, the narrator identifies JW as Jessica Wyatt, a division chief at the Defense Intelligence Agency. Despite attempts to contact her for comment, Wyatt remained unresponsive, although her social media connections suggest ongoing relationships with other paranormal investigators.
Personal Accounts of Paranormal Experiences
Several individuals associated with the Pentagon's paranormal investigations shared their own eerie experiences. Jay Stratton, a decorated Marine, recounted an incident on Skinwalker Ranch where he and fellow Marines felt an overwhelming fear that prevented them from crossing a shadow. Other accounts included sightings of dark humanoid figures and claims of being stalked by supernatural creatures.
Congressional Oversight and Funding Withdrawal
As reports of paranormal activities reached the Pentagon, officials expressed shock and outrage over the misuse of taxpayer funds. This led to the withdrawal of funding in 2010, and by 2012, the entire paranormal program was shut down.
The Tic-Tac UFO Incident and Continued Advocacy
The video discusses the infamous Tic-Tac UFO incident involving Navy pilots, which garnered significant media attention. Notably, one of the pilots, Alex Dietrich, is connected to the same group of paranormal investigators. The narrative suggests that the media's portrayal of these incidents has contributed to ongoing advocacy for increased government resources for UFO investigations.
Government's Role in UFO Narratives
The video highlights a Wall Street Journal report indicating that the U.S. government has, at times, fabricated UFO stories to obscure its own advanced technologies. This revelation raises questions about the motivations behind the government's engagement with paranormal believers and the potential implications for national security.
Conclusion: The Ongoing Search for Truth
In conclusion, the video paints a complex picture of a rogue group within the U.S. government that continues to pursue paranormal investigations despite a lack of credible evidence. The intertwining of personal beliefs, government funding, and media narratives creates a compelling yet troubling scenario, suggesting that the quest for truth in the realm of the supernatural remains an ongoing and contentious issue.
The transcript outlines several extraordinary claims made by a group of paranormal investigators associated with the U.S. government. Among these claims are descriptions of fantastical creatures and supernatural events. For instance, one notable claim involves the existence of bulletproof werewolves that supposedly cannot be harmed, no matter the number of gunshots fired at them. Additionally, there is a mention of a peculiar creature referred to as a dinosaur beaver, which is described as a half beaver and half dinosaur that allegedly walked past a Pentagon contractor during an investigation on Skinwalker Ranch.
In another instance, the transcript discusses the concept of psychic summoning where individuals purportedly believe they can use mental powers to attract UFOs. This notion reflects a broader belief among certain paranormal enthusiasts that psychic abilities could be harnessed to engage with extraterrestrial phenomena. Importantly, the transcript does not mention any Klingon death ships or similar references, indicating that such details are absent from this account.
These claims, while sensational, are presented without substantiation, and the speaker emphasizes the lack of credible evidence supporting them. The presentation of such bizarre creatures and events serves to highlight the often unverified and speculative nature of the narratives that circulate within the realm of paranormal investigations.
- [03:34] 'Bulletproof werewolves that couldn’t be killed no matter how many times they shot it.'
- [07:13] 'In a moonlit field, Keller claims they encountered a half beaver, half dinosaur creature.'
- [21:30] 'One idea was to use psychic powers to summon the UFOs.'
The transcript provides insights into how the government has allegedly engaged in creating or promoting false UFO evidence. It mentions that the government has been involved in creating fake UFO images and spreading rumors about extraterrestrial encounters. This tactic was reportedly used to divert attention from sensitive, top-secret military technology. The speaker cites a Wall Street Journal report indicating that these fabricated stories were designed to mislead the public and officials about the true nature of certain military operations, thus acting as a veil over classified activities.
Additionally, the transcript refers to instances where fake Special Access Programs were established, purportedly as hazing rituals within the government. This suggests a culture where the absurdity of paranormal claims was not only tolerated but integrated into certain clandestine operations. However, specific details regarding the mechanics of these programs or any explicit examples of hazing rituals are not provided in the transcript.
Moreover, it is mentioned that the government utilized UFO cover stories to protect advancements in sixth-generation aircraft technology. This implies a deliberate effort to distract from and obscure real military advancements by feeding into the public's fascination with UFOs. Such tactics raise questions about the integrity of information disseminated by government officials and the extent to which they may have exploited public interest in the paranormal.
- [24:06] 'The report says the government created fake UFO images and promoted rumors about aliens to cover up their own top secret humanmade technology.'
- [22:54] 'In 2023, then Senator Marco Rubio told Fox News, "Either they’re telling the truth, and that is something that obviously would be the biggest story in human history..."'
- [24:33] 'We built these UFO cover stories to protect what we were really doing.'
In the transcript, several government programs and funding initiatives are highlighted, particularly focusing on their intended purposes and the context in which they were established. Notably, a significant mention is made of the $22 million funding acquired by Senator Harry Reid. This funding was directed to his associate, Robert Bigelow, to explore various paranormal phenomena at Bigelow's Skinwalker Ranch, which is known for its claims of supernatural occurrences.
The transcript hints at the broader framework of government interest in UFOs and the paranormal, referencing programs such as Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP) and the AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program). These programs were ostensibly established to investigate aerial threats, including unidentified flying objects, although the details regarding their specific missions and findings are not extensively detailed in the transcript.
Moreover, the speaker emphasizes that the funding obtained by Reid was not explicitly detailed to Congress as being for paranormal investigations. Instead, it was presented under the guise of military aerospace expenditures, which obscured its true purpose from the broader legislative body. This lack of transparency raises concerns about accountability and the ethical implications of government funding directed toward fringe science.
- [05:01] 'Reid acquired 22 million taxpayer dollars and gave it to his buddy Bigalow to hunt spooky things at his spooky ranch.'
- [19:40] 'Brown says he was one of the Pentagon task force analysts who determined that the objects in this US Navy video were flying pyramids.'
- [22:30] 'Members of Congress were notified of its existence... assured that they never actually did anything.'
The interaction between the group of 'True Believers' in paranormal phenomena and U.S. government institutions is characterized by a complex relationship marked by both intrigue and skepticism. The transcript suggests that there exists a 'UFO religion' within the government, where certain officials have a genuine belief in paranormal activities, including UFOs and other supernatural occurrences. This belief system seems to have infiltrated various levels of the Pentagon, leading to actions that some may consider irrational or unscientific.
One significant event that catalyzed government action was a 2017 New York Times article that reported on UFO sightings and encounters by military personnel. The speaker notes that this article acted as a 'domino' effect, prompting Congress to respond to public interest and pressure to investigate UFO phenomena. As a result, congressional focus shifted from official, data-backed assessments to sensational claims made by individuals within this rogue group.
Furthermore, the transcript indicates that Senator Reid played a crucial role in obtaining funding for the paranormal investigations while downplaying the nature of the activities being funded. This maneuvering illustrates how the interests of a small group could influence larger governmental actions without a thorough understanding or endorsement from the broader congressional body. The overlapping interests between these 'True Believers' and government institutions raise critical questions about the integrity and motives behind the funding and legitimacy of the programs instituted.
- [23:20] 'After retiring from the Pentagon, Kirk Patrick stated that there is a zealous paranormal religion inside the US government.'
- [16:07] 'Because of the onslaught of media coverage caused by the Times story... Congress put pressure on the Pentagon to look into UFOs.'
- [05:32] 'Reid simply didn’t mention any of that.'
The transcript addresses the need for mundane or technological explanations regarding some of the most famous UFO sightings, particularly emphasizing a scientific approach to understanding these phenomena. For instance, it mentions how certain objects in Navy videos, which were initially perceived as unidentified flying objects, were later debunked as out of focus stars. This explanation highlights the importance of considering optical effects when evaluating UFO sightings.
In the context of the tic-tac UFO incident, the transcript suggests that the appearances of these objects could be attributed to parallax illusions, which occur when an object is viewed from different angles, creating the illusion of movement or shape. Additionally, it mentions how the triangular shape of some flying objects could have been a result of the triangular camera iris used in capturing the footage, rather than indicating a sophisticated alien technology.
Moreover, the transcript references the potential for sightings of mundane objects, such as party balloons or even Chinese spycraft, to be misidentified as UFOs. These explanations serve to ground the discussion in reality, reminding the audience that not all reported unidentified flying objects can be classified as extraterrestrial encounters.
- [19:44] 'The objects in the video are actually just out of focus stars and only look triangular because the camera had a triangular iris.'
- [22:31] 'This rogue program never got that far. It was discovered and shut down.'
- [14:35] 'The objects in the video were later debunked.'
[00:00] The following[00:02] is a true story.[00:05] Believe it[00:07] or not,[00:09] a rogue group of paranormal true[00:12] believers inside the US government claim[00:16] they've had close encounters with UFOs,[00:21] ghosts,[00:23] psychic powers,[00:25] Bigfoot.[00:27] For decades, they've been trying to find[00:30] a supernatural truth. Some say they're[00:33] crusaders that will change the world.[00:37] Others say they could simply be crazy.[00:40] Either they're telling the truth or we[00:43] have people in really important[00:44] positions of government who are crazy.[00:47] I have uncovered new government[00:49] documents that reveal more shocking[00:51] stories about this group who I call[00:59] [Music][01:07] If you've seen a news story about UFOs[01:09] over the last 7 years, chances are that[01:12] story came from someone in this group.[01:15] Many of them either worked in the US[01:17] government or for the US government and[01:20] have been hunting the paranormal on the[01:22] taxpayers's dime. In some cases, for[01:26] many decades, I've spent the last few[01:28] years investigating this group, and I've[01:31] debunked many of their wild stories and[01:34] claims. Beyond some spooky stories,[01:36] there appears to be nothing. But despite[01:40] this complete lack of evidence, this[01:42] group continues to passionately push[01:45] forward, faithfully believing that the[01:47] truth is out there, and they want[01:50] American tax dollars to fund their[01:52] crusade.[01:53] [Music][02:01] In the 1970s, the CIA created a secret[02:04] $20 million program called Project[02:07] Stargate. The goal was to create psychic[02:10] soldiers to fight the Soviet Union[02:12] during the Cold War. The secret[02:14] paranormal program was made up of[02:17] various military officials, a bunch of[02:20] claimed psychics, and soon-to-be world[02:22] famous magician Uri Geller, who claimed[02:25] he could bend spoons with his mind. You[02:28] may have heard about this from the[02:29] famous book and movie, The Men Who Stare[02:33] at Goats. That's the title, because one[02:35] of the many wacky things they did was[02:38] try to literally kill goats just by[02:41] staring at them. And yes, that is George[02:44] Clooney. But ultimately in 1995, this[02:48] $20 million paranormal government[02:50] program was shut down after the CIA[02:54] determined it was a waste of time and[02:56] money because surprise surprise, psychic[03:00] powers aren't real.[03:02] [Music][03:10] That same year, 1995, these paranormal[03:13] true believers quickly found a new[03:15] source of funding. Real estate[03:18] billionaire Robert Bigalow, a paranormal[03:20] enthusiast. Bigalow hired them to[03:23] investigate his supposedly haunted ranch[03:25] in Utah, which is now known as[03:27] Skinwalker Ranch. The things that some[03:30] of these paranormal hunters claim[03:32] happened at Skinwalker Ranch are[03:34] mindblowing.[03:36] Bulletproof werewolves that couldn't be[03:38] killed no matter how many times they[03:40] shot it. Flying saucers landing in the[03:44] backyard. Flying saucers and Bigfoot[03:48] showing up at the same time. Dogs in[03:52] trench coats standing on two legs and[03:54] smoking cigarettes. and my personal[03:57] favorite, the literal alien from the[04:01] movie Predator running around causing[04:04] havoc. Naturally, these supernatural[04:07] investigators never presented any proof[04:10] of any of this except, of course, for an[04:13] evidence-free book for sale on Amazon[04:16] for $13.[04:18] By the way, I went out to Skinwalker[04:21] Ranch myself and looked everywhere. I[04:24] even spent the night there. I didn't see[04:27] anything paranormal whatsoever.[04:31] Absence of evidence notwithstanding,[04:33] these ghost hunters soon attracted the[04:35] interest of US Senator Harry Reid, a[04:39] lifelong member of the Mormon church and[04:42] a self-professed believer in paranormal[04:45] phenomena. More importantly, Reed was a[04:49] friend to Robert Bigalow, the owner of[04:52] Skinwalker Ranch. and Bigalow had[04:55] donated money, often to Senator Reid's[04:58] reelection campaigns. In 2008, Reed[05:01] acquired 22 million taxpayer dollars and[05:05] gave it to his buddy Bigalow to hunt[05:08] spooky things at his spooky ranch. This[05:11] time with the resources of the US[05:13] government. Now, you may be wondering,[05:16] how did Senator Reid convince the rest[05:19] of the United States Congress to give up[05:22] millions of dollars for a super sketchy[05:25] alien ghost adventure? Well, Reed simply[05:28] didn't mention any of that. Here is the[05:32] actual $22 million program Reed helped[05:35] set up. There are no mentions of UFOs,[05:39] ghosts, or any paranormal spooky things.[05:43] just normal boilerplate military[05:45] aerospace stuff that the government[05:48] normally spends money on. As such, no[05:51] one outside of this one rogue group of[05:54] ghost hunters knew at the time what the[05:57] money was actually going to be spent on.[06:00] So, with millions of taxpayer dollars in[06:02] the bank, a fresh new group of Pentagon[06:05] Ghostbusters flew out to Skinwalker[06:08] Ranch to meet up with the OG Pentagon[06:10] Ghostbusters. and together they went out[06:13] to look for spooky things. They later[06:16] released another evidence-free book for[06:19] sale on Amazon for $19. In the book,[06:23] they claimed they encountered the same[06:25] things as the first book. UFOs, wolf[06:29] monsters, poltergeist activity, etc. But[06:33] this time they claimed there were new[06:36] creepy things haunting the ranch.[06:46] The story goes like this. One night in[06:49] 2009 on Skinwalker Ranch, Pentagon[06:52] contractor Cole Keller went out to look[06:54] for spooky things with a female Pentagon[06:57] official. In a moonlit field, Keller[07:00] claims they encountered a half beaver,[07:04] half dinosaur creature. It walked slowly[07:08] past them and then disappeared. The[07:11] female Pentagon official was allegedly[07:13] so shaken from this dino Bieber[07:15] experience that she asked a skinwalker[07:18] security guard to remain outside her[07:20] room for the rest of the night. This[07:23] woman's paranormal encounters would[07:25] reportedly not end with the dinosaur[07:28] beaver. It's claimed that the evil[07:31] skinwalker phenomena attached itself to[07:34] her and followed her from the ranch in[07:37] Utah back to her home in Virginia where[07:40] it haunted and tormented her. According[07:44] to the Pentagon ghost hunters, a monster[07:47] owl violently attacked her. Poltergeist[07:50] wre havoc in her home, smashing wine[07:53] bottles and spooky ghostly orbs floated[07:56] around her home. But who was she? This[07:59] group is notoriously made up of men. So,[08:01] she's a unique addition to the group. As[08:04] a journalist trying to put all the[08:06] pieces of this paranormal puzzle[08:08] together, I really wanted to find out.[08:10] All I knew was that the Pentagon ghost[08:12] hunters referred to her in their book[08:15] with a name that has the initials JW.[08:18] Another Pentagon official in his book[08:20] refers to JW as beautiful, lethal, and[08:25] worthy of being on the cover of Vogue[08:28] magazine.[08:31] For years, she's remained a mystery, but[08:34] two documents offered clues. One is an[08:38] official letter written by Senator Harry[08:40] Reid to the Pentagon in 2009. It lists[08:45] the names of officials who were working[08:48] on this spooky program. One of them is a[08:51] woman with initials JW. This other[08:55] document was created by the Pentagon[08:57] contractors at Skinwalker Ranch. In it[09:01] is a chart tracking what they claimed[09:03] was the Skinwalker Poltergeist as it[09:06] follows people from the ranch back to[09:08] their homes across America. One of them[09:12] is a JW.[09:15] After further research, talking to[09:17] sources, and getting confirmations,[09:19] I finally found JW, the Dino Beaver[09:23] Girl.[09:27] Jessica Wyatt is currently a division[09:30] chief at the Defense Intelligence[09:32] Agency, which is a government agency[09:34] that collects and analyzes intelligence[09:36] to help the military plan missions and[09:39] understand threats. Wyatt did not[09:41] respond to my written request for[09:43] comment. I did briefly speak to her on[09:45] the phone, but she declined to answer my[09:48] questions about the wild paranormal[09:50] encounters she reportedly had. On her[09:53] Facebook, she remains friends with some[09:55] of the same Pentagon ghost hunters from[09:58] the Skinwalker Ranch program, like Eric[10:00] Davis and Jay Stratton, who also claimed[10:04] their houses were haunted after leaving[10:06] the ranch. In one Facebook post, Wyatt[10:09] shared an image of what appeared to be a[10:11] flock of birds in the sky, but she says[10:14] they are not birds, but metallic UFOs.[10:19] She says the spooky phenomena continues[10:22] to follow her.[10:31] [Music][10:35] Jay Stratton, a decorated US Marine and[10:38] senior intelligence officer, says the[10:41] scariest thing he ever experienced[10:44] didn't happen in Iraq or Afghanistan,[10:47] but rather on Skinwalker Ranch. As[10:50] Stratton tells it on the Skinwalker[10:52] Ranch reality TV show on the History[10:54] Channel, in 2009, he and two other US[10:57] Marines went out onto the ranch at[11:00] night. He says the moon was bright and[11:02] was casting shadows on the ground. As[11:05] they approached a certain tree, they[11:07] were overcome with fear. The closer they[11:10] got to the tree, the more fear they[11:13] felt. And then they discovered that they[11:16] couldn't physically cross over the[11:18] treere's shadow on the ground. It was as[11:21] if the shadow had paralyzed them. Then[11:24] up on the top of one of the ranch's[11:27] abandoned buildings, Stratton says they[11:30] saw a large dark humanoid figure like a[11:34] wraith or a demon. Stratton says this[11:37] evil presence followed him from the[11:39] ranch in Utah back to his home in[11:42] Maryland where it continued to haunt[11:44] him. At one point, Stratton claims a[11:47] horrifying werewolf creature stalked his[11:50] backyard.[11:55] But who were the other two Marines with[11:57] Stratton that night? One of them[11:59] publicly replied to Stratton's story on[12:02] X, saying he was there that night and[12:05] cooperates Stratton's spooky paranormal[12:07] claims. JL Bourne, a pseudonym, is[12:11] currently a published author of multiple[12:13] fictional books with paranormal and[12:16] science fiction themes. On his ex[12:18] account, he says he was part of this[12:21] rogue paranormal Pentagon program. While[12:24] looking for this book author to ask him[12:27] some questions, public information led[12:29] me to a Gary Ramsay.[12:33] Gary Ramsay appears on both of these[12:35] documents on Harry Reid's list of[12:38] Pentagon officials that hunted the[12:39] paranormal at Skinwalker Ranch and the[12:42] chart of potentially haunted program[12:44] participants. Ramsay did not respond to[12:47] my inquiries.[12:49] Once this rogue group started actually[12:52] submitting their paranormal reports to[12:54] the Pentagon, officials who were[12:56] previously in the dark finally realized[12:59] what was going on and what the money was[13:02] being spent on. They were reportedly[13:04] shocked and outraged. Taxpayer funding[13:07] for this program was pulled in 2010.[13:10] Senator Reid, who was up for reelection[13:13] that year, decided to throw in the towel[13:16] and walk away. The entire fiasco was[13:19] completely shut down in 2012.[13:23] [Music][13:31] You've probably heard of the infamous[13:32] tic-tac UFO incident. Navy pilots in[13:36] 2004 supposedly encountered an extremely[13:40] fast and extremely spooky tic-tac-shaped[13:43] UFO over the Pacific oceans. This now[13:47] famous video allegedly shows the object[13:50] that they saw. In 2021, 60 Minutes[13:53] featured David Fraver and Alex Dietrich,[13:56] two of the Navy pilots who say they[13:58] witnessed the tic tac and claim it[14:00] displayed supernatural characteristics.[14:03] Fraver had previously gone public, but[14:06] this was Dietrich's first time in the[14:08] public eye. She quickly became a folk[14:11] hero in the media and to UFO believers.[14:14] a Sigourney Weaver lookalike who'd had a[14:17] dog fight with aliens. But what was[14:20] never really revealed is that Dietrich[14:23] is intimately connected to this same[14:26] group. Back in 2009, the Pentagon[14:29] Paranormal Investigators interviewed her[14:32] about her Tic Tac experience, and a few[14:35] years later, she married one of them.[14:39] [Music][14:40] I stumbled upon this photo on Dietrich's[14:43] Facebook, which led me to Michael Green.[14:46] Green was one of the other US Marines[14:48] who was part of the Pentagon program at[14:51] Skinwalker Ranch. This 2012 document[14:54] again tracks the supposed spread of[14:57] poltergeist phenomena from Skinwalker[15:00] Ranch to people's homes. One of the[15:02] arrows points from the ranch to Alex[15:05] Dietrich and Michael Green. So, what[15:08] kind of paranormal activity were they[15:10] experiencing? Ghosts, wolf creatures,[15:13] aliens? Neither of them would respond to[15:16] my inquiries, but all of this seems like[15:18] important context that the public should[15:20] know. Both Green and Dietrich are[15:23] currently advisers for a UFO advocacy[15:25] group along with some of the same people[15:29] from this same group. The group is[15:32] lobbying Congress to spend more[15:34] resources on UFOs.[15:36] Dietrich was recently a keynote speaker[15:39] at a Bigfoot festival.[15:47] [Music][15:50] In 2017, members of this group somehow[15:54] convinced the New York Times to[15:55] credulously print their story and their[15:58] claims on the front page. The Times[16:01] story was rife with errors and[16:03] inaccuracies, but that didn't stop it[16:06] from becoming a massive global[16:07] sensation. Because of the onslaught of[16:10] media coverage caused by the Times[16:13] story, which was then heavily promoted[16:15] by members of this group of true[16:17] believers, Congress put pressure on the[16:20] Pentagon to look into UFOs. And so in[16:23] 2020, the Pentagon created an official[16:26] UFO task force to actually officially[16:30] this time investigate UFOs. But who was[16:33] going to be on this task force? I mean,[16:36] now that the Pentagon knew about these[16:39] true believers in the unauthorized[16:41] paranormal program they were a part of,[16:44] there's no way the Pentagon was going to[16:45] let them anywhere near this new thing.[16:48] Right.[16:50] Right.[16:51] The Pentagon put some of the same people[16:55] from this same group on this new task[16:58] force.[17:00] Why? How? What is going on here? I've[17:04] asked the Pentagon this question and[17:06] have not gotten an answer. Anyway, so[17:09] the Pentagon Ghostbusters were back at[17:11] it again, and this time they added even[17:13] more paranormal believers to their team.[17:16] I've previously reported on many of the[17:18] names and faces you see here. Links to[17:21] my reports are in the description below,[17:23] but there were other Pentagon officials[17:25] who participated in this new task force[17:27] who for years remained unknown. But I[17:30] found some of them and their stories are[17:33] just as crazy as you would expect.[17:36] [Music][17:44] Sarah Gam has been a Pentagon scientist[17:46] for the last two decades, working with[17:49] various military agencies and[17:51] contractors on very sensitive national[17:54] security initiatives. She says she[17:56] served as an analyst for the Pentagon[17:58] UFO Task Force. Gam claims that in 2012[18:02] she died after a surgery in the[18:05] hospital. She says she went to heaven,[18:08] saw God, and he sent her back to her[18:10] body on Earth. She says she woke up with[18:14] accelerated psychic powers. These[18:17] powers, she says, gave her the ability[18:19] to both see and communicate with ghosts,[18:23] spirits, and angels. She says she's also[18:27] used her psychic powers to find aliens[18:30] hiding on Earth. For years, Gam offered[18:34] up her psychic services for various[18:36] prices. For example, she could help you[18:38] talk to a dead person for $100 an hour.[18:42] Currently, when she's not working on[18:44] sensitive national security initiatives[18:46] for the US Army, she attends ghost[18:48] festivals and talks to spirits. Gam did[18:51] not respond to my request for comment.[18:54] Kevin Brown was a US Army official for[18:56] 28 years. He spent the last two years of[18:59] his government career as an intelligence[19:01] analyst for the Pentagon's UFO task[19:03] force. Brown, who spoke to me on the[19:06] phone, says his interest in hunting the[19:08] paranormal, goes back many years. He[19:11] says one time while staying at the[19:12] Stanley Hotel, which is the hotel[19:15] featured in the movie The Shining, the[19:17] ghost of a 12-year-old girl attached[19:19] herself to him and followed him home. He[19:22] says the dead girl now haunts his house,[19:24] plays tricks on him, and often tickles[19:27] his feet while he sleeps. He says he[19:29] later learned her name was Katie and[19:31] that she was killed at the Shining[19:33] Hotel. Brown says he was one of the[19:36] Pentagon task force analyst who[19:38] determined that the objects in this US[19:40] Navy video were flying pyramids. This[19:44] however was later debunked. The objects[19:47] in the video are actually just out of[19:49] focus stars and only look triangular[19:52] because the camera had a triangular[19:54] iris.[19:56] But despite this, Brown tells me he[19:58] continues to hold his belief that these[20:01] are pyramid UFOs being flown either by[20:04] aliens or humans from the future. Brown,[20:08] now retired from the Pentagon, currently[20:11] attends and speaks at paranormal[20:13] festivals and does psychic ghost tours[20:15] with his close friend Sarah Gan.[20:25] David Grush is probably someone you've[20:28] heard of. He's a US Air Force reservist[20:30] who claims he once had very high[20:32] security clearances to very sensitive[20:34] areas of the military. In 2023, he[20:38] testified to Congress that the[20:39] government is hiding alien UFOs and[20:42] alien bodies. This made headlines around[20:45] the world. But something you haven't[20:48] heard yet is that back in 2021, Grush,[20:51] without proper authorization, expanded a[20:54] pre-existing top secret program to[20:56] include a new mission for UFO[20:59] acquisition and research. The goal of[21:02] this rogue effort was for true believers[21:05] to get their hands on crashed UFOs, take[21:08] them apart, and study them. But how does[21:11] one get a UFO to experiment on? Well,[21:14] for many years, UFO believers have[21:17] spitballled a few ideas. One idea was to[21:20] use psychic powers to summon the UFOs.[21:24] This idea actually made headlines in[21:26] January 2025 when Air Force veteran Jake[21:30] Barber went public about his supposed[21:32] alien experiences. Barber claims he can[21:34] summon UFOs with his mind. And David[21:37] Grush was recently cited at the Eselin[21:40] Institute sitting next to Barber and New[21:43] Age Gurus for psychic summoning[21:45] conference. The participants put on[21:47] these magic goggles, lay out in the[21:50] desert, and train their psychic mind[21:52] powers to beckon the UFOs to come. They[21:55] claim this is real and that it works,[21:57] but no real evidence of this has ever[22:00] been provided. Another idea to summon[22:02] the UFOs actually goes back many years.[22:05] True believers claim the aliens are[22:07] attracted to nuclear weapons. So, a[22:10] nuclear bomb detonated in the Pacific[22:12] Ocean, for example, could attract UFOs,[22:14] which could then, according to[22:16] believers, be brought down with lasers[22:19] or psychic powers or who knows, because[22:22] luckily, this rogue program never got[22:24] that far. It was discovered and shut[22:27] down. A 2024 Pentagon report says[22:30] members of Congress were notified of its[22:32] existence, assured that they never[22:34] actually did anything, and that the[22:36] program was terminated for quote lack of[22:39] merit. And that's putting it lightly.[22:41] Now, if you're a little concerned to[22:43] learn that the government employs and[22:45] gives high top secret clearances to[22:48] fringe paranormal conspiracy people,[22:50] you're not alone. In 2023, then Senator[22:54] Marco Rubio told Fox News,[22:57] "Either they're telling the truth, and[22:59] that is something that obviously would[23:00] be uh the biggest story in human[23:02] history, or we have people in really[23:05] important positions of government, who[23:06] are crazy and who are out there making[23:08] up stories and and who are still in[23:10] positions of importance. Either one is a[23:12] big problem." In 2024, Shan Kirkpatre,[23:15] who is the director of Arrow, the[23:17] Pentagon's current UFO office, released[23:20] a report debunking the claims of these[23:22] Pentagon true believers. After retiring[23:25] from the Pentagon, Kirk Patrick stated[23:27] that there is a zealous paranormal[23:29] religion inside the US government. And[23:32] he says this religion is a potential[23:35] national security threat. I think that[23:38] is disturbing and should be a flag for[23:42] the national security community because[23:45] how can you then trust those people? How[23:48] can you trust them with n our national[23:50] secrets? Adding an even weirder twist to[23:54] all of this is a bombshell Wall Street[23:56] Journal report revealing that the US[23:59] government itself was the source of many[24:03] of these paranormal UFO claims. The[24:06] report says the government created fake[24:08] UFO images and promoted rumors about[24:12] aliens to cover up their own top secret[24:15] humanmade technology.[24:18] I interviewed one of the Pentagon[24:19] officials who discovered all this and he[24:22] estimates thousands of government[24:24] officials were convinced that aliens[24:27] were real because of these fake stories[24:31] planted by the government. There was a[24:33] lot of misbehavior by our government[24:36] early on. We built these UFO cover[24:40] stories to protect what we were really[24:41] doing.[24:42] To what extent the government inspired[24:45] all these Pentagon paranormal believers[24:47] to chase fake monsters is still yet to[24:50] be seen. But one thing's for sure, these[24:54] supernatural crusaders are still there.[24:58] Still searching undeterred[25:01] for their truth.[25:04] [Music]
Spooky Hustlers: How wacky UFO activists and "crazy" ghost hunters duped Congress into hunting UFOs
The video transcript begins with a dramatic introduction discussing the ongoing revelations about UFOs, highlighting claims from a whistleblower that the government has been aware of UFO encounters for years. The narrative suggests that the existence of UFOs is becoming increasingly credible, with Congress pushing for more transparency and investigation into these phenomena. A task force has been established to explore the reality of UFOs, with reports indicating that the government is prepared for a long-term inquiry into these matters.
The speaker provides a brief history of the UFO narrative, tracing it back to 2007 when Senator Harry Reid initiated a Pentagon program called the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP). The program was initially funded with $22 million, primarily awarded to Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), a company founded by Robert Bigelow, a long-time supporter of Reid. The program's leadership included Luis Elizondo, who became a prominent figure in UFO discussions after resigning from the Pentagon in 2017 due to frustrations over the lack of seriousness regarding UFOs within military circles.
Following Elizondo's departure, he and others took their findings to Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy (TTSA), where they held a press event revealing new insights into UFOs, including videos of unidentified aerial phenomena captured by the U.S. Navy. Despite the initial excitement, skepticism arose when some of the purported UFO sightings were later identified as mundane objects, such as a blurry party balloon.
The mainstream media's reaction to the TTSA's revelations was initially dismissive, framing it as celebrity news rather than a serious national security issue. However, the narrative shifted when the New York Times published a front-page article in December 2017, confirming the existence of AATIP and featuring videos of UFOs, which led to widespread media coverage and public interest.
Despite the growing attention, some researchers, like John Greenwald, raised concerns about discrepancies in the reporting of AATIP's details, such as inconsistencies in the program's name and timeline. Greenwald noted that different news outlets reported varying names for the program, which could complicate future investigations and requests for information under the Freedom of Information Act.
Further complications arose regarding Elizondo's role in AATIP, as Pentagon statements suggested he had no official responsibilities within the program, contradicting media portrayals of him as its director. This discrepancy raised questions about the accuracy of the information being disseminated and the motivations behind it.
As the narrative unfolds, it becomes evident that the investigation into UFOs at Skinwalker Ranch, a site notorious for paranormal activity, was not solely focused on extraterrestrial phenomena but also included a range of bizarre occurrences, such as encounters with werewolves and other supernatural entities. The ranch's history includes various claims of strange sightings and experiences, which have been sensationalized in media portrayals.
Brandon Fugal, the current owner of Skinwalker Ranch, has embraced the ranch's reputation as a paranormal hotspot, even inviting skeptics to visit and investigate. His ownership has been marked by attempts to legitimize the ranch's investigations through scientific means, although critics argue that the evidence presented has often been anecdotal and lacking in rigorous scientific validation.
The transcript also highlights the involvement of various individuals, including former military personnel and scientists, who have contributed to the ongoing narrative surrounding Skinwalker Ranch. These figures have made bold claims about their experiences and the phenomena observed at the ranch, further fueling public interest and speculation.
As the speaker prepares to spend a night at Skinwalker Ranch, he reflects on the various stories and claims associated with the site, expressing skepticism about the validity of many of the reports while acknowledging the allure of the unknown. The narrative concludes with the speaker's anticipation of potential experiences during his stay, underscoring the complex interplay between belief, skepticism, and the search for truth in the realm of the paranormal.
To further elaborate on the historical context, the discussion of UFOs and government acknowledgment has evolved significantly over the past few decades. The initial stigma surrounding UFO sightings, often dismissed as mere conspiracy theories or the product of overactive imaginations, has gradually shifted. This change can be attributed to a combination of factors, including the increasing number of credible witnesses, advancements in technology that allow for better documentation of sightings, and a growing public interest in the unexplained.
In the early days of UFO sightings, reports were often met with ridicule, and those who claimed to have encountered unidentified flying objects were frequently labeled as delusional or misinformed. However, as more military personnel and credible witnesses began to come forward with their experiences, the narrative surrounding UFOs began to gain traction. The establishment of AATIP marked a pivotal moment in this evolution, as it represented a formal acknowledgment by the government that these phenomena warranted investigation.
Senator Harry Reid's role in initiating AATIP cannot be overstated. His advocacy for the program was driven by a genuine concern for national security and a desire to understand the implications of unidentified aerial phenomena. The funding allocated to AATIP, while modest by government standards, was significant in that it allowed for a dedicated effort to explore the potential threats posed by these encounters. The involvement of Bigelow Aerospace, a company with a vested interest in aerospace research and development, added a layer of credibility to the program.
Luis Elizondo's resignation from the Pentagon was a watershed moment in the UFO discourse. His decision to leave was fueled by frustration over the bureaucratic inertia surrounding the investigation of UFOs. Elizondo's subsequent partnership with Tom DeLonge's To The Stars Academy was instrumental in bringing the issue to the forefront of public consciousness. The press event they held showcased compelling evidence, including videos captured by Navy pilots that depicted unexplained aerial phenomena exhibiting flight characteristics beyond known technology.
Despite the initial excitement surrounding these revelations, skepticism persisted. The identification of some UFO sightings as mundane objects, such as party balloons or drones, served to temper the enthusiasm of some researchers and the public. This skepticism was further fueled by the media's tendency to sensationalize the topic, often framing it as entertainment rather than a serious inquiry into national security. The New York Times' article in December 2017 marked a turning point, as it lent a degree of legitimacy to the discussion and prompted a broader examination of the government's role in investigating UFOs.
John Greenwald's concerns regarding the discrepancies in reporting on AATIP highlight the challenges faced by researchers attempting to navigate the complex landscape of UFO investigations. The inconsistencies in program names and timelines can create confusion and hinder efforts to obtain accurate information through the Freedom of Information Act. This situation underscores the importance of transparency in government operations, particularly when it comes to matters of national security and public interest.
Elizondo's role within AATIP has been a point of contention, with conflicting statements from the Pentagon regarding his responsibilities. This ambiguity raises questions about the motivations behind the dissemination of information related to UFOs and the potential for misinformation to cloud public understanding. The lack of clarity surrounding key figures in the investigation can lead to distrust among researchers and the public, complicating efforts to establish a coherent narrative about UFO encounters.
The investigation into Skinwalker Ranch adds another layer of complexity to the UFO discourse. The ranch, located in Utah, has gained notoriety for its association with paranormal phenomena, including sightings of UFOs, strange creatures, and other unexplained occurrences. The site's reputation has been bolstered by various media portrayals, which often sensationalize the experiences reported by visitors and researchers alike.
Brandon Fugal's ownership of Skinwalker Ranch represents a unique approach to the investigation of paranormal phenomena. By inviting skeptics and researchers to explore the site, Fugal seeks to foster an environment of inquiry and exploration. However, the challenge remains in balancing the desire for scientific validation with the often anecdotal nature of the evidence presented. Critics argue that the lack of rigorous scientific methodology in investigating the ranch's phenomena undermines the credibility of the claims made.
The involvement of former military personnel and scientists in the ongoing narrative surrounding Skinwalker Ranch adds a layer of credibility to the claims made about the site. These individuals often bring a wealth of experience and knowledge to the investigation, contributing to a more nuanced understanding of the phenomena observed. However, their bold claims can also fuel speculation and sensationalism, complicating the public's perception of the truth surrounding the ranch.
As the speaker prepares to spend a night at Skinwalker Ranch, he grapples with the tension between skepticism and curiosity. The allure of the unknown is a powerful motivator for many who seek to understand the phenomena associated with the ranch. While skepticism is a necessary component of critical inquiry, the speaker acknowledges the potential for unexpected experiences that could challenge preconceived notions about the paranormal.
The conclusion of the narrative emphasizes the complex interplay between belief, skepticism, and the search for truth in the realm of the paranormal. As investigations into UFOs and other unexplained phenomena continue to evolve, the need for rigorous scientific inquiry and transparency remains paramount. The ongoing dialogue surrounding these topics reflects a broader societal fascination with the unknown and a desire to uncover the mysteries that lie beyond our current understanding.
In summary, the video transcript encapsulates the current state of UFO investigations, highlighting key figures, programs, and sites that have shaped the discourse. The evolution of public perception regarding UFOs, the role of government transparency, and the challenges faced by researchers all contribute to a rich and complex narrative. As interest in these phenomena continues to grow, the quest for understanding remains a driving force in the exploration of the unknown.
Moreover, the implications of these investigations extend beyond mere curiosity; they touch upon fundamental questions about humanity's place in the universe and the nature of reality itself. As researchers delve deeper into the mysteries of UFOs and paranormal phenomena, they confront not only the limits of our current scientific understanding but also the philosophical implications of their findings.
The ongoing inquiry into UFOs serves as a reminder of the importance of maintaining an open mind while also applying critical thinking. The balance between skepticism and belief is delicate, and navigating this terrain requires a commitment to rigorous investigation and a willingness to confront uncomfortable truths. As the speaker's journey at Skinwalker Ranch unfolds, it becomes clear that the search for answers is as much about the questions we ask as it is about the phenomena we seek to understand.
Ultimately, the narrative surrounding UFOs and paranormal phenomena is a reflection of humanity's enduring quest for knowledge and understanding. Whether through the lens of science, philosophy, or personal experience, the exploration of the unknown continues to captivate and inspire. As we stand on the precipice of discovery, the potential for new insights and revelations beckons, inviting us to embrace the mysteries that lie ahead.
In conclusion, the video transcript provides a comprehensive overview of the current landscape of UFO investigations, emphasizing the interplay between government transparency, public interest, and the complexities of scientific inquiry. The historical context, key figures, and ongoing investigations all contribute to a rich tapestry of narratives that shape our understanding of the unknown. As we continue to explore these phenomena, the pursuit of truth remains a guiding principle, driving us to seek answers to the questions that have long eluded us.
The confusion surrounding the naming of the "Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program" (AAWSAP) and the "Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program" (AATIP) has been a significant point of contention among critics. They argue that this inconsistency has facilitated a narrative that some describe as "intentionally deceptive." The distinction between these two programs is muddled; AATIP appears to have been a term adopted later, potentially to obscure the original intent of AAWSAP. James Latsky, a key figure in the Pentagon's investigation, indicated that while the program was publicly characterized as focusing on UFOs and related phenomena, it was, in fact, a broader initiative aimed at studying aerospace technologies. This strategic framing likely made the program more acceptable to Congress and the public, which may explain the allocation of $22 million in taxpayer dollars for its funding.
Moreover, a core group of activists played a crucial role in framing this narrative for the 2017 New York Times report. Figures such as Lou Elizondo and Leslie Kane were instrumental in emphasizing the scientific aspects of UFO research while downplaying or omitting more sensational elements, including the paranormal activities investigated at Skinwalker Ranch. This selective reporting contributed to the mainstream acceptance of UFO research as a legitimate national security concern. The motivations behind the New York Times article were to validate UFO research by presenting it with seriousness, thereby influencing congressional leaders like Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio to support ongoing investigations into aerial phenomena.
- [12:29] "Another confusing detail is at the very top of the original Times report is a video of a UFO filmed by the US Navy..."
- [26:38] "I chose not to focus on it because the angle that I was taking in my reporting was to try to get credibility for the subject..."
- [29:13] "...the original New York Times article about the program only contains 3% of the actual story..."
The relationship between Senator Harry Reid and Robert Bigelow is characterized by mutual support and collaboration, particularly in the realm of UFO research funding. Senator Reid, who played a pivotal role in the establishment of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program (AAWSAP), has a longstanding friendship with Bigelow, a millionaire and a notable financial supporter of Reid's political career.
Bigelow's company, Bigelow Aerospace Advanced Space Studies (BAASS), was awarded a substantial contract worth $22 million to conduct research for AAWSAP. However, this funding deviated significantly from the program's official scientific objectives, which were ostensibly focused on predicting foreign aerospace technologies. Instead, a considerable portion of the funding was allocated to investigations into UFOs and paranormal phenomena, an area that aligns more closely with Bigelow's personal interests.
This shift in focus raises ethical questions regarding the use of taxpayer dollars for research that does not conform to its advertised objectives. The funding was secured through a complex process where the program was framed in scientific terms to gain congressional approval. While initially presented as a serious inquiry into aerospace threats, it became evident that the program's scope included activities that many critics argue were not the original intent communicated to Congress.
Reid's support for the AAWSAP program, coupled with his connection to Bigelow, highlights potential conflicts of interest in the allocation of government funds for research projects that blur the lines between legitimate scientific inquiry and personal interests in the paranormal.
- [02:11] "...the Pentagon via the defense intelligence agency created a UFO program called the advanced Aerospace threat identification program or a tip..."
- [19:25] "...the Pentagon awarded the $22 million to Bigalow Aerospace Advanced space studies or bass..."
Skinwalker Ranch emerged as a focal point for Pentagon investigators primarily due to its notorious reputation as a hotspot for paranormal activity, which includes numerous UFO sightings and other unexplained phenomena. This heightened interest was significantly influenced by James Latsky, a scientist at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), who, after reading the book Hunt for the Skinwalker, expressed a strong desire to officially investigate the area.
The ranch's characterization as a 'living laboratory' reflects the program's activities, which extended beyond conventional aerospace research to include more speculative and controversial inquiries into ghosts, interdimensional beings, and other paranormal phenomena. This characterization underscores a significant departure from standard scientific practices, merging aerospace technology research with the supernatural.
In the transcript, it is outlined that Latsky, after experiencing something unusual at the ranch, collaborated with Senator Harry Reid to establish a program aimed at exploring these phenomena. They intentionally crafted the scope and objectives of the program to resemble a typical aerospace technology initiative, deliberately avoiding explicit references to UFOs or paranormal elements. This strategic omission was likely designed to secure congressional support for what would ultimately become the Advanced Aerospace Weapon Systems Application Program (AAWSAP).
This program allowed researchers to investigate a wide array of topics under the guise of legitimate scientific inquiry, reflecting the unpredictable and often controversial nature of research into unexplained phenomena at Skinwalker Ranch.
- [17:05] "...the advanced Aerospace weapon systems application program or assap..."
- [18:01] "...Senator Reid told New York Magazine I said to Latsky well if you were me what would you say to people in power..."
- [20:45] "...the so-called Pentagon UFO program was not just a UFO program but rather an investigation into a cornucopia of spooky and scary things including..."
The investigation into phenomena such as dino-beavers, werewolves, and hitchhikers at Skinwalker Ranch, funded by taxpayer money, raises significant concerns regarding the scientific rigor applied to these inquiries. Initially framed under the Pentagon's AAWSAP program as a serious investigation into aerospace threats, the focus shifted towards sensational explorations of paranormal activities, with little to no physical evidence documented to support the extraordinary claims made.
Critics of the program have pointed out that despite substantial funding and public interest, no credible physical evidence—such as photographs, videos, or biological samples—was ever produced. This absence of tangible proof undermines the credibility of the claims surrounding the ranch and its alleged supernatural occurrences. The reliance on anecdotal evidence and sensational narratives has overshadowed the necessity for empirical validation, reflecting a broader trend in the investigation of UFOs and paranormal phenomena.
Moreover, the ethical implications of using taxpayer funds for such dubious investigations are concerning, especially when the outcomes fail to meet established scientific standards. The transcript indicates that the project manager of the program referred to Skinwalker Ranch as a "paranormal Disneyland", suggesting a lack of seriousness in the scientific approach adopted. Additionally, the claims regarding health-related phenomena, including the "Hitchhiker" effect, were made without proper scientific verification or peer-reviewed studies, further questioning the rigor of the investigations. Notably, the team reportedly did not engage with major health organizations such as the CDC or NIH, which could have lent credibility to their claims.
- [16:15] "...the story we’ve been told for over 4 years is wrong..."
- [21:14] "...the project manager of the program referred to Skinwalker Ranch as a paranormal Disneyland..."
- [03:27:00] "...there is validity to those claims; illnesses and injuries have occurred at your Ranch absolutely..."
The authors of the 2017 New York Times article made a significant editorial decision to omit 97% of the original story, particularly the 'spooky' paranormal aspects associated with the Pentagon's AAWSAP program. Leslie Kane, one of the article's authors, aimed to enhance the credibility of UFO research by concentrating on its scientific merits. This deliberate exclusion of sensational elements was a strategic move designed to prevent undermining the legitimacy of the inquiry.
By focusing on the national security implications of unidentified aerial phenomena, the authors effectively reframed the narrative surrounding UFOs. This shift was pivotal in making the topic politically viable for influential leaders, such as Senators Kirsten Gillibrand and Marco Rubio. Their support for funding further investigations into aerial phenomena was facilitated by this new framing, which positioned UFO research as a legitimate concern for national defense.
The authors' approach not only garnered increased interest and funding in the field but also ensured that the narrative surrounding UFOs remained grounded in scientific inquiry. By downplaying the more bizarre aspects of the investigations, they mitigated the risk of skepticism and ridicule, thus securing ongoing support from both the public and political figures.
- [25:31] "...unfortunately it has also muddied the waters it left the government’s alsap program completely out of the narrative..."
- [26:49] "...I chose not to focus on it because the angle that I was taking in my reporting was to try to get credibility for the subject..."
- [29:08] "...97% wasn’t included..."
[00:19] [Music][00:24] you are here in the middle of a domino[00:28] effect[00:30] one that started years ago and one that[00:33] shows no sign of[00:37] stopping a bombshell story said UFOs are[00:40] real a whistleblower said the government[00:42] knows the military has encountered them[00:45] every day for years there are videos and[00:49] photos insiders say off-world Vehicles[00:52] Congress says we need to know more about[00:56] the UFO a task force created to figure[00:59] it out are they aliens is their doubt a[01:02] report's released saying maybe it's real[01:04] the information comes with an official[01:06] seal a UFO office without delusions will[01:09] look to the skies and find conclusions[01:11] the government seems ready for the Long[01:13] Haul and on and on the Domino's[01:17] fall I will tell you unequivocally that[01:21] there is very compelling evidence that[01:23] we uh we may not be alone this all seems[01:26] like it's heading towards an ultimate[01:29] truth no longer ignored a revelation For[01:32] Better or Worse will further Define the[01:36] universe but the story was too good to[01:40] be[01:41] true the story was[01:45] wrong and instead of being closer to the[01:49] truth we probably couldn't be further[01:54] [Music][01:58] away[02:01] for those of you unfamiliar with the[02:03] current UFO story and the cast of[02:06] characters within here's a quick primer[02:09] based on information that was originally[02:11] reported in 2007 at the behest of[02:15] Senator Harry Reid the Pentagon via the[02:18] defense intelligence agency created a[02:20] UFO program called the advanced[02:23] Aerospace threat identification program[02:26] or[02:27] atip the first director of ATP was a[02:30] person whose name wasn't reported and[02:32] who remained unknown the next director[02:35] of atip was Luis elzando a Counter[02:38] Intelligence official at the Pentagon[02:40] who by now has become the face of the[02:43] whole[02:44] story a tip was funded with $22[02:47] million the Pentagon awarded the $22[02:50] million to Bigalow Aerospace Advanced[02:53] space studies or bass bass was[02:56] contracted to perform atps UFO research[02:59] and invest[03:00] investigation bass was founded by[03:02] millionaire and longtime Harry Reid[03:04] Financial supporter Robert Bigalow[03:07] bolo's been hunting UFOs his whole[03:10] life within the bass team was Hal put[03:13] off a former member of the Church of[03:15] Scientology who claims to be a psychic[03:18] who can predict the[03:20] future during the Cold War Poff was[03:23] involved in the cia's project Stargate[03:25] which attempted to create psychic spies[03:28] that could use paranormal power to fight[03:30] the Russians Stargate was shut down[03:33] after not achieving this[03:35] goal the rest of the bass team was[03:38] largely[03:40] unknown atip investigated UFOs for 5[03:44] years from 2007 to[03:49] 2012 in 2012 the Pentagon pulled the[03:52] program's funding and shut it down[03:55] saying it was determined that there were[03:57] other higher priority issues that[03:59] merited[04:00] funding despite losing funding Luis[04:03] alzando claimed he kept atip going for[04:06] years after this staying on as the[04:09] program's director on October 4th 2017[04:14] elzando resigned from his job at the[04:16] Pentagon frustrated that UFOs were not[04:19] taken seriously by military leaders at[04:21] the Department of[04:23] [Music][04:24] Defense immediately after his[04:26] resignation elzando Hal put off and[04:29] others took the a tip UFO story to[04:31] former Blink 182 Rockstar Tom Delong and[04:35] his to the Stars Academy or ttsa a[04:38] for-profit science and entertainment[04:41] company on October 11th ttsa held a[04:44] press event featuring Tom Delong Lou[04:47] elzando Hal put off and other former[04:51] government officials who claimed to have[04:53] New Revelations about UFOs the long[04:56] introduced elzando to the world for the[04:58] first time my name is Lou alzando for[05:01] nearly the last decade I ran a sensitive[05:03] Aerospace threat identification program[05:06] focusing on unidentified aerial[05:09] Technologies it was in this position I[05:12] learned that the[05:14] phenomena is indeed real in addition to[05:18] revealing elzando and the Pentagon UFO[05:21] program dong also announced that he was[05:23] going to build an exotic craft with an[05:26] energy source that can revolutionize the[05:29] world build his own UFO another[05:32] presentation by former DOD official[05:34] Chris melon revealed a shocking new UFO[05:37] case and he displayed a large photo of[05:40] the UFO at one point the object sores to[05:44] 880,000[05:45] Ft hovers then drops at supersonic[05:49] speeds coming to a Full Stop how did it[05:52] accomplish these Feats the UFO in the[05:55] photo was later reported to just be a[05:58] blurry party balloon[05:59] [Music][06:01] the mainstream media reaction to this[06:03] event was couched as cheeky celebrity[06:05] news rather than science or National[06:08] Defense but that was all about to change[06:11] on the same day he resigned members of[06:14] ttsa had introduced alzando to UFO[06:17] author and longtime UFO researcher lesie[06:20] Kaine She interviewed him and published[06:23] two stories in The Huffington Post in[06:25] mid October which revealed in a media[06:28] exclusive the existence of the Pentagon[06:31] UFO program and Lando's role in it[06:35] however these two stories were still[06:37] mostly ignored by the mainstream media[06:41] lesie Kane then reached out to longtime[06:43] associate and journalist Ralph[06:45] Blumenthal Blumenthal pitched the atip[06:47] and elzando story to the New York[06:51] Times and on December 16th 2017 the New[06:56] York Times and Politico released front[06:59] page bombshell news stories that[07:01] revealed the pentagon's a tip UFO[07:03] program to the world included in the[07:06] stories were videos of UFOs filmed by[07:09] the US Navy within hours dozens of other[07:13] news agencies had the story within days[07:17] hundreds the first Domino had finally[07:20] Fallen there is very compelling evidence[07:22] that we uh we may not be alone whatever[07:26] that means Speed Ahead[07:31] ain't going to stop to all the way there[07:35] Full Speed[07:37] [Music][07:39] Ahead but some people had[07:42] doubts they noticed that something was[07:45] off that some things were not adding up[07:49] one of those people was researcher John[07:51] Greenwald one of the nation's leading[07:54] authorities on government secrets he[07:57] runs The Black Vault a website that[07:59] hosts millions of pages of government[08:01] documents obtained via the Freedom of[08:04] Information Act when he read the[08:06] December 2017 UFO stories he immediately[08:10] noticed some strange[08:12] discrepancies well right off the bat I[08:14] noticed that the reporting from Brian[08:16] Bender a Politico and uh Leslie Kane[08:19] Ralph Blumenthal and Helen Cooper at New[08:21] York Times had a slightly different[08:24] program name Politico says Advanced[08:27] Aviation threat ident ification program[08:30] New York Times reports Advanced[08:31] Aerospace threat identification program[08:34] uh why was there that difference the[08:37] amount of sources that both news media[08:39] Outlets had were very very small and[08:42] likely the same so how is it that the[08:45] reporting was different as the reporting[08:48] went on it got worse I mean there were[08:51] like seven or eight I I'm I lined them[08:53] all up with dates and who the the media[08:56] Outlet was and there were like seven[08:58] different variations of what atip even[09:00] stood for and to an an investigator a[09:03] researcher like myself and there's a lot[09:05] of other people out there if you're[09:07] looking into something you need to have[09:08] the name right because if you don't have[09:10] the name right how are you going to find[09:12] anything right because when you submit a[09:16] Freedom of Information Act request you[09:19] have to be specific with the government[09:22] what you're asking for so if you[09:24] requested for the advanced Aviation[09:27] threat identification program[09:29] they could come back and say hey that[09:32] doesn't exist absolutely because the[09:35] name was wrong yep and you could[09:37] suddenly be on a goose chase looking for[09:40] the truth for the real documents correct[09:44] absolutely the accuracy there was[09:46] incredibly important the Pentagon[09:49] officially acknowledging its Advanced[09:51] Aviation threat identification program[09:53] Pentagon has confirmed the existence of[09:55] the advanced Aerospace threat[09:56] identification program the advanced[09:58] Aviation Advanced Aerospace Aviation[10:01] Aerospace Aviation the advanced aerial[10:03] threat identification program so the[10:06] writing was on the wall that there was[10:07] something odd just behind the meaning of[10:10] the acronym another reported detail that[10:13] is inconsistent was the years all this[10:16] supposedly occurred the original New[10:19] York Times report said the program began[10:21] in 2007 but further down the same[10:24] article they report the funding and[10:27] actual contract creation of the program[10:30] wasn't until late[10:32] 2008 you start digging in on that and[10:34] realize that the bid solicitation was[10:37] never posted for companies to bid on[10:39] getting the contract wasn't posted until[10:43] 2008 yet we were led to believe that[10:46] atip started in 2007 created in 2007[10:50] 2007 2007 so how can you solicit bids a[10:55] year after the program allegedly started[10:57] when the reporting said $22 million went[11:00] to a contractor that uh started a year[11:04] before the bid went in wait none of that[11:06] makes sense adding to the confusion[11:09] politicos reporting released on the same[11:11] day as the times with reportedly the[11:14] same sources as the times says a tip[11:18] began in[11:19] 2009 what now in journalism dates and[11:24] names are so basic you want to get the[11:28] basic names right you want to get the[11:29] basic dates right you can't be a year or[11:33] two off and to this day the reported[11:36] dates of the UFO program remain all over[11:40] the place generally in reporting like[11:43] that if one thing is wrong you have to[11:45] ask the question what else is wrong[11:48] further questions and issues arose with[11:50] Lou Lando's role with a tip in hundreds[11:54] of media reports elzando is credited as[11:57] the Director of a tip media Outlets also[12:01] phrased it as he ran the program or he[12:04] was in charge of the program and[12:06] elisondo without doubt is the face of[12:09] this whole story[12:10] now but the Pentagon has released[12:13] statements stating Mr alzando had no[12:15] responsibilities with atip and this is a[12:18] statement the Pentagon has doubled down[12:21] on and they're not[12:23] budging and even now over 4 years later[12:27] this central part of the whole story[12:29] continues to be[12:32] disputed another confusing detail is at[12:35] the very top of the original Times[12:37] report is a video of a UFO filmed by the[12:41] US Navy the times reports that atip[12:44] investigated and released this now[12:47] famous video to the public yet the video[12:50] was shot in[12:52] 2015 a tip shut down in[12:56] 2012 also the Department of Defense[12:59] released a statement saying no that[13:01] video had not been cleared for public[13:04] release and some in the media wondered[13:07] how much of this was simply a so-called[13:09] sweetheart deal between Senator Reed and[13:12] his longtime friend in financial[13:14] supporter Robert Bigalow back in 2017[13:18] there were a handful of journalists who[13:20] pointed this out as a potential red flag[13:23] public record show Bigalow contributed[13:25] about $20,000 to Reed and his political[13:28] action Comm[13:29] that campaign contributor got research[13:31] contracts from this program that just is[13:34] a bad picture there are other[13:37] outstanding questions confusing[13:39] statements and blatant errors but[13:42] despite all this the story mostly As[13:45] originally reported over 4 years ago[13:48] mostly without any corrections or[13:50] updates or disclaimers continues to[13:53] spread like wildfire and has become[13:57] legendary[13:59] so what you're telling me is that UFOs[14:03] are[14:04] real bill I think we're beyond that[14:06] already I put my entire career on the[14:09] line because I believe in what I believe[14:10] in he ran the pentagon's top secret UFO[14:15] program I knew this was breaking news[14:17] for the front page of the New York Times[14:19] and then bam the New York Times story it[14:23] changed everything was a bombshell right[14:26] that's what it was this is too big to[14:28] turn away from this is real wake up TMC[14:33] investigates I don't know if I'm going[14:34] to have a job tomorrow just for having[14:36] this conversation with you UFOs the[14:38] Pentagon proof[14:40] Tuesday then in October of[14:44] 2021 the plot[14:47] twist remember that unknown and unnamed[14:50] individual who was the first director of[14:52] the atip UFO program well we eventually[14:56] learned his name James[14:59] latsky and after that we learned his[15:02] story he's finally come out of the[15:04] Shadows to set the record straight[15:08] latsky along with colem kellerer a[15:10] project manager for the Pentagon program[15:13] and journalist George knap released a[15:15] book titled skinwalkers at the Pentagon[15:18] an insiders account of the secret[15:20] government UFO program they say the[15:23] story we've been told for over 4 years[15:26] is[15:27] wrong K's book says since the December[15:31] 2017 article in the New York Times there[15:34] has been a multi-year frenzy of[15:36] speculation misinformation and confusion[15:40] about the nature of the program one of[15:43] the purposes of this book is to correct[15:45] the record co-author colum kellerer did[15:49] an interview saying the New York Times[15:51] article in December 2017 mistakenly use[15:56] that acronym a tip and they mistake[15:58] mistakenly assigned Lou alzando to be[16:01] head of this program and that you know[16:03] that was a mistake in reporting by the[16:05] New York Times They say many details in[16:09] the original story were in error and[16:12] guess what there's actually real[16:15] documented evidence to back that up and[16:18] surprisingly some of these documents[16:20] have been out in the public domain for[16:22] years now it's just that many people[16:24] including myself didn't fully understand[16:27] what they were or how they related if at[16:30] all to a pentagon UFO program called[16:33] atip probably because they don't mention[16:36] anything about atip and they don't[16:39] mention UFOs they mention something[16:43] else so I now present to you the mostly[16:47] Untold and underreported story of the[16:50] pentagon's assap[16:52] program in 2008 at the behest of Senator[16:56] Harry Reid the Pentagon through the[16:58] defense intelligence agency created a[17:01] program not called atip but rather the[17:05] advanced Aerospace weapon systems[17:07] application program or[17:09] assap we know this because here is the[17:13] actual official Pentagon document[17:15] outlining assap not[17:18] atip the director of ASAP was a defense[17:21] intelligence agency scientist named[17:23] James[17:24] latsky we know this because here is his[17:27] name listed on official Pentagon[17:30] documents as being in charge of the[17:34] program in many ways all saap started[17:37] with James latsky according to both[17:40] latsky and Senator Reed laty had[17:43] approached the senator to say he[17:45] believed the UFO phenomena was real and[17:48] he wanted a program to investigate not[17:51] just UFOs but also how UFOs might fit[17:55] into the realm of what we might consider[17:58] the the Paranormal Reed told latsky he[18:01] would support the creation of a program[18:04] but according to Reed they faced a[18:07] challenge how to convince Congress to[18:10] allocate taxpayer money to investigate[18:13] UFOs could they create a UFO program[18:17] without actually mentioning UFOs Reed[18:20] told New York Magazine I said to latsky[18:24] well if you were me what would you say[18:26] to people in power in the United stat[18:28] Senate who have huge control over the[18:30] spending of Defense money and here's[18:33] what latsky said what I will do is[18:35] prepare something for you that anyone[18:38] can look at that wants to and it's[18:40] strictly science he put it in scientific[18:43] language what the study should consist[18:45] of here are the actual assap contract[18:49] objectives there are no mentions of UFOs[18:52] at all to anyone reading it it might[18:55] seem like just a normal Aerospace[18:57] technology conf contract the actual[18:59] objective of the program was essentially[19:02] using currently evolving technology[19:04] Trends predict what kind of Aerospace[19:07] Technologies foreign adversaries will[19:09] have 40 years from now that's basically[19:12] it alsap appeared to be something normal[19:16] that the government would normally spend[19:17] money[19:19] on alsap was funded with 22 million the[19:23] Pentagon awarded the $22 million to[19:25] Bigalow Aerospace Advanced space studies[19:28] or bass bass was contracted to perform[19:31] all of asap's technical research and[19:34] Analysis we know this because here is an[19:37] actual Pentagon document acknowledging[19:39] bass as the contract[19:41] recipient bass was founded by[19:43] millionaire and longtime Harry Reid[19:45] Financial supporter Robert Bigalow[19:48] within the bass team was Hal put off who[19:51] we already briefly discussed as well as[19:53] other scientists with a history of[19:55] unorthodox ideas including Dr Coen[19:58] kellerer and Dr Eric Davis an[20:01] astrophysicist who's written papers[20:03] discussing psychic[20:05] teleportation time travel through[20:07] Stargate[20:08] wormholes and bending spoons with your[20:12] mind bass hired a team of 50 people and[20:16] then the work on ASAP began on the[20:20] surface ASAP appeared to be an aerospace[20:23] technology program to Harry Reid in his[20:26] words ASAP was actually a program to[20:29] study UFOs and related[20:32] phenomena with bass however that[20:35] so-called related phenomena would take[20:38] oap in a shocking and very unexpected[20:45] Direction a lot of asap's Investigations[20:48] took place at Skinwalker Ranch a[20:51] supposed paranormal hotspot in Utah[20:53] owned by Robert[20:56] Bigalow as outlined in great detail on[21:00] the record by laty and bass leadership[21:03] the so-called Pentagon UFO program was[21:06] not just a UFO program but rather an[21:10] investigation into a cornucopia of[21:12] spooky and scary[21:14] things including[21:17] [Music][21:18] werewolves[21:22] ghosts and half dinosaur half beaver[21:27] monsters[21:31] literally the project manager of the[21:34] program referred to Skinwalker Ranch as[21:36] a paranormal Disneyland so the idea was[21:40] to to have a living laboratory on[21:43] Skinwalker Ranch that we could uh assess[21:47] what was going on unusual creatures uh[21:50] discarnate voices Poltergeist activity[21:53] so it was a paranormal Disneyland that[21:55] really started the whole thing off[21:59] [Music][22:04] oap spent only one year investigating[22:07] UFOs ghosts and goblins before the[22:10] Pentagon started to pull the plug in[22:13] 2009 after reviewing asap's reports the[22:16] Pentagon states that it was determined[22:19] the reports were of limited value in the[22:23] December 2017 political article a[22:25] congressional staffer is quoted as[22:28] saying there was really nothing there[22:30] that we could justify using taxpayer[22:33] money and that even Harry Reid agreed it[22:36] was not worth[22:38] continuing the Pentagon decided not to[22:41] renew asap's funding and shut it down[22:44] completely by[22:45] 2012 stating that the program was[22:48] terminated in 2012 due to lack of real[22:51] progress and concerns about the[22:53] viability of the program and that it was[22:57] determined that there were other higher[22:59] priority issues that merited[23:02] funding James latky says he spent the[23:05] next few years trying to get new funding[23:07] to resurrect the dead program and to[23:10] keep the Paranormal investigations going[23:13] but he was[23:15] unsuccessful finally laty says he[23:18] retired in[23:20] 2016 and that is the mostly untold story[23:24] about how $22 million in taxpayer money[23:28] was spent on a wacky paranormal fun[23:32] housee and it appears that at the time[23:35] the Pentagon had no idea this silly[23:38] spooky stuff was even happening how is[23:41] that possible well latsky the Pentagon[23:44] director of the program says that for[23:47] security reasons he was hiding aap's[23:50] activities from officials at the[23:53] Pentagon people in my own office they[23:56] didn't know what we were doing they had[23:58] no idea that I was running Skinwalker[24:01] Ranch they had no idea[24:04] whatsoever and was Harry Reed aware of[24:07] the ghosts and goblins well I guess it[24:10] depends on which version of his story[24:12] you want to believe in 2018 in an[24:16] interview with New York Magazine Reed[24:18] denied ever being briefed or updated on[24:22] any of asap's[24:24] activities[24:25] ever ever[24:28] but then in 2021 Reed told George knap[24:31] that Not only was he aware of asap's[24:34] activities at Skinwalker Ranch but that[24:36] he was potentially planning to go to the[24:38] ranch himself I remember getting a call[24:42] from you while you're in the well of the[24:43] Senate and you ask about Skinwalker[24:46] Ranch whether your staffers should go[24:48] there and whether they'd be safe did you[24:50] consider sending some of your people to[24:51] the ranch and did you ever consider[24:53] going there yourself I considered it but[24:56] based on information I got from you and[24:59] others I decided not to go it would also[25:02] have drawn attention to the ranch and[25:03] the program right if you went there[25:05] you'd have to tell somebody about it[25:07] that's for sure and Senator Reed would[25:09] eventually fully endorse this whole[25:12] crazy story two months before his death[25:15] by writing the forward to lat's[25:19] book in it he calls out the New York[25:22] Times the December 2017 New York Times[25:25] story has done a tremendous amount of[25:27] good[25:28] but unfortunately it has also muddied[25:31] the waters it left the government's[25:33] alsap program completely out of the[25:36] narrative yeah why wasn't any of this[25:39] stuff reported in that bombshell 2017[25:42] New York Times article how did a story[25:45] about a program called assap which[25:48] investigated UFOs werewolves ghosts[25:52] goblins become a story about a program[25:55] called atip which only invested[25:57] instigated UFOs well lesie Kane is a[26:01] longtime UFO believer and UFO researcher[26:05] writing UFO stories going back[26:08] decades she wrote a best-selling book on[26:11] UFOs in 2010 and it was lesie Kain who[26:14] approached Ralph Blumenthal to pitch the[26:17] big UFO story to the New York Times she[26:20] was one of the authors of the New York[26:22] Times article in a recent Showtime[26:24] documentary lesie Kane was asked why[26:27] stories about alleged encounters with[26:29] alien creatures were not included in her[26:32] 2017 New York Times article and she[26:35] replied that her specific goal with that[26:38] article was to give UFOs credibility so[26:42] she avoided reporting on some things and[26:45] I chose not to focus on it because the[26:48] angle that I was taking in my reporting[26:49] was to try to get credibility for the[26:52] subject and I knew that that was not the[26:53] way to go that was not the first step in[26:56] terms of getting people to accept accept[26:57] this so an author of the original New[27:00] York Times article the article that was[27:02] the first Domino to fall in all of this[27:06] says she wrote the article with a[27:08] specific angle in mind get people to[27:11] accept UFOs as real that sounds like the[27:13] goal of an activist not a journalist but[27:17] I see where she's coming from because[27:19] could you imagine if that first New York[27:21] Times article had talked about[27:22] werewolves and Poltergeist and giant[27:25] Dino beavers it would have been laughed[27:28] at and ridiculed and used as a prime[27:31] example of the government wasting[27:33] taxpayer money but because all of that[27:35] wasn't mentioned and only unidentified[27:38] flying objects were that New York Times[27:41] article continues to validate UFOs with[27:44] not just your average citizen but also[27:47] with members of Congress since the New[27:50] York Times story came out December 2017[27:53] it's politically viable for elected[27:56] officials to come forward and say I[27:58] support this kind of research but if you[28:00] that's for researching things in the sky[28:03] that might be a threat to National[28:04] Security or the aviation safety it's[28:06] another matter for a politician to say I[28:09] agree with spending money to investigate[28:12] places like Skinwalker Ranch with spooky[28:14] stories of boogey men and and werewolves[28:17] no politician is going to fund[28:19] Poltergeist research or looking into[28:21] werewolves uh they'd be crucified so how[28:24] much of the actual story did the[28:26] original new yorktimes article report[28:29] how much of the actual story is[28:31] currently influencing Congress the scope[28:34] of the OA program was gigantic compared[28:37] to the small sliver information that was[28:40] reported from the via the New York Times[28:43] and so the purpose of the book was[28:45] really to set the record straight I[28:47] think the book really encapsulates about[28:51] 97% of oap whereas the 3% was what the[28:55] New York Times article had uh had[28:58] described[29:00] 3% according to those actually in charge[29:03] of the actual program the original New[29:05] York Times article about the program[29:08] only contains 3% of the actual story 97%[29:13] wasn't included so let's talk about the[29:15] 3% that was it was originally reported[29:19] that the name of the program was a tip[29:23] and it was led by a guy named Lou[29:26] alzando so first where the heck did the[29:29] name atip come from in his book program[29:32] director James latsky writes atip was a[29:35] madeup substitute name to describe oap a[29:40] madeup name so he's saying that a tip a[29:44] tip didn't even exist that a tip itself[29:47] was a nickname and only a nickname to[29:50] the assap program so they were the exact[29:54] same thing atip was just a nickname ASAP[29:56] being the program progam the program was[29:58] nicknamed Advanced Aerospace threat[30:02] identification program a tip people have[30:05] have trouble uh trying to get documents[30:07] out of the Pentagon by saying they want[30:09] all all documents on a tip and they have[30:11] a hard time because that wasn't actually[30:13] the name of the program the top name[30:16] there is the actual name of the program[30:17] but a tip was was the nickname that it[30:19] went by and even Harry Reed and the[30:22] Pentagon have previously agreed with[30:24] this Reed stated in an interview that[30:27] atip and assap should be considered[30:31] together when researcher Roger glasel[30:33] asked about the names atip and assap a[30:37] pentagon spokeswoman replied that they[30:39] were the same program and that assap was[30:42] just an alternative name for atip so how[30:45] did atip become a nickname for[30:48] assap well remember how latsky said he[30:51] was hiding assap from other officials at[30:54] the Pentagon how according to lat[30:57] they had no idea whatsoever about asap's[31:01] activities in their book the authors say[31:04] Senator Reed and those working at[31:06] Skinwalker Ranch were worried that[31:08] asap's activities would eventually come[31:10] to light as such Senator Reed submitted[31:14] a request that assap be given top secret[31:18] special access status which if approved[31:22] would have officially limited how many[31:24] people had access and control over the[31:27] program here is the special access[31:30] request letter submitted by Senator[31:32] Harry Reid to deputy secretary of[31:34] defense William Lynn in 2009 but instead[31:38] of saying AAP the actual program name[31:41] Reed used the nickname a tip but Reed's[31:46] plan to protect oap apparently backfired[31:50] his request was denied and his letter[31:54] was widely distributed within the[31:56] Pentagon[31:58] the cat was out of the bag suddenly the[32:01] rest of the Pentagon which had no idea[32:03] that this program was underway they had[32:05] no idea suddenly everyone knows about it[32:07] and they start asking questions gosh[32:09] what if this gets out that we're[32:11] involved in study of UFOs and ghosts and[32:14] creatures so two things appear to have[32:16] happened here one Reed's letter was the[32:20] first time many within the Pentagon had[32:22] even heard about this program and Reed's[32:25] letter used the nickname name atip so[32:29] according to those who were previously[32:30] in the dark about all this atip was the[32:34] name of the program two the Pentagon[32:37] didn't want this embarrassing story[32:39] spreading outside the Pentagon they[32:42] didn't want it in the press and they[32:44] didn't want speeches in Congress about[32:46] government waste so they moved to shut[32:48] it all down the New Yorker quotes a[32:51] pentagon official saying people worried[32:54] that if all this came out that the[32:56] government was spending money on this[32:59] this will be a bad story The Pentagon[33:02] pulled all saap's funding in 2010 and by[33:05] 2012 the funding had completely dried up[33:08] and assap was officially dead but[33:11] despite the program being shut down Lou[33:14] alzando Who had become interested in the[33:17] UFO aspects of ASAP claims he kept the[33:20] effort going at the Pentagon according[33:23] to James latsky elzando adopted an[33:27] appropriated the name atip to describe[33:30] this new small unfunded and unofficial[33:34] effort laty has only done a handful of[33:38] interviews since going public here's a[33:40] revelatory clip from one of them on the[33:42] Coast to Coast radio show where he[33:45] specifically addresses this the a tip[33:48] name was uh created for a letter that[33:52] Senator Reed sent in trying to establish[33:56] a DOD the sap for our program for[33:59] various[34:00] reasons uh and Lou used that name when[34:04] he and I guess it had to be in the time[34:08] frame of[34:10] 2012 and he used the name atip nothing[34:14] wrong with that I mean that that's fine[34:16] but there was a difference between the[34:18] two programs ours had $22 million in[34:22] funding his had zero but he did his[34:26] thing we did ours but I can say that we[34:30] were the only game in town so what did[34:33] Lou elzando actually do you know the guy[34:36] who everyone refers to as the Director[34:39] of atip the Pentagon UFO program Luis[34:43] alzando former director of the[34:45] pentagon's advanced Aerospace threat[34:47] identification program Luis alzando ran[34:50] the advanced Aviation threat[34:52] identification program the man who ran[34:54] that secret program Luis alzando uh[34:57] thank you for joining us was he even[34:59] involved in the official Pentagon[35:01] program at all in the 221 page book[35:05] about the Pentagon UFO program elzando[35:08] appears one time that's a bit strange[35:12] right one time at a 2009 dinner sitting[35:17] at a table with members of assap and[35:19] bass where the authors claim he was[35:22] telling War stories about his psychic[35:25] powers that that's it well alzando[35:29] himself has stated multiple times on the[35:32] record that he had nothing to do with[35:34] assap including this emphatic tweet[35:37] which says it's been brought to my[35:40] attention that despite my constant[35:42] assertion in the media about my non[35:44] involvement in assap some are under the[35:47] false impression that I was part of it[35:50] for the record again and again I was not[35:54] part of oap alzando and instead says he[35:57] was in charge of the pentagon's a tip[36:00] program which I think we've established[36:02] probably didn't even exist insiders say[36:05] it was not an official program it was a[36:08] completely separate small initiative a[36:12] small unofficial effort not a program as[36:15] the p and a tip suggests but more in his[36:19] spare time when his normal day job[36:22] allowed he looked for UFOs there are two[36:25] pieces of documentation that further[36:27] supports this one is an email from the[36:30] year 2020 released via the Freedom of[36:33] Information Act to John Greenwald in it[36:36] alzando is challenging the Pentagon[36:38] press office regarding their statements[36:40] denying his role with a tip elzando[36:44] concedes that his a tip could be defined[36:46] more as simply an activity versus an[36:49] actual program the second is an annual[36:53] Pentagon evaluation of alzando from the[36:55] year 2016[36:57] it outlines all his officially assigned[36:59] responsibilities at the Pentagon none of[37:02] which have to do with UFOs or anything[37:06] called atip so with all that in mind[37:09] let's look again at the pentagon's[37:10] official statement regarding[37:16] elando that appears to be a true[37:20] statement in April[37:22] 2022 Brian Bender the author of the[37:25] original 2017 Politico article tweeted[37:29] that he now feels like he was purposely[37:31] misled by numerous sources on what atip[37:34] really was and[37:36] wasn't in response to a Twitter user[37:39] stating seems clear that they wanted to[37:41] gloss over the Paranormal stuff which is[37:43] like where all the money really went[37:46] Bender replied 100% they buried the[37:50] origin story because they were afraid it[37:52] would be perceived as an utter waste of[37:54] taxpayer money it would have also[37:57] further soured the whole effort given[37:59] the Bigalow connection to Harry Reid it[38:01] was a pork project to investigate Voodoo[38:04] that morphed into[38:06] UFOs and regarding myself and all the[38:09] basement office episodes I've made about[38:11] atip and[38:13] alzando I was apparently wrong it wasn't[38:17] intentional but in an honest attempt to[38:20] report the truth about the Pentagon UFO[38:22] program I too feel like I was purposely[38:26] misled[38:29] as for alzando he along with other[38:32] former members of Tom delong's to the[38:33] Stars Academy have been lobbying[38:36] Congress to spend more money on[38:39] UFOs they say the original New York[38:41] Times article continues to influence[38:43] Congressional leaders since many of the[38:46] Paranormal aspects weren't included in[38:48] that story Chris melon the guy who once[38:51] stood in front of a gigantic photo of a[38:54] blurry party balloon admits[38:57] that telling Congress about oap would be[39:01] counterproductive their efforts appear[39:04] to have paid off Congressional leaders[39:07] like Senators Kirsten gilbran and Marco[39:10] Rubio helped create a new UFO program at[39:14] the[39:15] Pentagon the new program is called the[39:18] allain anomaly resolution office or[39:22] arrow and another Domino Falls[39:30] I'm going to leave you with one more[39:32] thing Lou elzando said he had nothing to[39:36] do with oap nothing to do with the[39:38] werewolves and ghosts and goblins[39:41] nothing to do with[39:43] assap however in May 2021 elzando filed[39:48] a complaint with the Department of[39:50] Defense inspector General's office[39:52] written in his own words signed with his[39:55] signature[39:56] Al's complaint accuses some at the[39:59] Pentagon of smearing his reputation by[40:01] releasing statements denying his[40:03] involvement as director of atip in his[40:06] complaint which I obtained a copy of he[40:09] outlines in detail each and every role[40:12] he claims to have had from 2008 to[40:17] 2017 in 2008 he says he joined James[40:20] latsky on[40:22] assap his role was in his words ASAP[40:26] chief of Counter Intelligence and[40:29] security from 2008 to 2010 alzando[40:33] describes his various duties with assap[40:35] including reviewing incoming reports[40:38] from bass in April 2010 he writes Dr[40:42] latsky approached me and asked if I[40:44] would consider assuming the role of[40:46] assap an atip director and in May 2010[40:50] he says his new role was director for[40:54] atip and a[40:56] [Music][41:06] sa I think we should stop and ask[41:10] ourselves how did we get[41:13] here what stories brought us[41:17] here who told those[41:19] [Music][41:21] stories are we closer to the[41:24] truth or are we further[41:28] away perhaps to find the answer instead[41:32] of waiting for the next Domino to[41:35] drop maybe there's only one thing left[41:37] to[41:51] do a true story will stand the test of[41:55] time[41:57] change one[41:59] thing and it can look completely[42:02] different like something else all[42:07] together if you went back and ref[42:10] followed the evidence would the story[42:13] sound the same would it look the[42:18] same would you see something different[42:22] something[42:23] new something that was always right[42:27] there right in front of[42:36] you you are[42:39] here at the[42:42] beginning over the next few episodes we[42:45] will go back to re-examine and reassess[42:49] the other fantastic claims of this UFO[42:53] Story the only question is where will[42:57] this new Journey take[43:05] us[43:07] so let's[43:08] [Music][43:25] begin[43:27] [Music][43:38] there is a[43:39] place buried inside American[43:42] folklore which is supposedly home to[43:46] every scary thing you could possibly[43:51] imagine[43:55] UFOs[43:58] poltergeists[44:02] werewolves when you follow the current[44:04] UFO[44:06] story and the cast of characters[44:10] within follow it all the way[44:15] back to the[44:18] beginning you will end[44:21] up at Skinwalker[44:25] Ranch[44:34] [Music][44:42] Nick welcome back to the basement office[44:45] thanks it's great to be back here so in[44:47] this episode we're going to talk about[44:49] skin walker Ranch but before we do I[44:51] want to acknowledge where I am as an[44:56] investigator a journalist someone who's[44:58] been looking at UFOs throughout this[44:59] show and I have to say Nick I am a[45:03] little bit more skeptical now I I've[45:06] I've had doubts and anyone who's[45:07] followed me on social media is fully[45:09] aware of this I've veered recently into[45:14] a more[45:15] skeptical uh realm I totally get that[45:19] and I'm not saying that I haven't been[45:21] there myself I think you start off as[45:24] you say cap motivated by this how could[45:28] you not be but eventually yeah you start[45:30] to ask some rather more pointed[45:33] questions and there's a kind of moment a[45:35] sort of wait a minute moment and and[45:38] you've obviously hit that I think in[45:41] this field with euphology it's easy to[45:45] look around you at what's happening the[45:47] new news that's breaking the New[45:49] Revelations that are coming out where is[45:51] this all heading that kind of thing[45:52] where are we going where where's this[45:54] all heading and I think recently I[45:57] turned around and looked back where have[45:59] we come from and why what set us on this[46:04] path the path we're currently on and I[46:08] think the path we're currently on all[46:10] started for the most part at Skinwalker[46:14] Ranch what is Skinwalker Ranch[46:17] Skinwalker Ranch is a 500 acre property[46:21] in Utah which has been described as a[46:25] paranormal[46:26] Disneyland a place where apparently all[46:30] sorts of strange things happen UFO[46:33] sightings Poltergeist activity[46:35] werewolflike creatures the list goes on[46:39] this is sort of a ground zero for the[46:42] paranormal paranormal Disneyland sounds[46:47] awesome I mean I would totally pay VIP[46:50] prices to go to that version of[46:54] Disneyland[46:57] Skinwalker Ranch is an actual Ranch um[47:01] and has been for decades many decades[47:04] and you know I lived in Utah for six[47:07] years and I remember I wasn't there more[47:11] than a few months before I first heard[47:14] the tales the urban legends I knew[47:16] nothing about Skinwalker Ranch hadn't[47:18] heard about Skinwalker Ranch when I[47:19] moved to Utah and I was in a pub and a[47:22] group of friends were like hey have you[47:24] ever heard of the skinwalkers and I was[47:25] was like what are you talking about no[47:28] and they said uh in in this particular[47:31] version of the urban legend they said[47:32] well the skinwalkers down in southern[47:34] Utah you'll be driving at night and[47:37] suddenly these wh skinned bright white-[47:39] skinned like halfman half wolf creatures[47:42] will run up next to your on two legs run[47:45] up next to your vehicle no matter how[47:47] fast you're going they will keep pace[47:49] and run next to your uh vehicle and I[47:53] was like what are people talking about[47:54] this skin walker thing[47:56] so what is a skin walker itself what is[47:59] a skin walker well a skin walker is is[48:02] part of Native American mythology and[48:06] belief and it comes from mainly the[48:10] Navajo culture but the Ute tribe which[48:15] is is indigenous to the particular area[48:18] have those same beliefs and the[48:21] skinwalker is essentially a malevolent[48:24] witch[48:27] an individual who has various[48:31] Supernatural powers and those powers[48:35] include the ability to transform to[48:39] shapeshift and then this is common in[48:42] various beliefs I mean around the world[48:46] but these Skin Walkers can apparently[48:49] cast spells do various magic and are[48:53] generally thought to be malevolent[48:57] and we should note that in the area of[48:59] Skinwalker Ranch there are two Native[49:01] American[49:03] reservations and the[49:05] folklore uh coming in and out of those[49:07] reservations permeates through the the[49:11] the local cities and towns and also[49:13] throughout the state so those stories of[49:16] the malevolent shape-shifting witch um[49:19] have been around for a long time the[49:21] whole problem um that you get with oral[49:25] history given that preon Native[49:27] Americans didn't have a written language[49:30] is it's very difficult so you get almost[49:32] like a game of telephone and you you try[49:34] and kind of go back and what did these[49:36] people really believe in the past could[49:38] some of it simply be the shaman figure[49:41] in the tribe wearing as as some of them[49:45] apparently do like wolf[49:47] pelts so that's the history about this[49:50] area of Skinwalker Ranch and the ranch[49:54] itself was owned by the Meyers family[49:59] for decades various members of the Myers[50:02] family um lived on the ranch for many[50:05] many years at least 60 years and then[50:08] they sell the ranch to the Sherman[50:11] family Gwen and Terry[50:14] Sherman[50:16] now the Meyers family for decades and[50:19] generations own this location own this[50:22] Ranch and never once see a UFO report a[50:27] UFO see anything weird see anything[50:30] paranormal nothing they sell it to Terry[50:34] and Gwen[50:36] Sherman and[50:40] [Music][50:44] Bam Terry's talking about UFOs strange[50:48] things on the[50:50] property and a local newspaper the[50:53] Deseret News writes an article[50:56] about the ranch and this guy's alleged[51:01] [Music][51:02] sightings and a millionaire in another[51:05] state in Nevada reads this story and[51:09] says I need that ranch I need to go[51:12] there and I need to figure out what's[51:14] going on I want to see these UFOs and[51:17] that millionaire was Robert[51:20] Bigalow who is Robert Bigalow Robert[51:23] Bigalow is somebody who has been at the[51:26] center of UFO studies for many years he[51:32] made his money in real estate but two of[51:36] his other passions in life are the quest[51:41] to discover what happens after death and[51:45] UFOs and with UFOs maybe the Paranormal[51:49] more generally and he has a history with[51:52] with this he has set up over the years[51:56] multiple organizations into which he has[51:59] put initially his own money to study[52:02] UFOs in the Paranormal and you know[52:04] Robert Bigalow went on you know the Joe[52:07] Rogan show um and talked about his life[52:10] and how he's always been into UFOs you[52:12] know ever since he was a child it's been[52:15] this fascination of his and he's almost[52:18] like the Howard Hughes of UFOs you know[52:21] like he's this guy who made a lot of[52:24] money doing you know unrelated[52:28] businesses and then uses that money for[52:30] his real passion and yes so Robert[52:34] Bigalow goes to the ranch Terry Sher and[52:38] Gwen Sherman's Ranch and buys[52:46] it he creates the National Institute of[52:50] Discovery Sciences otherwise known as[52:53] nids and for the sole purpose purpose of[52:55] doing scientific studies of things like[52:59] what was happening at the ranch here[53:01] what is nids and how big a role did it[53:03] play in euphology at this time nids is I[53:06] think very important it was as you say[53:10] funded by Robert Bigelow's money so it[53:14] could do things that maybe civilian UFO[53:17] groups before hadn't been able to do I[53:20] mean here was a guy writing the checks[53:22] and and so if you want to bring in uh[53:25] scientific equipment to capture high[53:28] resolution images you could do that here[53:30] was somebody who was prepared to[53:32] underwrite this but the other critical[53:35] thing is that he was able to gather[53:37] around him a group of of individuals uh[53:41] who I think some of them were already[53:44] predisposed to believe in in things like[53:47] this but people with a a back story[53:49] people with connections people in the[53:52] government the military the intelligence[53:54] community so this was an attempt to take[53:57] studies of UFOs and the Paranormal to[54:00] the next level included on Bigalow nids[54:03] team were people like Halal put off who[54:06] had spent decades researching psychic[54:08] powers both for the government in[54:10] operations like the cia's project[54:12] Stargate and for the Church of[54:15] Scientology where he achieved the[54:17] church's highest spiritual level P off[54:20] had also worked with erri Geller who[54:22] claims he can bend spoons with his mind[54:25] put off was convinced Geller psychic[54:28] powers were real also on the nids team[54:31] was John Alexander a former Army[54:33] intelligence officer who sought out how[54:36] to harness the power of the Paranormal[54:38] for military applications Alexander is[54:41] featured in the critically acclaimed[54:42] non-fiction book The Men Who Stare at[54:45] Goats a true story about how the[54:47] military performed a series of tests in[54:49] which they attempted to kill goats[54:52] simply by staring at them[54:55] [Music][54:59] and jacqu valet a world-renowned UFO[55:03] researcher who believes UFOs are not[55:05] extraterrestrial but[55:07] multi-dimensional originating from[55:09] unseen dimensions of SpaceTime valet was[55:12] Steven Spielberg's main inspiration for[55:15] the French scientist in his film Close[55:17] Encounters of the Third[55:22] Kind one year after Bigalow purchases[55:25] the ranch the Deseret News the same[55:28] local paper does a follow-up story where[55:31] they talk to people who were working at[55:33] the ranch and at the ranch for[55:37] Bigalow and they and the headline is no[55:41] UFOs so far one year in and they were[55:46] like yeah we haven't seen anything yet[55:47] like the people who were there they'[55:49] hadd been there a year and were speaking[55:51] to the Press about how they hadn't seen[55:53] anything had an experience[55:55] anything no UFOs like nothing and this[55:58] was a year already into it nothing had[56:01] happened yet they hadn't seen anything[56:04] and so if you're following along 60[56:07] years of no[56:08] UFOs the new owners are there like a[56:12] month and they're suddenly oh they see[56:14] UFOs bolo buys the ranch of them because[56:17] he's into UFOs and then one year no UFOs[56:22] in his published Diaries jacqu notes a[56:25] complete lack of UFOs on the ranch on[56:28] January 12th 1997 three nid staffers[56:32] told valet expectations of frequent[56:35] sightings of UFOs at the Utah Ranch have[56:38] not materialized so what are we supposed[56:41] to work on on May 3rd 1997 Valle wrote[56:45] it must be noted that no UFO is being[56:48] seen at the ranch in contrast with[56:51] earlier claims and on January 11th 19[56:54] 1998 he States the Utah Ranch is quiet[56:58] with no new incidents there hasn't been[57:01] a single new case of a physical UFO[57:04] there and in 1999 Robert Bigalow is[57:08] quoted in the Press saying he still has[57:11] not personally seen any[57:13] UFOs joking that anytime he comes to the[57:16] ranch the UFOs stay away and then[57:20] everything no more talking to the Press[57:22] years go by apparently they're still at[57:24] the Branch investigating and then in[57:26] 2005 this book comes out where it's like[57:29] 280 Pages worth of just the craziest[57:32] stuff ever written by nid scientist col[57:35] kellerer and paranormal journalist[57:37] George knap hunt for the skin walker[57:40] claims to be the chilling true story of[57:43] unexplained phenomena on Utah's[57:46] Skinwalker[57:47] Ranch the book itself is a tell all book[57:52] of what they found what they experienced[57:54] at at the ranch and it is[57:58] werewolves it is Poltergeist[58:02] activity[58:03] UFOs cattle mutilations it reads like a[58:07] science fiction horror[58:09] film and there is no[58:15] appendix no photos no[58:18] documents just[58:20] stories lots of stories stories about[58:25] Bigfoot type monsters literal flying[58:28] saucers Landing in the backyard flying[58:31] saucers and Bigfoot at the same time[58:36] Poltergeist hauntings ghostly voices of[58:39] the Dead Harry humanoids people shooting[58:43] guns at UFOs and the bullets ricocheting[58:46] off the metal body of the spaceship[58:48] quote aliens end quote interdimensional[58:51] portals opening up and creatures[58:54] crawling out out of them aplike[58:56] creatures reptilian creatures beast[58:58] creature and a bulletproof wolf creature[59:02] that couldn't be killed no matter how[59:04] many times they shot[59:08] [Applause][59:12] it but no evidence of any kind to back[59:16] up any of these stories has ever been[59:19] presented George knap who's built an[59:22] entire career around stories of UFOs and[59:25] the Paranormal and who was one of the[59:27] authors of the hunt for the skinwalker[59:29] book was asked about evidence on The Joe[59:32] Rogan show because they weren't there[59:34] with any evidence like for the first 20[59:36] months when the Rancher is there they[59:38] don't have any evidence because he's not[59:39] a Paranormal Investigator um at this[59:42] point nap begins telling more stories[59:44] about UFOs on and near the ranch Rogan[59:47] then interrupts and asks again again is[59:51] there any evidence no not not really oh[59:55] if you're looking for physical evidence[59:56] and solid proof and they don't have it[01:00:01] oh nap saying there's no proof or[01:00:04] evidence is quite strange considering[01:00:07] the book nap co-authored says this we[01:00:11] obtained an intriguing body of physical[01:00:14] evidence to support many of the accounts[01:00:16] described in the book okay so where is[01:00:21] that intriguing body of physical[01:00:23] evidence like if if you were in[01:00:25] possession of the best proof that we're[01:00:29] not alone there's another dimension[01:00:32] ghosts exists there's life after death[01:00:35] wouldn't you not take that to bigger and[01:00:39] better and louer organizations Beyond[01:00:42] just a a book for sale I would I would[01:00:45] yeah absolutely I suppose the is you[01:00:49] might be does the[01:00:53] Paranormal[01:00:55] allow it s to to fall within the[01:00:58] framework of of the scientific method in[01:01:00] terms for example of[01:01:02] repeatability or or is it not I don't[01:01:06] want to say nebulous but but more[01:01:10] random abstract something that would[01:01:14] make it very difficult to write it up in[01:01:17] a way that could get into science or[01:01:19] nature and and a lot of people would say[01:01:21] the answer to that question is yes there[01:01:23] there is a sort of Randomness about it[01:01:26] but also and this is something that goes[01:01:29] back to ideas of Native American[01:01:31] folklore and other things the trickster[01:01:35] aspect of the phenomenon more generally[01:01:37] I mean almost every culture has the[01:01:40] concept of a trickster God and some[01:01:43] people say that the Paranormal itself[01:01:47] displays a lot of that it's like it's[01:01:49] toying with you it dangles evidence in[01:01:53] front of you and just as you think[01:01:54] you're going to get it it snatches it[01:01:57] away so we're dealing with[01:02:01] Loki on my way down to coordinate search[01:02:03] and rescue on my way down to coordinate[01:02:05] search and rescue I mean honestly how do[01:02:08] you keep your food shut up but in[01:02:11] reality while all that may sound fun and[01:02:14] weird again no evidence at all has been[01:02:18] provided of any such trickster or skin[01:02:21] walker or even Loki since this part of[01:02:24] the skinwalker story occurred now many[01:02:27] decades ago a lot of the early key[01:02:29] Witnesses have since passed away but we[01:02:32] are lucky that a record of their[01:02:34] testimonies was documented by an[01:02:36] objective Source completely outside the[01:02:38] Bigalow Circle and uninvolved with[01:02:41] Skinwalker Ranch Frank Salsbury a[01:02:44] botanist with a PhD in plant physiology[01:02:47] and gemistry wrote and published several[01:02:50] books on plants and flowers but stuck in[01:02:53] the middle of his resume is a 1974 book[01:02:57] he wrote titled the Utah UFO display a[01:03:00] biologist report in 2010 he released a[01:03:04] second edition of the book this time[01:03:07] including the skinwalker story and new[01:03:09] candid interviews with Myers and Sherman[01:03:12] family members regarding whether the[01:03:14] Myers family ever experienced UFOs or[01:03:17] anything paranormal on the ranch during[01:03:19] the 60 years they owned it gmers told[01:03:22] Salsbury there were never any sign of[01:03:24] that there was nothing unequivocally[01:03:28] absolutely nothing there were no[01:03:32] UFOs Salsbury also interviewed Terry[01:03:35] Sherman who again purchased the ranch[01:03:37] from the Meyers claimed to have seen[01:03:40] UFOs and then sold the ranch to Robert[01:03:42] Bigalow for[01:03:43] $200,000 Sherman was then hired by[01:03:46] Bigalow to help with the Skinwalker[01:03:48] Ranch investigation and Sherman's[01:03:50] experiences are a major portion of the[01:03:53] hunt for the Skinwalker book Salsbury[01:03:56] assumed logically that since Sherman's[01:03:58] detailed accounts of Paranormal Activity[01:04:01] are all over the book that he had been[01:04:03] extensively interviewed for the book but[01:04:06] as it turns out Sherman didn't even know[01:04:09] a book was being written about his[01:04:11] family's experiences until the book was[01:04:13] published and he had never met George[01:04:15] knap although they had talked on the[01:04:17] phone but not about the book Sherman[01:04:20] basically supports G Meyer's version of[01:04:22] the history of the ranch so where did[01:04:24] the exaggerated version The Ranch as the[01:04:27] center of UFO activity come from well[01:04:31] that's a great question for the book's[01:04:32] authors colem kellerer and George knap[01:04:35] both of whom would not return multiple[01:04:37] requests from me for comment the 2005[01:04:40] release of hunt for the skinwalker[01:04:42] catapulted the ranch's popularity on a[01:04:45] national scale despite the ranch being[01:04:47] closed to the public and guards[01:04:49] prohibiting unauthorized entry UFO[01:04:51] Believers would drive many hours just to[01:04:54] sit outside the ranch's closed Gates[01:04:56] hoping to see something many truly[01:05:00] believed Robert Bigalow and his team of[01:05:02] investigators at the National Institute[01:05:05] of Discovery Sciences had discovered[01:05:07] something that would change the course[01:05:09] of human history forever now what[01:05:14] happens with nids what's the ultimate[01:05:17] fate of the National Institute Discovery[01:05:20] Sciences the same organization that made[01:05:23] all these amazing[01:05:24] discoveries what's their ultimate fate[01:05:27] the plug gets[01:05:32] pulled okay[01:05:34] so they shut it down they shut it down[01:05:37] now you could say there are two schools[01:05:40] of thought about why you would shut it[01:05:43] down okay one is that you didn't find[01:05:47] anything but two is you found what you[01:05:50] were looking for okay and then and then[01:05:54] you don't need to search[01:05:56] anymore okay but then you do what you do[01:06:00] what with that oh we found it we found[01:06:03] it now we have to write a book and sell[01:06:06] it for 20 bucks on Amazon like what what[01:06:09] do you do with that the answer is[01:06:11] apparently[01:06:15] nothing in 2004 in an announcement on[01:06:18] the nids website Bigalow stated his[01:06:21] reason for shutting down active[01:06:23] investigation at Skinwalker Ranch was[01:06:25] simply nothing was happening at[01:06:28] Skinwalker Ranch we have not had the[01:06:30] need to do any major investigative work[01:06:33] for well over 2 and 1/2 years it is[01:06:36] unfortunate that there isn't more[01:06:37] activity as there was in the past that[01:06:40] warrants investigation however he added[01:06:43] should substantial activity occur with a[01:06:46] need for investigation the nids will be[01:06:49] reactivated with new[01:06:53] personnel[01:06:56] [Music][01:06:59] Skinwalker Ranch was dead the stories of[01:07:03] aliens werewolves and ghosts had stopped[01:07:08] the scientists at the ranch packed their[01:07:10] bags and left leaving behind a giant[01:07:14] mystery but this story was far from[01:07:21] over in 2007 a s scientist working at[01:07:24] the Pentagon picked up hunt for the[01:07:27] skinwalker and he read it cover to cover[01:07:31] he was captivated and he believed the[01:07:34] stories could actually be true and[01:07:37] that's when this story really gets[01:07:52] weird[01:08:04] what happens is a scientist at the[01:08:08] defense intelligence agency named James[01:08:12] latsky reads this book James latsky at[01:08:16] the DIA reads this book is shocked and[01:08:21] he writes Robert Bigalow a letter[01:08:25] I in my capacity as a Dia official want[01:08:29] to visit your[01:08:31] Ranch he goes to the ranch with Robert[01:08:36] Bigalow and sees something himself has[01:08:40] an experience mhm he sees in in the[01:08:44] kitchen what I guess you could only[01:08:47] describe as as some sort of form some[01:08:50] some[01:08:51] shape you know some weird[01:08:54] translucent kind of phenomena right in[01:08:57] front of him in the room and even Robert[01:09:00] Bigalow the seasoned believer or or you[01:09:03] know somebody who I think we'd all say I[01:09:05] want to believe and does believe he[01:09:08] doesn't see it but latsky the the[01:09:11] government the intelligence Community[01:09:13] scientist he says that he saw this thing[01:09:16] and the nearest estimate of what this[01:09:19] thing looked like is the if you look at[01:09:22] the cover of the old m Oldfield album[01:09:25] Tubular Bells a structure like that now[01:09:29] latsky goes back to DC Bigalow a[01:09:34] longtime friend of Senator Harry Reid a[01:09:38] longtime friend and financial supporter[01:09:40] of Senator Harry Reid contacts Harry[01:09:43] Reid and says hey this Dia guy is[01:09:47] interested in the ranch Reed then meets[01:09:49] with James latsky because of that[01:09:52] meeting it is decided that you know Reed[01:09:54] decides something needs to be done about[01:09:56] this we should investigate this[01:09:58] officially we should officially[01:10:02] investigate the phenomena at skin walker[01:10:05] Ranch working with Senator Reed James[01:10:08] latky would then write the scope and[01:10:11] objectives of an official Pentagon[01:10:13] program called the advanced Aerospace[01:10:16] weapon systems application program or[01:10:19] assap according to Reed latsky[01:10:22] intentionally left out in mentions of[01:10:24] UFOs Skinwalker Ranch or anything[01:10:28] paranormal because of this alsap[01:10:31] appeared to just be a normal Aerospace[01:10:33] Technology Program Senator Reed acquired[01:10:37] $22 million to fund the program the[01:10:40] assap contract was then put out in the[01:10:43] public domain for[01:10:44] solicitation according to the law any[01:10:47] company could bid on it and the company[01:10:50] with the best proposal would win the[01:10:52] contract[01:10:54] you would think military contractors[01:10:56] energy contractors technology[01:10:58] contractors would eat this up it's[01:11:00] millions of dollars uh they want us to[01:11:03] study technology or military stuff oh[01:11:06] we're perfect for that we'll bid on that[01:11:08] another company oh that's perfect for us[01:11:10] we'll bid on that Energy company says[01:11:12] that's perfect for us we're going to bid[01:11:13] on that how many companies bid on this[01:11:16] one company bid on that who owned that[01:11:19] company Robert[01:11:22] Bigalow[01:11:24] the assap contract in the $22 million[01:11:27] was indeed awarded to the sole bidder[01:11:31] Robert Bigalow and his new company[01:11:33] Bigalow Aerospace Advanced space studies[01:11:36] or Bass supported by government money[01:11:39] and a government contract bass would[01:11:41] spend the next 2 years not just hunting[01:11:44] UFOs around the world but also chasing[01:11:47] monsters and ghosts at Skinwalker Ranch[01:11:50] for years James latsky the the Pentagon[01:11:54] director of the assap program remained a[01:11:57] mystery he did no interviews with the[01:12:00] Press he released no[01:12:03] statements then in October[01:12:06] 2021 he finally stepped out of the[01:12:08] Shadows to tell his story latky teamed[01:12:12] up with the authors of the first[01:12:14] Skinwalker book colem kellerer The Bass[01:12:17] project manager and George knap a[01:12:20] journalist and close Bigalow associate[01:12:24] together they wrote and released a new[01:12:26] book titled skinwalkers at the Pentagon[01:12:29] they claimed the book tells the true[01:12:31] story of the pentagon's assap program[01:12:34] and reveals what $22 million of taxpayer[01:12:38] money was spent[01:12:40] on in the new book the same spooky[01:12:43] things from the first book Return[01:12:46] werewolves ghosts Bigfoot and of course[01:12:52] flying saucers[01:12:54] but this time in the sequel a new[01:12:57] Sinister Force[01:12:59] arises one of the most striking[01:13:02] jaw-dropping allegations they make about[01:13:05] what happened at Skinwalker Ranch this[01:13:07] phenomena is this malevolent evil[01:13:11] Poltergeist that affects the health you[01:13:14] know affects People's Health their[01:13:15] immune system and attacks you a[01:13:18] poltergeist presence that follows people[01:13:20] from the[01:13:21] ranch to the homes in whatever state The[01:13:25] Hitchhiker The Hitchhikers they're[01:13:27] called they call them the The Hitchhiker[01:13:29] these hitchhiking Poltergeist that[01:13:31] follow you wherever you go and harm you[01:13:34] you know there's a story of a guy goes[01:13:37] home from Skinwalker and it's attacking[01:13:39] his son it's affecting his wife and they[01:13:43] refer to it as an like an infectious[01:13:46] agent they refer to this Poltergeist is[01:13:48] is like a pathogen uh almost and you[01:13:52] know they right here infectious agent[01:13:55] model and then they bring up[01:13:59] covid-19 just this is from the book just[01:14:02] as the Wuhan Institute of rology or the[01:14:05] wet markets in China may have been the[01:14:06] source of covid-19 could skin walker[01:14:09] Ranch be the source of an infectious[01:14:13] agent and they're comparing it to[01:14:16] co Nick if you were to experience an[01:14:22] outbreak of something something's[01:14:24] happening there appears to be an[01:14:26] outbreak of some sort who are you[01:14:30] contacting I'm calling the[01:14:32] CDC I called the[01:14:34] CDC I called the CDC they don't know[01:14:37] what the hell I'm talking about when it[01:14:39] comes to Skinwalker no one's ever picked[01:14:41] up the phone and called the[01:14:44] CDC you call the CDC you don't write a[01:14:48] book for 1995 you don't write a book to[01:14:51] say there's an infectious agent and[01:14:53] affecting the health of people they're[01:14:55] talking about infections transmissible[01:14:58] outbreak you don't call the CDC you[01:15:01] don't pick up the phone it's a perfectly[01:15:04] legitimate point and I I agree with you[01:15:06] on it I think the the covid-19 analogy[01:15:09] was unfortunate to say the least and[01:15:13] yeah I go back to my point if if there[01:15:17] is data um you know relating to to some[01:15:21] sort of pathogen um[01:15:23] then write it up for a peer-reviewed[01:15:25] medical journal yeah or or as you say go[01:15:27] go to the CDC call 911 if if if if it's[01:15:32] harming human beings and literally in[01:15:35] here someone S I went home and it hurt[01:15:37] my son if it is real make it real sound[01:15:42] the[01:15:42] alarms the the logic makes no sense if[01:15:46] outbreak equals call CDC is a very basic[01:15:51] line of logic and that[01:15:53] apparently doesn't happen here no it[01:15:56] doesn't and and that is a big problem in[01:15:59] terms of evidence as I say I think it's[01:16:02] unfortunate I think it's meant more as[01:16:06] analogy some people go to the ranch and[01:16:09] see nothing some people have an[01:16:11] experience some people apparently take[01:16:14] something back with them but but then[01:16:17] you get into a whole another debate[01:16:21] about um individual perception are some[01:16:24] people if there is a phenomenon whatever[01:16:27] the true nature of this phenomenon are[01:16:30] some people able to perceive It While[01:16:33] others can't one thing's for sure one[01:16:36] group of people who are not able to[01:16:38] perceive the phenomena are the readers[01:16:40] of this book which again contains no[01:16:44] Visual Evidence to support any of these[01:16:46] supposed paranormal encounters which is[01:16:48] a shame because the skinwalker[01:16:50] investigators say they had a variety of[01:16:53] cameras with them when they stumbled[01:16:55] upon the book's now most infamous[01:16:57] crypted monster the dino[01:17:00] beaver and they literally write in the[01:17:03] book we set out with all of our[01:17:06] scientific gear but especially our[01:17:09] cameras we took our cameras with us and[01:17:12] our so he literally writes our sole[01:17:14] purpose was to capture[01:17:17] [Music][01:17:19] Visual and then like a page later[01:17:22] they're like and then the crypted[01:17:23] monster showed[01:17:26] [Music][01:17:27] up this and then the crypted monster[01:17:30] showed up and then they write about this[01:17:32] thing and they're like oh my God and[01:17:34] then like the next page they're like oh[01:17:36] God damn it we forgot to take a[01:17:42] picture obviously they were in shock the[01:17:46] skinwalker investigators described the[01:17:48] creature as being the size of a large[01:17:50] Pig with dinosaur-like spin on its back[01:17:54] and a very large flattened beaver tail[01:17:57] they say the monster was ambling towards[01:18:00] them ambling means to walk at a slow[01:18:03] pace it's not like it zipped by them too[01:18:06] fast they say they had cameras yet no[01:18:10] one takes a photo these are the worst[01:18:12] scientists in the world I'm not saying[01:18:14] this is way yeah I'm not saying this is[01:18:16] what happened but I will just pull out[01:18:19] from the UFO literature some reports[01:18:23] which which I have come across myself of[01:18:26] UFO Witnesses who literally have a[01:18:29] camera around their neck see a huge UFO[01:18:33] up close and personal[01:18:35] and either because they are in shock or[01:18:40] because and this is deep conspiracy but[01:18:43] there is some sort of spooky[01:18:45] extraterrestrial mind control device[01:18:48] that prevents us taking good photos of[01:18:51] them no that's that's not true that's[01:18:53] not what's happening at all and the[01:18:55] difference is Nick is that they these[01:18:57] are a group of scientists who literally[01:19:00] said we went out expecting to see we[01:19:04] went out prepared to see we went out[01:19:06] with the goal to see and capture an[01:19:09] image of this thing and then they see it[01:19:12] and then they're like God damn it we[01:19:13] forgot to get a picture if if there is[01:19:17] some sort of either extraterrestrial or[01:19:21] phenomenological thing that means that[01:19:24] Witnesses are affected in some way it's[01:19:28] going to work on scientists[01:19:33] too a week after the dinosaur Beaver[01:19:36] sighting one of the same investigators[01:19:38] encountered a gigantic bird that looked[01:19:41] like an oversized owl which literally[01:19:44] attacked her car the author State the[01:19:46] attack left scrapes and gouges in the[01:19:48] paint of her car no Visual Evidence of[01:19:51] the scratch car is is[01:19:56] provided a month later the same[01:19:58] investigator claims a poltergeist threw[01:20:01] two wine bottles across a room smashing[01:20:03] them against a wall no Visual Evidence[01:20:06] of the broken bottles is[01:20:10] provided and later the same investigator[01:20:13] claims to have seen spooky orbs of light[01:20:15] in her home and black shadow like[01:20:18] figures in her room again no evidence[01:20:22] but how does one prove that I mean if[01:20:25] you're a Paranormal Investigator and[01:20:27] spooky events keep happening in your[01:20:29] home wouldn't you do what the people in[01:20:31] Paranormal Activity did which is set up[01:20:34] cameras literally[01:20:37] [Music][01:20:40] everywhere but of course this never[01:20:42] happens and the reader is provided with[01:20:44] nothing but words on a[01:20:48] page and while the words and stories[01:20:50] seem like a thrilling adventure the[01:20:52] story stories not included in the book[01:20:54] shed some light on what was going on[01:20:56] behind the scenes researcher Mark sakati[01:21:00] released this article featuring on[01:21:03] reccord statements from former employees[01:21:05] who worked for Bigalow at Skinwalker I[01:21:09] also spoke to some of these sources who[01:21:11] worked as security officers and[01:21:13] investigators at the ranch their[01:21:16] testimony is that Bigalow did not like[01:21:18] asking them what happened today or what[01:21:20] happened this week and hearing nothing[01:21:22] or not much he would get frustrated and[01:21:24] angry and these are people who are[01:21:26] collecting a paycheck you know that H[01:21:28] this is their job and the boss has[01:21:31] established he's happy when weird stuff[01:21:34] happens and only when weird stuff[01:21:36] happens and so an exact quote from an ex[01:21:38] employee is just tell him what he wants[01:21:40] to hear when he asks what happened just[01:21:43] tell him what he wants to hear I I've[01:21:45] certainly heard the skeptical argument[01:21:48] that yeah if there is a billionaire[01:21:50] funding research who you know believes[01:21:53] in UFOs and the Paranormal you don't[01:21:57] want to be the one who turns around and[01:21:58] says to him you know what there's[01:21:59] nothing here yeah yeah you don't want to[01:22:02] be the guy to tell the billionaire that[01:22:04] there's not he's wasting his money[01:22:06] because then he pulls the plug right and[01:22:08] you're out of a job Bigelow's[01:22:11] headquarters was in Las Vegas 400 miles[01:22:14] from Skinwalker and he would only rarely[01:22:17] visit the ranch[01:22:18] himself full-time workers at the ranch[01:22:21] say they were supposed to fast daily[01:22:23] reports to him but according to those[01:22:25] who worked at the ranch 24/7 a lot of[01:22:28] those reports were embellished or simply[01:22:31] not true they claim one individual while[01:22:34] drunk would make up spooky stories and[01:22:37] fax them to Bigalow stories such as[01:22:41] witnessing a man turn into a[01:22:44] [Music][01:22:49] wolf we had a few people who tried to[01:22:51] make stuff up up in order to please Mr[01:22:54] Bigalow I remember hearing rumors when I[01:22:57] was first hired that a bonus would be[01:22:59] given out if anyone provided actual[01:23:02] evidence to an event this of course[01:23:04] created a problem yes some people[01:23:07] embellish[01:23:09] [Music][01:23:10] stories they never attempted to debunk[01:23:13] anything ever they would see a godamn[01:23:16] raccoon and assume it's[01:23:19] [Music][01:23:21] paranormal[01:23:23] everything and I mean everything had a[01:23:25] logical rational reasonable explanation[01:23:28] that Mr Bigalow just didn't want to hear[01:23:32] [Music][01:23:35] about this very questionable scientific[01:23:38] investigation was not limited to those[01:23:40] who worked at Skinwalker Ranch in 2010[01:23:44] the University of Nevada Las Vegas[01:23:47] printed an announcement in their[01:23:48] newsletter declaring a former[01:23:51] collaboration between the the[01:23:52] University's nuclear materials group and[01:23:55] bass via col kellerer bass would send[01:23:58] various materials to the university and[01:24:01] Dr Thomas Hartman would analyze them in[01:24:04] 2020 Dr Hartman went on the record to[01:24:07] researcher Mark sakati about what kinds[01:24:10] of materials he was getting from Dr[01:24:12] kellerer and what it was that Dr[01:24:14] kellerer was hoping to find Dr Hartman[01:24:17] says kellaher was looking for[01:24:21] aliens the basic idea of col ker was to[01:24:24] identify traces of alien life so he[01:24:27] provided us with some spheres which[01:24:29] turned out to be ion exchange beads or a[01:24:33] rock sample with traces of hydraulic[01:24:35] fluid which didn't turn out alien as[01:24:38] well further we analyzed some brown[01:24:40] liquid in a plastic bottle but it was[01:24:43] just muddy water I hope this provides[01:24:46] some ideas about the level of research[01:24:48] Mr kellerer was addressing us with I[01:24:51] agree that that this is not much[01:24:54] scientific so this is a another insight[01:24:58] into the level in my opinion Amateur[01:25:02] hour level of[01:25:04] scientific rigidity at skin walker Ranch[01:25:08] a collection of random[01:25:10] stuff sending it pro bono to a science[01:25:15] Professor who then in turn delegates it[01:25:17] to his students he they were analyzing[01:25:20] these materials and they were Rock[01:25:23] creekwater[01:25:24] mud pieces of burnt wood but in[01:25:29] according to col kellaher and those at[01:25:31] Skinwalker they thought it could be[01:25:33] alien stuff stuff from Aliens in Colm[01:25:37] kah's defense I would say if he[01:25:40] genuinely believes this is alien um[01:25:44] isn't sending it for scientific analysis[01:25:48] exactly the right thing to do to college[01:25:50] students now well you send it to a a[01:25:53] professor a professor will often[01:25:55] delegate to students I mean they're[01:25:57] still following the same method I don't[01:26:00] think you can fault Colm ker for saying[01:26:03] I think I found something interesting[01:26:05] I'll get some scientists to test it[01:26:08] muddy water rocks and burnt wood that[01:26:11] you think someone says I think this[01:26:16] might be alien I'm looking for evidence[01:26:19] of of[01:26:20] extraterrestrial Origins here can you[01:26:23] test this Creek Water and I think it's[01:26:26] couched in that Mystique of Skinwalker[01:26:28] if you are a believer in that already[01:26:31] that this is a hot spot for Paranormal[01:26:33] Activity you already have the notion[01:26:35] that if you find something[01:26:37] curious at the ranch that it's going to[01:26:39] have something paranormal to do with it[01:26:41] there is no doubt that col kellerer[01:26:44] already believes in the Poltergeist[01:26:46] stuff in the wolf stuff and all of this[01:26:48] stuff why because he wrote books and he[01:26:50] says so like he believes it[01:26:52] and that do you agree that preconceived[01:26:55] beliefs could Cloud your scientific[01:26:58] Ambitions absolutely and it's clear in[01:27:02] many ways that this was a Believer[01:27:06] program set up by a Believer faction I I[01:27:12] don't think that's disputed or if it is[01:27:14] it shouldn't be if you look you will[01:27:17] find particularly if you look with a[01:27:19] Believer mindset Dr Hartman at the[01:27:22] University of Nevada was not the only[01:27:25] one not impressed by bass in 2009 the[01:27:28] Pentagon determined the AAP reports[01:27:31] submitted by bass were of limited value[01:27:34] the Pentagon pulled the program's[01:27:36] funding and by 2012 the program was[01:27:39] officially dead at this point Robert[01:27:42] Bigalow decided he was done with[01:27:44] Skinwalker Ranch on literally April[01:27:47] Fool's Day in[01:27:49] 2016 Bigalow sold the rant[01:27:52] to another real estate millionaire[01:27:55] searching for the Paranormal Brandon[01:27:59] Fugal and while Bigalow was very[01:28:02] secretive about the ranch and never[01:28:04] allowed the public to see behind its[01:28:06] Gates Fugal has brought in the History[01:28:09] Channel to produce a reality TV show[01:28:12] called The Secret of Skinwalker Ranch[01:28:15] this is the most unique science project[01:28:17] of its kind some of the most disturbing[01:28:20] unexplained events have occurred on the[01:28:22] this[01:28:23] property that sounds exciting and maybe[01:28:26] even a little bit scary right right[01:28:28] fugle claims he was once a skeptic of[01:28:31] Skinwalker and didn't necessarily[01:28:33] believe the spooky stories from the[01:28:35] Bigalow days but he says all this[01:28:38] changed when he himself had a paranormal[01:28:41] experience at the[01:28:42] ranch he now believes something is there[01:28:46] something real something bizarre and[01:28:50] extraordinary the reality of the[01:28:52] anomalies that are occurring on the[01:28:54] property really all combin to tell us[01:28:57] that what we are dealing with at[01:28:58] Skinwalker Ranch is absolute reality he[01:29:02] is so confident that something[01:29:04] otherworldly is occurring at the ranch[01:29:06] that he has opened the gates to a very[01:29:09] vocal skeptic and said come to the ranch[01:29:13] and see for[01:29:15] yourself I'm setting up camp in front of[01:29:18] Homestead 2 which according to the[01:29:20] scientists and people who work here is[01:29:23] one of the most haunted places on the[01:29:25] ranch I just heard a[01:29:28] thump oh I can see it what is that I'm[01:29:32] spending the entire night by myself at[01:29:36] Skinwalker[01:29:38] [Music][01:29:50] Ranch[01:29:56] [Music][01:29:58] so here's Homestead 2 I'm going to walk[01:30:02] around uh there are lots and lots[01:30:05] of stories of about this particular[01:30:18] place so this is the doorway where they[01:30:21] said the temperature dropped and all[01:30:22] that all that stuff[01:30:25] happened so let's go ahead and go[01:30:33] in where's that sound coming[01:30:47] from what was[01:30:50] that[01:30:53] I heard a thump over[01:30:57] here so this is[01:31:00] creepy did you hear[01:31:03] that right here so over there I heard a[01:31:11] thumb and I just heard it[01:31:18] again I swear to God I keep hearing it[01:31:26] [Music][01:31:44] what Skinwalker Ranch is a 500 acre[01:31:47] property in eastern Utah it's also[01:31:50] supposedly one one of the most haunted[01:31:53] places on Earth for 20 years the ranch[01:31:56] was owned by Robert Bigalow a real[01:31:59] estate millionaire obsessed with the[01:32:02] Paranormal Bigalow claimed the ranch was[01:32:05] a hot spot for UFOs[01:32:08] poltergeists and all kinds of[01:32:10] monsters but no evidence to support any[01:32:13] of this has ever been presented in[01:32:17] 2016 Bigalow sold the ranch to another[01:32:20] real estate millionaire[01:32:22] with a passion for the Paranormal[01:32:24] Brandon Fugal and fugle claims to[01:32:28] finally have the goods proof evidence he[01:32:33] produces a reality TV show on the[01:32:35] History Channel called The Secret of[01:32:37] Skinwalker Ranch it claims to show Real[01:32:41] Paranormal phenomena proving that the[01:32:44] spooky Legends of the ranch are actually[01:32:48] true I reached out to Brandon fugle and[01:32:51] and asked if I could come to the ranch[01:32:54] and see this evidence for[01:32:56] myself I was surprised when he[01:32:59] enthusiastically accepted he said I[01:33:02] could come to the ranch that he would[01:33:04] show me everything and that he would[01:33:06] answer all my questions so I got on a[01:33:10] plane and my journey[01:33:17] began I fly to Salt Lake City Utah[01:33:22] a city I used to live[01:33:25] in Brandon fugle tells me that before I[01:33:28] can go to Skinwalker Ranch he needs to[01:33:31] show me some things first he says[01:33:33] there's a whole backstory that I need to[01:33:36] hear before I can fully understand the[01:33:39] ranch so I drive 45 minutes down the[01:33:43] I-15 to the city of Provo another city I[01:33:47] used to live[01:33:48] [Music][01:33:50] in[01:33:53] [Music][01:33:58] hey how's it good come here good to see[01:34:01] you welcome back too yeah so much has[01:34:04] changed hasn't it it really has yeah[01:34:06] it's like the bat mile yeah this is my[01:34:08] daily driver this is got a Ferrari that[01:34:11] I swap out you know it makes sense that[01:34:14] someone who owns Skinwalker Ranch would[01:34:16] drive this that's crazy I I'm just a[01:34:20] 17-year-old stuck in a 49y old body so[01:34:23] this was kind of the car I had on my[01:34:29] wall Brandon says being the owner of[01:34:32] Skinwalker Ranch only takes up 5% of his[01:34:36] day and he wants to show me his real[01:34:41] [Applause][01:34:46] job the landscape of The Valleys[01:34:49] surrounding Salt Lake City is changing[01:34:52] brand new buildings are popping up[01:34:55] everywhere and a lot of these buildings[01:34:58] all have something in common Brandon[01:35:01] Fugal his name is posted on signs up and[01:35:05] down the Salt Lake Valley I notice your[01:35:08] name all over the signs I mean there's[01:35:10] your name right over there yeah Brandon[01:35:13] takes me up to an Overlook every new[01:35:16] building in the valley below us is part[01:35:19] of his real estate Empire[01:35:22] so you did this one this one this one[01:35:25] that one this is why I work 18 to 20[01:35:28] hours a[01:35:29] day over the next 3 hours we drive from[01:35:33] building to building building to[01:35:37] building all new[01:35:40] construction Brandon's name in the front[01:35:44] fugle is the chairman of colier[01:35:46] International the number one commercial[01:35:48] real estate company in the state of Utah[01:35:52] cers as a global as one of the top three[01:35:55] Global players manages 2 billion square[01:35:59] feet of commercial space globally hey[01:36:02] Pete how's it going congratulations on[01:36:04] our closing bro yeah I have never worked[01:36:08] with the more talented harder working[01:36:10] more charismatic we just a genius in the[01:36:13] world is that is that true he's[01:36:16] preaching false Doctrine it's hard not[01:36:18] to be impressed he is with without a[01:36:21] doubt an extremely successful real[01:36:24] estate[01:36:25] magnet Brandon avoids discussing his[01:36:28] vast wealth but online Financial[01:36:31] websites estimate his net worth is[01:36:34] around $450[01:36:36] million and while that's about $450[01:36:38] million more than my net worth I learn[01:36:42] that I actually do have a few things in[01:36:45] common with[01:36:46] him we both were born and raised in the[01:36:50] Mormon religion[01:36:52] we were both Mormon[01:36:54] missionaries and we both attended Utah[01:36:57] Valley[01:36:58] University except his name is now on a[01:37:01] building and mine's not this is the[01:37:05] newly completed Brandon Fugal Gateway uh[01:37:08] administration building I recently[01:37:10] donated $5 million in support of really[01:37:13] the expansion of this incredible[01:37:15] institution where I went to[01:37:17] school we stop in Brandon's hometown of[01:37:20] pleasant Grove where his uncle guy fugle[01:37:24] is currently the[01:37:25] mayor and there's a Mormon church on[01:37:28] nearly every[01:37:30] [Music][01:37:31] corner Brandon comes here every day to[01:37:35] refill on gas and caffeine how's it[01:37:39] going good yourself doing good just[01:37:42] grabbing a Diet Mountain Dew as usual[01:37:45] I'm a bit of a germaphobe so I try not[01:37:47] to[01:37:48] touch the knobs but it's a mixture of[01:37:52] Diet Mountain Dew with just a splash of[01:37:55] Goji Citrus[01:37:57] strawberry I start every day with the 52[01:38:00] o of Diet Mountain[01:38:02] Dew I drink about 2 to 300 o a day of[01:38:07] this stuff and[01:38:09] friends is my hometown gas station I've[01:38:13] been going here since I was a little boy[01:38:16] hey nir hi how's it going good you let's[01:38:19] put these let's put this on my tab okay[01:38:23] sounds good and you can attest am I here[01:38:25] every day or not every single[01:38:29] day so like everyone knows your name in[01:38:31] there yeah this is it's it's the center[01:38:34] of gravity for Pleasant grov town here[01:38:37] where I've lived my whole life and grown[01:38:38] up why is a place like this important to[01:38:41] you you know roots are important to me[01:38:44] Heritage is important to me and my[01:38:46] family you know they were converts to[01:38:48] the LDS church and came from primarily[01:38:51] Scandinavia settled here in the[01:38:54] 1860s and uh and this is[01:38:58] home in 1820 a young boy in Upstate New[01:39:02] York named Joseph Smith claimed God and[01:39:06] Jesus Christ physically appeared before[01:39:09] him and told him that none of the[01:39:11] world's religions were true and that[01:39:14] they were choosing him as their Prophet[01:39:17] to establish God's True Religion over[01:39:21] the next few years Smith claimed angels[01:39:24] visited him via interdimensional portals[01:39:28] and provided him with a new religious[01:39:30] text The Book of[01:39:32] Mormon Smith called his new religion the[01:39:35] Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day[01:39:37] Saints and he eventually attracted over[01:39:40] 2,000 followers but in[01:39:43] 1844 Joseph Smith was murdered by an[01:39:46] angry anti-mormon[01:39:50] mob[01:39:52] anti-mormon sentiment grew more Mormons[01:39:55] were attacked and even killed so Smith's[01:39:59] successor Brigham Young led the Mormon[01:40:02] pioneers out[01:40:04] west they traveled over 1,000 miles[01:40:08] through harsh conditions to find Refuge[01:40:10] from violence and[01:40:13] persecution their wagons and handcarts[01:40:16] finally arrived at the Salt Lake Valley[01:40:18] in[01:40:19] Utah and there in the desert they built[01:40:22] a temple to their God and a city for[01:40:25] their[01:40:26] people they proclaimed these are the[01:40:29] latter days the final days of conflict[01:40:33] between God and the devil Angels and[01:40:42] Demons Brandon fugal's ancestors were[01:40:45] part of this group of early Utah Mormons[01:40:49] this is the old historic Fugal[01:40:51] blacksmith shop this was constructed in[01:40:54] the 1890s by my great-grandfather uh[01:40:57] next door you have one of the older[01:41:00] structures standing in town my great[01:41:03] great[01:41:05] grandfather uh lived in a little[01:41:07] underground Dugout those first harsh[01:41:10] Winters here and then they built this[01:41:12] structure right on top of it in the[01:41:15] 1860s so Brandon I have to admit like I[01:41:17] had no[01:41:19] idea your Roots were everywhere here[01:41:24] like it's it's you're far reaching you[01:41:25] know I we passed the the cemetery just[01:41:28] now and one of the the gra fug fug saw[01:41:31] fugle my great great grandfather my[01:41:34] great[01:41:34] grandfather my even my father who[01:41:37] recently passed up the hill from where[01:41:40] his Mormon ancestors lived Brandon shows[01:41:43] me where he plans to build his fourth[01:41:46] home so right here you're going to build[01:41:48] your future home yeah in the next few[01:41:51] months he shows me architectural mockups[01:41:54] of what the house will look like oh[01:41:56] that's the right oh that's what it's[01:41:57] going to look like this is going to be[01:41:59] the front we're going to be looking it's[01:42:00] a castle Yeah that's[01:42:02] awesome it's right out of a fairy tale[01:42:06] right out of a Fairytail it's it's[01:42:08] pretty extraordinary Brandon tells me he[01:42:10] has a master plan for the patch of woods[01:42:13] below I'm G to have the most terrifying[01:42:16] Haunted Forest in the state every[01:42:19] Halloween in fact I'm gonna I will have[01:42:21] fog machines and strobe lights I plan on[01:42:24] making it so terrifying that it'll make[01:42:27] children cry but they'll get full-size[01:42:29] candy bars out of it oh and I'm going to[01:42:32] totally have the Scooby-Doo factor with[01:42:34] secret passageways hidden[01:42:37] staircases um that I've already planned[01:42:39] to build into it because you can't build[01:42:41] a castle without having the Scooby-Doo[01:42:43] Factory without having you know trap[01:42:45] doors and secret rooms right[01:42:49] right we end up in Salt Lake City at[01:42:53] Brandon's high-rise[01:42:55] condo it's kind of it's a nice[01:42:57] convenience to have this as a splash pad[01:43:01] to operate from how many splash pads do[01:43:03] you have Brandon a couple you have a[01:43:05] couple[01:43:07] Yeah couple splash[01:43:10] [Music][01:43:17] pads so I like I just wing it you know[01:43:21] but I I love I grew up writing music and[01:43:24] that was my passion I was the only[01:43:27] elementary school kid who knew the close[01:43:29] encounters[01:43:30] the the close encounters theme and all[01:43:32] that stuff do that[01:43:35] [Music][01:43:38] again I'm a songwriter I had I had bands[01:43:41] rock bands all through high school and[01:43:43] then I have a dark secret techno project[01:43:46] called supplicant a music video yeah[01:43:48] that's funky yes[01:43:51] you've got you know the alien head this[01:43:53] is actually a the a faithful license[01:43:56] Recreation uh from HR Geer guer yeah[01:43:59] that's from Stargate so this is one of[01:44:01] the Rings used on screen in the classic[01:44:04] with James sper Kurt Russell so it's a[01:44:07] movie prop uhhuh it's a screen used[01:44:09] movie prop so it's it's safe to say that[01:44:13] like you're a Sci-Fi fan yeah love[01:44:16] science[01:44:19] fiction[01:44:27] Brandon Fugal is a collector his[01:44:30] multiple offices are packed with movie[01:44:33] and television[01:44:34] memorabilia can you guess what this[01:44:37] wardrobe yes I do that is from[01:44:40] unbreakable yep and most of these are[01:44:42] not replicas but screenshot[01:44:46] Originals this is The Terminator jacket[01:44:49] screen War[01:44:51] by Arnold Schwarzenegger with the fake[01:44:53] blood and the bullet holes these are the[01:44:55] glasses worn by Tom Cruz and the[01:44:58] original Mission Impossible he has[01:45:00] Walter White's gas mask from Breaking[01:45:03] Bad the monkey head from Indiana[01:45:06] Jones part of baby Superman's spaceship[01:45:10] Fox molder FBI badge from the X Files[01:45:14] the puzzle box from Hellraiser he has so[01:45:17] many items that I could produce an[01:45:20] entire documentary on his collection[01:45:23] alone in these drawers let's see oh[01:45:25] let's see um whoa you can't just show me[01:45:28] an alien feetus and then close the door[01:45:30] yeah you have a couple of interesting[01:45:32] things in[01:45:33] here he has two drawers full of[01:45:36] authentic movie screenplays this is the[01:45:39] final script for Close Encounters of the[01:45:41] Third Kind hter gist Steven spiber[01:45:44] written by steeven Spielberg first draft[01:45:47] 1981 you get the drift he also owns an[01:45:51] incredible number of rare antique[01:45:54] books a King James Bible from the year[01:45:58] 1611 an original printing of the works[01:46:00] of Shakespeare from the year[01:46:03] 1685 and here is a first printing of the[01:46:06] Christmas carol 1843 the complete system[01:46:09] of magic 1729 this is the history of[01:46:12] Stonehenge that belonged to King Charles[01:46:14] II flying saucers have arrived yeah the[01:46:19] book of the dam you got ghost stories of[01:46:22] an antiquary yep he also has an entire[01:46:26] shelf of historical books and documents[01:46:29] from the Mormon[01:46:31] Church most of them are over 200 years[01:46:36] old I have the Masonic guide belonging[01:46:39] to the first Mormon Bishop he not only[01:46:41] signed it but he signed it in his[01:46:43] Masonic Cipher behold I am Jesus Christ[01:46:46] the son of God I came unto my own and my[01:46:50] own receiveth me not I am the light[01:46:52] which shinest in darkness and darkness[01:46:54] comprehend death[01:46:56] not I have what I believ to be the Holy[01:46:59] Grail of Mormon[01:47:02] history so Oliver[01:47:04] [Music][01:47:07] cry who is the principal scribe mhm of[01:47:11] the Book of Mormon and this is this is[01:47:13] his copy is his copy this is his[01:47:16] personal from the 1800s yeah 1837[01:47:18] Kirtland he was the principal witness[01:47:21] claimed to his death that he'd been[01:47:23] visited by Peter James and John John the[01:47:24] Baptist he's the only witness to the[01:47:27] events at the pulpit of the ctet temple[01:47:29] dedicatory service where he claimed that[01:47:31] Moses Elijah and Elias appeared I think[01:47:33] one of the most valuable pieces of[01:47:35] church history I can't think of anything[01:47:37] I would trade this for and it has 25[01:47:39] pages that bear his handwriting and his[01:47:44] notations there is one more item in[01:47:47] Brandon's collection and it eventually[01:47:50] leads us directly to Skinwalker Ranch[01:47:54] you notice these strange objects these[01:47:56] are not movie[01:47:58] props these are what we call forced[01:48:00] process gyroscopic[01:48:02] mechanisms these were[01:48:04] constructed in conjunction with a[01:48:08] private confidential technology Endeavor[01:48:12] testing gravitational physics theories[01:48:15] anti-gravity correct so you had these[01:48:19] constructed to test in an experiment[01:48:21] with anti-gravity correct and what many[01:48:24] believe to be the technology that would[01:48:27] potentially drive or Propel flying[01:48:31] saucers did you achieve anti-gravity[01:48:33] we'll get to that okay Brandon sits me[01:48:36] down and tells me that his path to[01:48:38] buying Skinwalker Ranch started with a[01:48:41] phone call in[01:48:43] 1995 from one of his former Mormon[01:48:46] missionary friends and he said Brandon[01:48:49] you're you're in the business of selling[01:48:51] Office Buildings correct you're in the[01:48:53] commercial real estate business you work[01:48:54] with companies and I said yeah of course[01:48:56] fugal's friend told him he knew a[01:48:58] successful business executive who was[01:49:00] looking for office space and asked if[01:49:03] Brandon could help and I of course[01:49:06] jumped out of my chair I remember I was[01:49:08] so excited and I said absolutely I can[01:49:10] help him so he passed on the number to[01:49:13] me he says well his name is Joe fermage[01:49:15] Joe fermage was a senior vice president[01:49:18] at novel a software company in the[01:49:21] 9s he's also a direct descendant of[01:49:25] Mormon profit Brigham Young in[01:49:28] 1995 during the bubble he left novel to[01:49:32] become the founder of us web an[01:49:35] interactive website design and[01:49:37] consultancy Company fermage needed[01:49:40] office space for his new company Brandon[01:49:43] Fugal a young real estate broker[01:49:46] provided that office space us web[01:49:49] quickly became very successful and Joe[01:49:52] fermage was the toast of Silicon[01:49:55] Valley in 1998 fermage appeared on the[01:49:59] cover of Forbes Magazine deemed one of[01:50:02] the Masters of the new internet Universe[01:50:05] also on the cover was Jeff Bezos the[01:50:07] founder of Amazon Joe fermage and his[01:50:11] company us web were Rising Stars[01:50:14] destined for[01:50:15] greatness and[01:50:18] then at the the height of their success[01:50:21] when they're in the midst of merging[01:50:23] with a big Global PR firm agency he does[01:50:27] a story Joe fermage came out and said[01:50:30] that number one in my spare time with my[01:50:33] resources I have learned that the UFO[01:50:35] phenomena is[01:50:37] real then he proceeds to say in this[01:50:40] expose that uh he'd been visited by what[01:50:43] he believed to be an alien being and[01:50:46] that uh that he was going to bring the[01:50:47] truth forward and that the physics that[01:50:50] the physics to enable breakthrough[01:50:53] propulsion travel to the stars and also[01:50:55] free energy was within our grabs ferm's[01:51:00] statements on aliens and UFOs caused a[01:51:03] lot of embarrassment and controversy for[01:51:05] us web he was removed as CEO and[01:51:09] eventually left the company completely[01:51:11] to hunt UFOs and experiment with the[01:51:15] technology he believed an alien had[01:51:17] given him over 10 years later in 2009[01:51:22] Brandon fugle was standing in his[01:51:24] private airport hanger he was wondering[01:51:27] why there had been no breakthrough[01:51:29] Aerospace Technologies since the[01:51:31] invention of the jet engine in[01:51:34] 1937 in the most fundamental ways that[01:51:37] we Propel and even power our world we're[01:51:39] still dealing with technology that is[01:51:43] very old and Antiquated it bothered me[01:51:46] and I became obsessed and then he[01:51:48] remembered Joe Ferman[01:51:50] I remember Joe fermage in the fact that[01:51:52] he' done this interview and had claimed[01:51:55] that he was going to be investing in[01:51:58] physics programs and I thought well you[01:52:01] know maybe he has some insights fugle[01:52:04] says he contacted firmage and had a[01:52:06] meeting with him and I'm whisked into a[01:52:10] garage where there are the equivalent of[01:52:12] giant Tinker Toys it looks like spinning[01:52:15] objects mechanical very rudimentary[01:52:18] crude mechanical devices that are that[01:52:21] are being operated and I see an older[01:52:24] bearded Joe fermage Fugal says fermage[01:52:28] claimed to be on the cusp of inventing[01:52:30] Humanity changing anti-gravity[01:52:33] technology that would allow humans to[01:52:35] travel to the Stars he said I believe[01:52:38] that you've been LED here for a reason[01:52:39] right here in my garage before you you[01:52:41] are looking at the early proof of[01:52:44] concept embodiment of the the[01:52:46] experiments showing the physics[01:52:48] underpinning these new advancements[01:52:51] fugle says he was skeptical but fermage[01:52:54] introduced fugle to various people who[01:52:56] would back up his claims he puts me on[01:52:59] the phone with uh General Wesley Clark[01:53:05] former chairman of the Joint[01:53:07] Chiefs he introduces me to General Clark[01:53:09] says general Clark I'd like you to meet[01:53:11] Brandon fugle you know he needs to know[01:53:13] that there's that there's reality to[01:53:15] this you know would you mind telling him[01:53:18] your views and general Park said yes I I[01:53:21] don't have any problem I great to meet[01:53:23] you you know Mr Fugal I I support Mr[01:53:27] fermage I've been following his work[01:53:28] closely and there's truth to it a[01:53:30] representative for General Clark told me[01:53:32] that while the general does not[01:53:34] specifically remember this phone[01:53:36] conversation with fugle he did indeed[01:53:38] know Joe fermage and was in fact[01:53:41] interested in ferid's claims of exotic[01:53:44] technology so I'm I'm Blown Away here I[01:53:47] have former chairman of the Joint Chiefs[01:53:49] head of NATO command who confirming that[01:53:54] Joe has been involved with credible[01:53:56] activities confirming that there's some[01:53:59] reality next fermit put Fugal on the[01:54:02] phone with Hal put off and kit green two[01:54:06] scientists who had previously worked[01:54:08] with the CIA and had a long history of[01:54:11] researching otherworldly topics like[01:54:13] UFOs and psychic[01:54:16] powers they also vouched for Joe fermage[01:54:21] this all happens back to back on the[01:54:22] same day Wesley Clark how put off K[01:54:24] green so you had a series of phone calls[01:54:26] series of phone calls put off and green[01:54:29] had long been involved with millionaire[01:54:31] Robert Bigelow's hunt for the Paranormal[01:54:33] and at the time of this phone call with[01:54:35] Fugal in 2009 they were both involved in[01:54:38] a now Infamous $22 million Pentagon[01:54:41] program headed by Bigalow the program[01:54:45] among other things allegedly[01:54:47] investigated strange phenomena at[01:54:49] Skinwalker Ranch which at the time was[01:54:52] owned by Robert[01:54:54] Bigalow fugal's back-to-back phone[01:54:57] conversations with General Clark Hal put[01:54:59] off and kit Green in which they all[01:55:02] vouched for Joe fermage and his[01:55:04] Endeavors was enough to convince fugle[01:55:08] it[01:55:09] completely changed my view of reality[01:55:13] it blew my[01:55:15] mind Fugal converted his family's[01:55:18] private Airport hanger into a laboratory[01:55:21] a dedicated space where fermage could[01:55:24] experiment and build his world changing[01:55:27] technology they created a company called[01:55:29] motion sciences and fugle claims he[01:55:32] spent millions of dollars on FM's[01:55:35] [Music][01:55:39] work these 2010 videos on Joe ferid's[01:55:43] YouTube page show various tests of his[01:55:48] invention Fugal appears in a few of[01:55:52] them what we're working with is Advanced[01:55:55] propulsion technology that uh truly has[01:55:58] not been released as of yet and this[01:56:01] patented technology and physics[01:56:03] breakthrough is going to change the[01:56:05] world as we know[01:56:07] it this video appears to show a[01:56:09] celebratory demonstration a fages device[01:56:13] a happyl looking Fugal stands next to[01:56:16] how put[01:56:17] off but the smiles and celebrations soon[01:56:20] went away Fugal says it soon became[01:56:24] apparent that there was no truth to[01:56:26] ferm's claims within months it became[01:56:29] apparent that Mr fermit had some serious[01:56:32] issues the unfortunate truth was that[01:56:34] there[01:56:35] wasn't any validity to it Fugal and[01:56:38] fermage had a falling out motion[01:56:42] Sciences eventually ceased operations[01:56:45] and closed down in a statement to me[01:56:48] fermage says that that while his[01:56:50] invention was showing great progress its[01:56:53] potential was not realized he claims to[01:56:57] have since continued to work on his[01:56:59] device which he now calls the[01:57:02] accelerometer and will reveal it to the[01:57:04] world in[01:57:06] 20123 F's devices from 10 years prior[01:57:10] now sit on the bottom shelf of fugle[01:57:13] sci-fi and fantasy movie collection it[01:57:16] was disappointing and heartbreaking and[01:57:19] trust me to lose that money to lose[01:57:22] years to have the disappointment of[01:57:25] family I at that point in time I had[01:57:28] lost a lot of faith and trust in people[01:57:32] fugle says this was a dark time for him[01:57:35] that he struggled to trust anyone and[01:57:39] even his faith in the Mormon church was[01:57:42] shaken but this all changed with a phone[01:57:45] call in[01:57:48] 2015 late 2015 I receive a call from Dr[01:57:52] Hal POF and Dr Christopher C green kit[01:57:55] green the same two guys uhhuh just a few[01:57:59] years after the Joe fermage motion[01:58:01] Sciences debacle fugle says how put off[01:58:04] and kit green had a brand new[01:58:06] proposition for him and in the middle of[01:58:09] that call both Dr put off and Dr Green[01:58:11] said are you familiar with a certain[01:58:13] piece of property in Utah known as[01:58:15] Skinwalker Ranch what do you know about[01:58:17] Skinwalker Ranch fugle says put off and[01:58:19] green told him that the ranch was for[01:58:22] sale we'd like to suggest that you take[01:58:25] a meeting with Mr Bigalow if you're[01:58:26] interested would you be open to it and I[01:58:29] said absolutely fugle flew to Las Vegas[01:58:33] to meet with Robert Bigalow and discuss[01:58:35] purchasing Skinwalker Ranch fugle says[01:58:38] Biga would only sell the ranch as is and[01:58:42] that Bigalow would not be sharing with[01:58:44] Fugal any of the research he had done at[01:58:46] the ranch over the last 20 years[01:58:51] I agreed I said okay fine I'll buy it as[01:58:55] is on April Fool's Day 2016 Brandon[01:58:59] fugle became the official owner of[01:59:01] Skinwalker[01:59:07] Ranch the next morning I met Brandon at[01:59:10] his private airport hanger in Provo[01:59:13] Utah in the hanger were some of his[01:59:15] luxury cars his private jet and his $6[01:59:19] million helicopter which he uses to fly[01:59:22] to Skinwalker Ranch his brother Cameron[01:59:25] is the helicopter's pilot so you're a[01:59:28] believer I'm a believer that there's[01:59:30] something happening out there that we[01:59:31] don't understand and we may never[01:59:33] totally understand[01:59:36] it it was finally time to[01:59:40] go we took off towards Skinwalker[01:59:44] Ranch we flew over Brigham Young[01:59:47] University a school both Brandon and I[01:59:50] once tried to get into but failed we[01:59:54] Flew Over the Missionary Training Center[01:59:56] where both Brandon and I had once[01:59:58] prepared for our Mormon[02:00:01] missions we flew into Rock Canyon where[02:00:04] I used to hike many years ago but I'd[02:00:07] never seen it from this angle[02:00:09] [Music][02:00:11] before Brandon told me before I could go[02:00:14] to Skinwalker Ranch there was a whole[02:00:17] backstory that he needed to tell me[02:00:19] before I could fully understand the[02:00:22] ranch and now that he had I think he was[02:00:26] right I thought of something that I[02:00:28] hadn't considered[02:00:30] before these stories about the ranch the[02:00:34] visitors from another place the evil[02:00:38] spirits voices of the[02:00:40] Dead all of these stories had a new[02:00:44] context maybe all this was part of a[02:00:46] bigger story a universal story Story a[02:00:50] tale as they say as old as time was[02:00:55] Skinwalker Ranch just another story was[02:00:59] it just another item in Brandon's[02:01:01] science fiction collection or was it[02:01:04] something[02:01:05] else could some of this despite my[02:01:09] skepticism actually be real and if[02:01:13] so what was I in[02:01:16] for I was caught up in these thoughts as[02:01:19] Skinwalker Ranch appeared on the[02:01:21] horizon and Brandon announced that we[02:01:24] needed to say a prayer I'll be asking my[02:01:28] brother Cameron our pilot to offer a[02:01:30] prayer asking for[02:01:33] protection and and and really preparing[02:01:38] ourselves do you pray every time you[02:01:40] come out here before you come out here[02:01:42] every time every time every time we're[02:01:44] dealing with forces that uh that are not[02:01:47] only unknown and unexplained PL but also[02:01:50] have proven to be dangerous and[02:01:53] malevolent the prayer that they offered[02:01:56] was very similar to ones I heard growing[02:02:00] up in the[02:02:07] [Music][02:02:09] church our our dear God Heavenly[02:02:14] Father we're grateful for the[02:02:15] opportunity that we have to come out to[02:02:17] Skinwalker Ranch today we ask for thy[02:02:20] protection and help to avoid any the[02:02:23] negative aspects of the ranch while we[02:02:25] explore the Sciences associated with it[02:02:28] we're grateful for the opportunity to[02:02:30] explore this and to try to learn more[02:02:32] about our our planet this[02:02:34] universe all that thou has created[02:02:37] please bless us this day and to protect[02:02:39] the helicopter from any harm or danger[02:02:42] and also ourselves and we say these[02:02:44] things in the name of Jesus Christ amen[02:02:47] amen[02:02:49] [Applause][02:02:55] welcome to Skinwalker Ranch the most[02:02:57] scientifically studied paranormal[02:02:59] hotspot on the[02:03:00] [Music][02:03:12] [Music][02:03:17] planet[02:03:20] [Music][02:03:23] I think you could say that acquiring[02:03:25] Skinwalker Ranch was part of a religious[02:03:27] Journey or at least my spiritual journey[02:03:30] I think most people on this planet at[02:03:33] some time or another ask those those[02:03:36] long-standing questions where did we[02:03:37] come from why are we here where are we[02:03:39] going is there a higher power is there a[02:03:42] purpose to life and I saw Skinwalker[02:03:45] Ranch as a living Laboratory where you[02:03:49] could you could find potentially some of[02:03:52] the answers to those religious questions[02:03:54] that so many people have or at least[02:03:57] prove that we're not alone in the[02:03:58] universe or that our reality is not what[02:04:00] it might[02:04:03] [Music][02:04:07] seem where does faith fit into that[02:04:11] because with spiritual and religious[02:04:14] beliefs faith is believing that[02:04:16] something exists without seeing it you[02:04:18] have faith that it's there but you can't[02:04:19] see it you can't prove it so how does[02:04:22] faith fit into a place like Skinwalker[02:04:25] where you want to know you want to prove[02:04:27] you want to find people ask me all the[02:04:30] time do you consider yourself a[02:04:33] Believer and my answer is that no I'm[02:04:37] not a believer I'm an experiencer I've[02:04:40] actually experienced things on this[02:04:43] Ranch I have witnessed things I have[02:04:46] data supporting what I believe to be the[02:04:49] fact that there is something truly[02:04:51] extraordinary[02:04:52] [Music][02:05:03] happening before I land at Skinwalker[02:05:07] Ranch you need to know something first[02:05:11] I'm only here because the owner of[02:05:13] Skinwalker Ranch Brandon fugle accepted[02:05:17] my request to come[02:05:19] but that almost didn't[02:05:23] [Music][02:05:24] happen the secret of Skinwalker Ranch is[02:05:27] an ongoing reality show on the History[02:05:29] Channel it documents the Endeavors of[02:05:33] scientists and investigators hunting for[02:05:36] supposed paranormal activity on the[02:05:39] ranch one of those scientists and[02:05:41] arguably the star of the show is Dr[02:05:44] Travis Taylor publicly Taylor has been[02:05:48] very critical of my previous reporting[02:05:50] for the basement[02:05:52] office a few days before my visit[02:05:55] Brandon fugle called me to say Travis[02:05:57] Taylor didn't want me at the ranch and[02:06:00] he asked fugle to cancel my[02:06:03] trip to his credit fugle said no to[02:06:07] Taylor bring it on he said I'm not[02:06:10] scared of[02:06:12] anyone so here I am and here we[02:06:17] go[02:06:19] [Music][02:06:22] hey Bri Arnold meet nice to meet you[02:06:25] this is Bryant Arnold known by his[02:06:27] nickname Dragon he's the ranch Chief[02:06:31] security officer on the History Channel[02:06:33] show he's often seen holding a gun not[02:06:37] to shoot aliens but to protect them[02:06:40] against wild animals like mountain lions[02:06:42] or to arrest human trespassers which[02:06:45] they say they've had a few Steven I'd[02:06:48] like to introduce you to Eric Bard[02:06:50] principal investigator my pleasure this[02:06:53] is Eric Bard the ranch's principal[02:06:55] investigator and chief scientist a[02:06:58] physicist and Technical Guru Bard is[02:07:01] behind the vast installation of the[02:07:04] ranch's high-tech camera systems[02:07:06] monitoring devices and other scientific[02:07:09] equipment on the show he's often the[02:07:12] first one to point out potential[02:07:13] Paranormal[02:07:15] Activity and this is Thomas Winterton[02:07:18] the ranch's superintendent he manages[02:07:21] the maintenance and upkeep of the[02:07:23] property and assists in the team's[02:07:26] investigations he claims to have had[02:07:28] multiple paranormal encounters at the[02:07:31] ranch also present was Caleb bench a[02:07:34] former Marine and sheriff's deputy he's[02:07:37] now a security officer at the ranch and[02:07:39] is also featured on the[02:07:42] show not present was Travis[02:07:47] Taylor I sit down with the skinwalker[02:07:50] crew and bring up the first thing on my[02:07:53] mind this place you guys have been here[02:07:56] for six years um the 20 years prior to[02:08:01] that comes with a lot of history written[02:08:03] history the books are right over there[02:08:05] um a lot of stories yeah big a but a lot[02:08:08] of stories for 20 years the ranch's[02:08:11] previous owner Robert Bigalow claimed[02:08:14] the ranch was crawling with UFOs ghosts[02:08:18] and all kinds of monsters Bigalow[02:08:20] Associates released two books full of[02:08:23] stories about horrifying creatures that[02:08:25] stalk the ranch including a bulletproof[02:08:29] werewolf that couldn't be killed no[02:08:31] matter how many times they shot it so[02:08:34] now that Brandon fugle and his[02:08:36] investigators have been there for six[02:08:39] years have they seen these things have[02:08:43] you guys ever ever any of you seen such[02:08:46] a creature I can only speak for myself[02:08:49] personally no no have[02:08:51] not we have no data under our[02:08:54] investigation that supports that what[02:08:57] about the half dinosaur half beaver[02:08:59] creature that the Bigalow team claimed[02:09:01] to have seen at the ranch has the new[02:09:04] Skinwalker crew ever seen the infamous[02:09:06] Dino[02:09:08] Beaver have you I have never seen I[02:09:11] can't even ask the question have you[02:09:12] ever seen a dino Beaver no I've never[02:09:14] seen a d Dino beaver I wouldn't even[02:09:16] know what that that's an interesting[02:09:19] name to to to come up with sounds like[02:09:21] the most ridiculous thing I've ever[02:09:23] heard and what about the Bigalow claims[02:09:26] of UFOs and scary creatures coming out[02:09:28] of interdimensional tunnels in Portals[02:09:31] you've never seen a portal open up and a[02:09:33] spaceship come out no or I've never seen[02:09:37] a creature reach out and pull itself out[02:09:39] and drop to the ground and walk off[02:09:40] either never seen it no so it appears[02:09:43] the ghouls and goblins of the Bigalow[02:09:45] days are nowhere to be found in Brandon[02:09:48] fugal's version of Skinwalker Ranch I'm[02:09:51] not saying anything negative about our[02:09:54] predecessors I'm just simply saying that[02:09:57] it just sounds so ridiculous because[02:09:59] it's so far outside the scope of what we[02:10:03] are investigating and documenting over[02:10:06] the course of the last 6 years it's[02:10:08] obvious Fugal is trying to distance[02:10:10] himself from the outlandish stories of[02:10:12] the Bigalow era calling some of them[02:10:16] ridiculous however on the history[02:10:18] Channel show that he produces he takes a[02:10:21] different tone in the early 9s Robert[02:10:24] Bigalow bought Skinwalker Ranch and his[02:10:27] team conducted a very aggressive[02:10:30] scientific investigation the Bigalow[02:10:33] team ended up having all sorts of[02:10:35] strange things happen with spooky music[02:10:38] and dramatic effect the Bigalow stories[02:10:40] of the past are used to amplify support[02:10:44] and validate fugal's current Endeavors[02:10:47] Robert big nids team actually started[02:10:50] seeing everything from cattle[02:10:52] mutilations to UFOs to portals that[02:10:55] would open up above the old homesteads[02:10:58] and those events I think underscored how[02:11:01] special this property was as a center of[02:11:03] gravity for Paranormal[02:11:06] Activity the story of a bulletproof wolf[02:11:09] creature for example is presented a few[02:11:12] times in fugal's show with a very[02:11:14] legitimizing tone a very large wolf came[02:11:18] in off the planes the father then went[02:11:21] inside got a weapon and came out and[02:11:23] started shooting at it Point Blank you[02:11:25] know right here shooting at the[02:11:29] wolf they encountered these giant[02:11:32] wolflike creatures that the Native[02:11:34] Americans would refer to a skinwalker[02:11:36] and were literally impervious to you[02:11:40] know to gunshots as we previously[02:11:42] reported Robert Bigalow never presented[02:11:45] any evidence at all to support any of[02:11:48] his claims about wolf creatures or other[02:11:51] monsters at Skinwalker Ranch and Beyond[02:11:54] just stories neither does Fugal I've[02:11:58] heard that this ground here is the[02:12:00] Gateway for these shape shifters are[02:12:03] these Skin Walkers yeah all that[02:12:07] notwithstanding there is one spooky[02:12:09] thing from the Bigalow days that fugle[02:12:12] and his team openly claim to be true The[02:12:16] Hitchhiker a malevolent phenomena that[02:12:19] supposedly attaches itself to people[02:12:22] attacks them and causes a wide range of[02:12:25] injuries to their bodies The Hitchhiker[02:12:28] phenomena according to you is real we[02:12:32] have[02:12:33] data demonstrating that there is[02:12:35] validity to those claims illnesses and[02:12:39] injuries have occurred at your Ranch[02:12:43] absolutely this of course leads me to an[02:12:45] obvious question I have to ask this[02:12:48] question why are you guys[02:12:50] here if if that is a threat and if that[02:12:53] is a potential and and if that can[02:12:55] happen at any moment what are you doing[02:12:58] here best person to answer that question[02:12:59] is sitting right here what are you doing[02:13:01] here yeah in 2017 I uh suffered a head[02:13:05] injury that nearly cost me my life[02:13:08] Thomas says he felt pain in his head but[02:13:11] had no idea what was causing it a doctor[02:13:14] Was preparing my My Wife and Kids for[02:13:16] the fact that I may not pull out of it[02:13:19] um people ask well why do you go back I[02:13:22] come back for several reasons uh first[02:13:25] being is uh something that almost cost[02:13:28] me my life became very personal I'd like[02:13:31] to get some answers I'd like to know[02:13:32] what happened thas claims doctors ran[02:13:35] dozens of tests on him but were left[02:13:38] baffled as to the cause or source of his[02:13:41] head injury when I uh was discharged[02:13:45] from the hospital they literally didn't[02:13:48] know what the diagnosis was really and[02:13:50] so I I had to sign a paper on discharge[02:13:53] where they stated they didn't know what[02:13:54] had taken place that's really[02:13:57] interesting and difficult for me to[02:13:59] process you know that's that's unique[02:14:02] and it's not the only case from what I[02:14:04] understand on the History Channel show[02:14:07] there are quite a few times when cast[02:14:09] members appear to be afflicted by some[02:14:12] kind of invisible force often they end[02:14:15] up in Urgent Care with various[02:14:18] diagnosis to be sure it is quite[02:14:22] shocking to watch we have had numerous[02:14:25] accute medical episodes occur with[02:14:29] participants unfortunately under my[02:14:31] stewardship okay that's why I had you[02:14:34] sign the same liability I had sign a[02:14:37] health waiver yeah the waiver of[02:14:38] liability is something that we have[02:14:41] required the waiver fugle required me to[02:14:44] sign before coming to Skinwalker[02:14:46] explicitly said I could be seriously[02:14:49] injured or Worse from the Paranormal[02:14:52] phenomena at the ranch I personally[02:14:55] didn't feel scared at all because I[02:14:57] didn't believe it but deep down I'll[02:15:00] admit I[02:15:02] wondered what[02:15:08] if it was time to take a tour fugle[02:15:12] asked me what I'd like to see first I[02:15:14] tell him I want to see where it all[02:15:16] started[02:15:19] this is the house where in 2007 James[02:15:23] latsky then a scientist for the defense[02:15:26] intelligence agency claims he witnessed[02:15:29] a glowing paranormal Apparition floating[02:15:32] in[02:15:33] midair and because of this experience[02:15:36] latsky approached Senator Harry Reid[02:15:39] about creating an official Pentagon[02:15:41] program to study UFOs and related[02:15:44] phenomena such as the ghostly object he[02:15:46] claims to have seen[02:15:48] funded with taxpayer money the assap[02:15:51] program among other things investigated[02:15:54] supposed paranormal phenomena at[02:15:56] Skinwalker Ranch the assap program[02:16:00] eventually ended up on the front page of[02:16:02] the New York Times an a factually[02:16:05] inaccurate[02:16:06] article that erroneous article led to a[02:16:10] viral media[02:16:11] circus which has culminated with[02:16:14] Congress spending more taxpayer money on[02:16:17] UFOs[02:16:19] all that not withstanding the story in[02:16:22] many ways started here in this house at[02:16:27] Skinwalker[02:16:29] Ranch uh this is where a number of[02:16:31] incidents have occurred most notably the[02:16:35] military official that came out and had[02:16:38] an[02:16:39] experience correct this is where James[02:16:41] latki saw the thing the the mobia strip[02:16:45] the Tubular Bells appear in front of him[02:16:47] correct in here it was in a kitchen or[02:16:49] something it was in a kitchen it's right[02:16:51] in that door Candace Lynn and Tom Lewis[02:16:55] currently live in this house as the[02:16:57] ranch's[02:16:58] caretakers they invite us inside to take[02:17:01] a[02:17:03] look so you have the kitchen right there[02:17:06] but it's right here so James was[02:17:09] actually[02:17:10] standing right here mhm when he saw[02:17:15] appear where you're standing right where[02:17:18] understanding so this is strange the[02:17:22] story is now different because James[02:17:25] latsky stated multiple times that he saw[02:17:29] the object in the[02:17:31] kitchen however now that the Fugal team[02:17:35] mistakenly thinks laty had his[02:17:37] experience in the foyer almost like in a[02:17:39] game of telephone they now have their[02:17:42] own new spooky stories about the[02:17:46] foyer this is a special spot in the[02:17:49] house we've had multiple people um[02:17:52] witness something in front of this[02:17:55] window between the door and the window[02:17:58] yeah so it it wasn't only the the[02:18:00] military guy Kristen was standing right[02:18:03] here and she and looking toward the same[02:18:06] area that James had been looking toward[02:18:10] and suspended in the air was this[02:18:13] gridlike[02:18:15] structure and then some other people who[02:18:17] have been here wouldn't even sit right[02:18:20] they won't even sit in front of this[02:18:22] this window people no one people sit[02:18:26] here yeah well not just well we sit[02:18:29] there all the time but there are people[02:18:31] that refuse to even sit where you're[02:18:33] sitting because of what they've[02:18:35] witnessed suspended in the air right[02:18:38] above you right above me there's[02:18:40] something about that window and there is[02:18:44] maybe something happened in front of[02:18:46] that window where it's giving off uh a[02:18:50] negative energy it's the way it's been[02:18:52] described to us you do have a camera yes[02:18:55] we do in fact that's the only inside[02:18:57] camera we have because of the strange[02:19:00] that's exactly where I was going I was[02:19:01] like have you thought about putting a[02:19:02] cam there it is okay great ever captured[02:19:05] anything we've captured uh thing[02:19:08] something will because I have it set up[02:19:11] so it turns on if it gets an emotion and[02:19:17] it'll[02:19:18] turn on sometimes we don't ever we[02:19:20] haven't yet seen anything H okay all[02:19:25] right that's[02:19:26] interesting we left the ranch house and[02:19:29] had only walked a few dozen yards before[02:19:32] I saw something strange are those bullet[02:19:35] holes they are shotgun looks like[02:19:37] shotgun yeah we've messed with that[02:19:39] trailer time and all the I see the[02:19:42] window shot out yeah I mean that trailer[02:19:45] sat there dumpy for so long and everyone[02:19:48] was like I really want to throw a rock[02:19:50] through that window or something and[02:19:51] then one day Thomas decides to pick up a[02:19:55] rock and throw it through the window and[02:19:57] then it was like all bets are off[02:20:00] everybody just started going gang[02:20:02] busters on[02:20:08] it Fugal leads me towards a Rocky Hill[02:20:12] where he says a mysterious symbol is[02:20:14] engraved in stone is this the trail yep[02:20:18] come oh we're going literally off the[02:20:20] beaten[02:20:21] [Music][02:20:24] Trail Brandon do you ever dress Ranch[02:20:27] appropriate this is me dressing them[02:20:30] this is you dressing them this is me[02:20:31] that's him casual this is me casual this[02:20:34] is as casual as I[02:20:36] get the symbol carved into the Rock is[02:20:39] said to be over 200 years old and is[02:20:42] apparently a symbol from[02:20:44] Freemasons so we've had a number of[02:20:46] experts look at this symbol and[02:20:49] determine that it is communicating As[02:20:52] Above So Below As Above So Below is a[02:20:56] historical phrase appropriated in modern[02:20:59] times to describe the symbiotic[02:21:01] relationship between Earth Below and[02:21:05] Heaven[02:21:08] above it was above this exact Rocky Mesa[02:21:12] where Fugal claims the first UFOs of his[02:21:15] Skinwalker Ranch tenure[02:21:17] appeared in June 2016 two months after[02:21:21] buying Skinwalker from Robert Bigalow a[02:21:24] hired surveyor on the ranch called fugle[02:21:27] to say he had taken a photo of a[02:21:30] UFO at the time fugle was back in Salt[02:21:34] Lake City and I told him stop everything[02:21:38] do not talk to anyone do not stop[02:21:40] anywhere I need you to come straight[02:21:42] here this is the photo the surveyor[02:21:45] drove 3 hours to physically show Fugal[02:21:48] and this is the supposed UFO it is a you[02:21:52] know bonafied unidentified flying object[02:21:56] and it zipped away the description of[02:21:58] the object zipping off comes only from[02:22:01] The Hired surveyor fugo would later have[02:22:04] a falling out with this surveyor for[02:22:06] becoming in his words[02:22:09] unreliable he ended up turning to[02:22:11] alcohol out there and started really[02:22:15] acting erratically and I had to he[02:22:18] basically became unreliable after about[02:22:21] a year after 6 months of owning[02:22:23] Skinwalker Ranch fugle still had not[02:22:27] personally seen anything strange or[02:22:30] paranormal and I was visiting every[02:22:33] month sometimes a couple of times a[02:22:35] month stepen I didn't see anything[02:22:36] unusual I didn't feel[02:22:38] anything unusual when visiting the[02:22:42] property but this all changed with a[02:22:44] phone call in October 2016[02:22:48] and then October of 2016 I received a[02:22:51] call from Dr Green Dr Christopher green[02:22:54] or kit green as I reported in the[02:22:57] previous episode kit green is a former[02:23:00] CIA scientist with a long history of[02:23:03] researching paranormal topics back in[02:23:06] 2009 green was one of the people who[02:23:09] encouraged Fugal to invest his money and[02:23:11] resources into helping Joe fermage build[02:23:14] an anti-gravity device this endeavor[02:23:17] fell apart after it was determined that[02:23:19] Fermin's device didn't work and was[02:23:21] based on pseudo science Fugal says he[02:23:25] lost millions of[02:23:27] dollars years later in 2015 green would[02:23:30] call Fugal yet again and encourage him[02:23:33] to buy Skinwalker Ranch from Robert[02:23:36] Bigalow which fugle[02:23:38] did then in[02:23:40] 2016 kit green was calling once more I[02:23:44] received a call from Dr Green saying I[02:23:46] have an individ idual an associate who[02:23:49] would like to visit the ranch in fact[02:23:51] it's his number one item on his bucket[02:23:54] list in life he's been wanting to come[02:23:55] visit the ranch for years and he's been[02:23:57] denied access Fugal agreed to allow[02:24:00] Green's associate a successful surgeon[02:24:03] to come visit the ranch the surgeon[02:24:06] arrived with his son and two men Fugal[02:24:09] says were the surgeon's security no[02:24:11] sooner had they arrived fle says weird[02:24:14] things started to happen as they for the[02:24:17] ranch the surgeon and his Entourage[02:24:20] began to complain about dizziness and[02:24:22] sensations of vertigo we're sitting[02:24:25] there and and and kind of marveling at[02:24:28] what is happening everyone's feeling[02:24:29] kind of off apparently everyone's[02:24:31] feeling a sensation and then I look[02:24:34] around I'm like where's where's the[02:24:36] security George was his name the big 6'6[02:24:39] guy he he was not there one of the[02:24:41] security guards had disappeared fugle[02:24:45] says he went to look for him and found[02:24:47] him standing upright in the back of one[02:24:51] of the ranch's[02:24:52] ATVs his eyes were closed and he was[02:24:55] unresponsive to fugle calling his name[02:24:59] finally fugle says he woke up his eyes[02:25:02] flutter open and he looks down at me and[02:25:05] I say is everything okay we've been what[02:25:09] what's going on he says whoa that was[02:25:12] weird as soon as you stopped the vehicle[02:25:15] and everyone jumped out out as I stood[02:25:18] up I couldn't move my head and[02:25:22] everything went black soon after this[02:25:25] Fugal claims all of their phone[02:25:26] batteries inexplicably died all of our[02:25:30] phones were dead fully drained battery[02:25:33] had gone from basically about 80% charge[02:25:36] to zilch nothing the group went back to[02:25:39] the ranch headquarters to plug their[02:25:41] phones in and it was during their Trek[02:25:44] back out onto the ranch that everyone[02:25:47] including Fugal saw a flying saucer[02:25:50] above the rocky Mesa right ahead of us[02:25:54] above the Mesa in broad[02:25:57] daylight within fairly close proximity[02:26:00] is a 40 to[02:26:02] 50t Silver grayish disc like object[02:26:08] Fugal says the object began moving[02:26:10] erratically back and forth before it[02:26:12] darted off and disappeared and then[02:26:15] within a few seconds[02:26:17] it's gone like almost like a bullet[02:26:19] shooting off into the distance since all[02:26:22] of their phones were dead photos and[02:26:25] videos of this sighting don't exist[02:26:29] however while reviewing photos taken[02:26:32] earlier that day they discovered a photo[02:26:35] that allegedly shows a saucer-like UFO[02:26:38] in the[02:26:39] sky and it looks strangely similar to[02:26:44] what we the three of us is cited above[02:26:47] the Mesa later that day the surgeon and[02:26:50] his Entourage left the ranch fugle says[02:26:53] he never saw them again but if he had[02:26:56] been a skeptic about the ranch before as[02:26:59] he claims this series of events[02:27:01] converted him into a full believer it[02:27:04] was a game-changing experience for me it[02:27:07] changed my entire perspective relative[02:27:10] to the ranch I felt a new urgency and[02:27:15] imperative this was the third time in 7[02:27:18] years that a phone call from the same[02:27:21] former CIA official resulted in Fugal[02:27:24] investing in the[02:27:30] Paranormal we walk down from the rocky[02:27:32] Mesa and get inside Jurassic Park type[02:27:35] Jeeps to take a Jurassic Park type tour[02:27:38] of the 500 acre ranch here are the[02:27:41] property's borders as seen from above[02:27:45] this is the ranch headquarters known as[02:27:47] Homestead 1 this is the rocky Mesa where[02:27:51] Fugal showed me the mysterious Masonic[02:27:53] symbol carved in[02:27:55] stone we drive along this dirt road and[02:27:59] to our left see the first of three[02:28:01] observation towers or bait pens from the[02:28:04] Bigalow[02:28:06] days you you call them the bait cage or[02:28:08] something bait pen bait pen yeah you'd[02:28:10] have animals you either have livestock[02:28:12] or dogs as bio sensors to draw the[02:28:17] phenomena Bigalow would Place animals in[02:28:20] these pens as bait and then Ranch[02:28:22] investigators would wait for a predator[02:28:25] ghost monster to show up and I don't[02:28:27] know maybe attack the animal or[02:28:28] something by the way when I say Predator[02:28:31] I literally mean Predator entities that[02:28:34] were cloaking their presence mhm much[02:28:38] like you see on the motion picture[02:28:40] Predator from decades ago further down[02:28:43] the road we enter the triangle a[02:28:46] location never really mentioned by the[02:28:48] Bigalow team but has suddenly become a[02:28:50] center of supposed paranormal activity[02:28:53] during fugal's tenure this is a point in[02:28:55] the ranch where you have decided[02:28:58] something is centered or happens more[02:29:01] often or something there is a yes there[02:29:03] is a high frequency of unexplained[02:29:06] activity MH including electromagnetic[02:29:09] anomalies that occur here right here[02:29:12] fugal's team believes there is some kind[02:29:14] of spooky invisible anomaly in the air[02:29:17] above the triangle we've been talking[02:29:19] about the area over the triangle being[02:29:21] some sort of anomaly potentially a[02:29:24] portal one end of a wormhole[02:29:28] something Gateway could yeah what if[02:29:31] that's the other end of the[02:29:33] Wormhole past the triangle within a[02:29:36] small patch of trees is Homestead[02:29:39] 2 arguably the most iconic location on[02:29:43] the ranch it's a group of abandoned and[02:29:45] desolate buildings buildings where[02:29:47] families used to live nearly hundred[02:29:50] years ago Fugal tells me Homestead 2 is[02:29:53] possibly the most haunted spot on the[02:29:56] ranch a Nexus of all kinds of Paranormal[02:29:59] Activity unexplained phenomena for[02:30:03] whatever reason seems to be focused or[02:30:06] at least a higher degree of it is[02:30:08] focused in this area according to the[02:30:10] stories of the Bigalow ERA this place[02:30:13] was supposedly the site of shocking[02:30:15] paranormal things[02:30:17] like monster[02:30:18] spiders portals to another dimension[02:30:22] Poltergeist[02:30:24] activity and this is the location where[02:30:27] Bigalow investigators claim they saw the[02:30:30] infamous Dino[02:30:32] Beaver Fugal and his team haven't seen[02:30:35] any monster spiders or Dino beavers they[02:30:38] do say they have recorded strange[02:30:41] unknown anomalies on various scientific[02:30:44] devices like the time they brought[02:30:46] brought out the rabbi from Ancient[02:30:48] Aliens who's written books about aliens[02:30:51] to say a prayer in front of Homestead 2[02:30:54] and they noticed the temperature changed[02:30:56] a little bit as the Ancient Aliens Rabbi[02:30:59] said the prayer the rabbi said it was a[02:31:02] chance that's supposed to open up a[02:31:05] portal I don't know I guess I was[02:31:08] secretly hoping for Monster[02:31:11] Spiders we step outside the homestead[02:31:15] and I asked the team if they never[02:31:16] encountered ghostly voices from[02:31:18] invisible entities like previous Bigalow[02:31:21] investigators had claimed they had have[02:31:24] there ever been[02:31:26] any moments of that disembodied voices[02:31:29] telepathic voices you yes three times on[02:31:34] this[02:31:38] Ranch Thomas tells me a story where he[02:31:41] and his wife went to the ranch[02:31:44] headquarters alone in the the middle of[02:31:46] the night to troubleshoot a technical[02:31:49] problem with one of the ranch[02:31:50] surveillance cameras he says the moment[02:31:53] they arrived they felt uneasy it was not[02:31:56] a good feeling that night uh it was one[02:31:59] that when you come in on Gates the hair[02:32:01] stands start standing up on your your[02:32:03] arms while troubleshooting at a computer[02:32:06] they heard various strange sounds but[02:32:09] nothing was[02:32:11] there and then he says a voice spoke to[02:32:15] them it sounded like a male or a man[02:32:19] standing between my wife and I we both[02:32:21] heard it the exact same time just said[02:32:23] you need to leave[02:32:24] now and my wife and I looked at each[02:32:27] other she's like did you hear that how[02:32:30] loud was it about like that you need to[02:32:32] leave now and I thought it was auditory[02:32:36] okay we both thought we were hearing it[02:32:37] with our ears um I went to reach forward[02:32:40] for the[02:32:41] mouse and uh on this download and we[02:32:45] heard it a second time you need to leave[02:32:47] now frightened Thomas and his wife did[02:32:51] leave but he says he would hear a[02:32:54] similar disembodied voice on the ranch[02:32:57] on two other[02:32:58] occasions and uh at this point you know[02:33:01] having been raised uh very religious you[02:33:04] know the Holy Ghost this still Small[02:33:06] Voice right that's what I assigned it[02:33:11] to Thomas grew up in the Mormon[02:33:15] religion the Holy Ghost in Mormonism is[02:33:18] described as a still Small Voice and is[02:33:21] believed to be a real spiritual entity[02:33:24] that comforts you guides you and[02:33:27] sometimes literally talks to you I also[02:33:30] grew up Mormon and I would often hear[02:33:33] church members tell stories about a[02:33:36] voice that spoke to them usually in most[02:33:39] of the stories I heard the voice was a[02:33:43] warning don't go down that alleyway[02:33:46] don't go to that party don't get in that[02:33:50] car for Thomas he says he heard you need[02:33:54] to leave now it's hard not to[02:33:59] notice how religion plays a role in a[02:34:02] Skinwalker Ranch specifically you know[02:34:05] Mormonism does Mormonism directly or[02:34:09] indirectly play a role that's a valid[02:34:13] question when you have so many[02:34:16] participants that have a similar[02:34:18] cultural background or cultural[02:34:20] programming everyone in the skinwalker[02:34:22] crew that I met that day had at one[02:34:25] point been involved with the Mormon[02:34:28] church I was curious you guys are is[02:34:30] everyone here at this table either[02:34:32] current Mormon grew up Mormon Mormon[02:34:35] Heritage that kind of thing I was just[02:34:37] curious about culturally I was I would[02:34:40] say yeah we've all have experiences um[02:34:44] and we're all in different places with[02:34:46] that I would say that's how I metant[02:34:49] yeah I was his mission trainer oh you[02:34:51] were his senior companion that's correct[02:34:52] he is my father[02:34:55] yeah you guys were he was my he was my[02:34:58] senior companion my trainer in Hawaii[02:35:02] Fugal and Arnold met each other on a[02:35:04] Mormon mission in Hawaii in[02:35:08] 1992 and as someone who also served a[02:35:11] Mormon Mission and was at one point[02:35:14] actively involved with the church it's[02:35:17] hard not to notice the religion's subtle[02:35:20] influences here at Skinwalker Ranch[02:35:23] Mormon theology I believe provides a[02:35:27] very compelling road map or[02:35:30] explanation when it comes to[02:35:32] understanding our place in the universe[02:35:33] I mean I I love my faith I was I was[02:35:36] raised to believe that that we are not[02:35:39] alone in the universe that there are[02:35:41] worlds without number that there is a[02:35:43] higher power that there is a divine[02:35:47] inspired nature to our existence when[02:35:50] Fugal says there are worlds without[02:35:53] number that comes directly from Mormon[02:35:56] theology in the church it's taught that[02:35:59] there are multiple dimensions of reality[02:36:02] separated by a spiritual fabric of[02:36:05] SpaceTime they call the[02:36:07] veil within all of these dimensions are[02:36:10] worlds without number worlds full of[02:36:14] people who are alien to our[02:36:18] Earth traveling between these Dimensions[02:36:20] is possible through the power of God and[02:36:24] through the power of[02:36:26] Satan it should be noted that Harry Reid[02:36:29] the late US senator who believed there[02:36:31] was indeed something paranormal at[02:36:33] Skinwalker Ranch and who went on to[02:36:36] sponsor the creation of a pentagon[02:36:39] program to study and investigate the[02:36:41] ranch was also a lifelong member of the[02:36:44] Mormon church when asked by journalist[02:36:47] and former Bigalow associate George knap[02:36:50] how he reconciled his Mormon beliefs[02:36:53] with a study of the Paranormal Reed said[02:36:57] this anyone that's looked at Mormonism[02:36:59] at all understands that we believe that[02:37:03] there are other worlds and you know so[02:37:05] Joseph Smith when he was he was murdered[02:37:07] at 38 he um came up with this idea he[02:37:13] claimed he got it from as we believe[02:37:16] from divine intervention um but he was[02:37:21] right and others are wrong because I[02:37:23] think there's no question that there[02:37:25] other worlds so but proving that[02:37:27] scientifically has been somewhat elusive[02:37:29] proving that there's an afterlife that[02:37:31] there are other dimensions of reality[02:37:33] and I think at Skinwalker Ranch we truly[02:37:35] have accomplished what no one else has[02:37:38] accomplished and that is we've proven[02:37:40] that there is more to our reality that[02:37:41] meets the eye Fugal saying he's proven[02:37:45] some of these things things intrigues me[02:37:47] because throughout the day I'd heard[02:37:50] lots of emphatic claims and compelling[02:37:53] stories but I still hadn't seen anything[02:37:56] with my own eyes so I asked them to show[02:38:01] me we enter the ranch Command Center[02:38:05] what was once Robert Bigelow's bedroom[02:38:08] is now a very impressive headquarters[02:38:11] full of high-tech computers monitors and[02:38:14] other scientific[02:38:16] devices Fugal has spared no expense in[02:38:20] buying top-of-the-line equipment for his[02:38:22] investigations at the ranch that in[02:38:25] particular that's a[02:38:26] $30,000 this is this comp the brain it's[02:38:29] a super computer super computer yeah[02:38:32] well[02:38:34] here it looks like a few black and white[02:38:37] photos I've[02:38:38] seen yeah[02:38:41] sure what is this it says Satan one[02:38:46] right so that's a that's an acronym uh[02:38:49] it's a sentinel assignment Telemetry and[02:38:53] notification including Satan Eric Bard[02:38:56] has assigned religious names to various[02:38:58] pieces of equipment Cain Adam Eve I've[02:39:04] got something to show you oh please okay[02:39:08] Eric Bard then reveals brand new[02:39:10] evidence he just found on the ranch so[02:39:13] new fugle hasn't even seen it yet this[02:39:17] is the first time I'm seeing this[02:39:19] material this is It's a crystallin[02:39:22] material and there's an abundance of it[02:39:24] out at the homestead area Wow have you[02:39:27] analyzed this yet uh no where did you[02:39:30] find this this is out at in the vicinity[02:39:33] of Homestead 2 under the ground on the[02:39:35] ground um you can see it reflecting[02:39:37] light on the surface of the[02:39:40] ground huh and you've never seen it[02:39:44] before it meaning it it it stuck out to[02:39:47] you as something new yeah I mean again[02:39:49] this is something that could be[02:39:50] perfectly natural but you know it raises[02:39:52] questions is is this only found in that[02:39:55] area could it have some relationship to[02:39:57] the phenomenology itself out there is it[02:39:59] natural what kind of process could have[02:40:01] caused this is it geologic yeah so we're[02:40:05] going to we're going to we're going to[02:40:06] take a closer look at this okay I decide[02:40:08] I need to see more than just normal[02:40:10] looking rocks discovered where rocks are[02:40:12] usually[02:40:13] found Fugal has installed dozens and[02:40:16] dozens of surveillance cameras on the[02:40:19] ranch and all of that video comes[02:40:21] through here and computers highlight any[02:40:24] movement or[02:40:26] strangeness so with cameras all over the[02:40:29] place running 24/7 for many years now[02:40:34] what are the best examples of Paranormal[02:40:36] Activity they've captured on video what[02:40:39] are some of the best examples of[02:40:42] something[02:40:44] anomalous[02:40:46] this is what he shows[02:40:49] me go ahead say it out loud what's your[02:40:52] first[02:40:53] impression and what's the first thing[02:40:55] that comes to mind when you see that[02:40:56] that movement uh bug yes um I see a[02:41:00] spider hanging from a web that you can't[02:41:02] is not being picked up on camera in the[02:41:03] wind blowing it is what I see you could[02:41:05] see legs almost it almost looks like a[02:41:07] body with legs going like this oh see[02:41:10] okay the video clip is only 20 seconds[02:41:14] long as such were not able to see what[02:41:17] occurred before or after the blurry bug[02:41:20] thing[02:41:21] appeared this limits the ability to[02:41:24] fully come to a conclusion so this thing[02:41:27] goes out of sight and that's it that's[02:41:29] it so is it[02:41:31] conclusive uh no I don't I don't think[02:41:33] it is but boy it's interesting they show[02:41:36] this same clip on the History Channel[02:41:38] show but they edit it in a way that[02:41:41] makes it seem like it appears out of[02:41:43] thin air I really want want your[02:41:45] thoughts on what this might[02:41:46] [Music][02:41:49] be what on Earth is that then after only[02:41:53] briefly looking at it Travis Taylor[02:41:56] suggests the blurry bug thing might be[02:41:59] something like I tell you what it[02:42:01] reminds me of the Tic Tac UAP[02:42:04] video the UAP that appeared in the Tic[02:42:07] Tac video that was recorded by the USS[02:42:09] nimus group in[02:42:11] 2004 uh[02:42:14] what here's some night vision footage I[02:42:17] found of a spider spinning a web these[02:42:20] white orbs are just the infrared[02:42:22] reflecting off the silk it's not a[02:42:25] perfect match but it makes more sense[02:42:28] than a Tic Tac UFO that can travel at[02:42:30] 80,000 mes an[02:42:33] hour this is the next video that they[02:42:36] show me okay yes so something's up here[02:42:40] moving what I think is like a moth it's[02:42:42] very bug likee it isn't it yeah it is[02:42:45] very very erratic and Bug like mhm[02:42:48] here's the problem look at the look at[02:42:50] the time stamp look at the date[02:42:52] mhm oh cold yeah oh it's middle winter[02:42:56] yep okay you see the problem yeah now[02:42:59] the the thing that caught my attention[02:43:01] about this is the way this thing exits[02:43:03] the scene I could see that this object[02:43:05] literally shrinks as it recedes as if[02:43:07] towards the horizon really fast okay so[02:43:11] here we[02:43:12] go you see what happens there play it[02:43:15] again so here we[02:43:18] go that's kind it's like the Millennium[02:43:20] Falcon hits hyperspace you know you know[02:43:23] and that's why sometimes when I play[02:43:24] this for people I'll make that[02:43:26] noise while it may be fun to pretend[02:43:29] that this is a craft zipping away at[02:43:32] high speed in reality there is simply[02:43:35] not enough data there to fully identify[02:43:38] what it is do you understand how someone[02:43:41] could go down a rabbit hole an endless[02:43:44] rabbit hole on something like this this[02:43:45] where when I see that I'm like I think[02:43:48] that's a moth pending any new data[02:43:51] Beyond this one video is it worth my[02:43:55] time really to obsess about it you know[02:43:58] there is no there is no authoritative[02:44:01] answer you're the one who's going to[02:44:02] provide that[02:44:04] answer and this is the final video I'm[02:44:08] shown in one of the ranch's abandoned[02:44:11] buildings in the middle of the day two[02:44:14] glowing objects float in[02:44:17] midair a bird flaps around and[02:44:21] squaws the two objects appear to float[02:44:24] up towards the bird the bird then flies[02:44:28] away oh dude the instant it reaches the[02:44:32] bird it flies away[02:44:34] yeah okay so here's what I'm going to[02:44:36] ask you to do I want you to give[02:44:39] me uh one or two prosaic explanations[02:44:44] for this sure um caterpillars you know[02:44:47] the silk worms yes like the caterpillars[02:44:49] they do that they hang they suspend an[02:44:52] air like that and so when I saw let's[02:44:56] take a look I like I like this this[02:44:59] comparison the only thing that makes me[02:45:00] think it's not this is just the light[02:45:04] there does seem to[02:45:06] be a source of light right that is[02:45:10] strange though I'll give you that that's[02:45:12] that is weird why should your average[02:45:15] person care is it in the grand scheme of[02:45:18] things is what I just saw on this like[02:45:21] who cares so we've gone from seeing two[02:45:23] flashes of light in a carriage house to[02:45:26] some really deep dive philosophical[02:45:29] questions and to me that's that's at[02:45:32] least part of the point of this okay um[02:45:34] I like this this discourse I like to[02:45:36] take it there take the moment and forget[02:45:38] about all the other mundane stuff you[02:45:40] know the stuff that goes on in daily[02:45:41] life and and and think for a moment[02:45:43] about what what it mean to me if I were[02:45:46] to see that type of an[02:45:48] event okay I don't think there's just[02:45:50] one answer to this I have my answer you[02:45:53] have yours I think I would assume but I[02:45:56] think what you just said is what would[02:45:59] happen if yes that just that that[02:46:02] question what would happen if I think[02:46:05] sums up UFOs the Paranormal[02:46:10] yes all of it is that qu what would[02:46:13] happen if[02:46:18] Brandon fugle flies back to Salt Lake[02:46:21] City to attend to his real estate[02:46:25] business he's given me permission to[02:46:28] sleep overnight in a tent out at[02:46:32] Homestead too by[02:46:35] myself I was about to head out when[02:46:38] Thomas and Eric sat me down and tried to[02:46:41] talk me out of it we've never allowed[02:46:43] somebody to be out there by them[02:46:45] themselves alone just because of all the[02:46:47] safety the health issues that we've had[02:46:50] they asked me if I'd be okay if they[02:46:52] came out with me and remained close[02:46:55] throughout the[02:46:56] night as a safeguard in case anything[02:46:59] happened to me I said[02:47:03] no I wanted to be alone out there um to[02:47:07] experience it alone I sure I think[02:47:09] having like chaperon up on the hillsides[02:47:11] isn't what I planned on doing it soon[02:47:13] became apparent to me[02:47:15] that they were indeed legitimately[02:47:18] worried about me I could see in their[02:47:20] eyes real genuine concern you guys are[02:47:24] worried about me you're really worried[02:47:26] about me aren't you this this isn't[02:47:28] ghost Tes that we've made up to to[02:47:30] narrative out there these are things[02:47:32] where real live individuals that were[02:47:35] here suffered serious consequences they[02:47:38] tell me they're concerned because[02:47:40] multiple people have been previously[02:47:42] attacked and injured by paranormal[02:47:44] forces on the ranch specifically out at[02:47:48] Homestead 2 and there was no cell phone[02:47:51] reception out there if something[02:47:54] happened to me I'd be on my own here's[02:47:57] the deal if we send you over there by[02:47:58] yourself and something bad happens and[02:48:01] we're over here not only are we worried[02:48:04] about the fact that we may not be able[02:48:05] to get to you in time and and I'll tell[02:48:07] you right now I've personally been on[02:48:08] cases where it came down to minutes of[02:48:10] being getting somebody off I mean it was[02:48:12] that serious of an issue I finally agree[02:48:16] to take a walkie-talkie with me to at[02:48:18] least remain in radio contact with the[02:48:22] team before I head out Eric tells me[02:48:26] your presence here is an[02:48:28] experiment that it literally could yield[02:48:31] data he's curious to see if I will[02:48:34] provoke the Paranormal into revealing[02:48:37] itself I'm in the bait[02:48:40] pen well I'm in the bait pen I wasn't[02:48:44] thinking of it in those[02:48:45] yeah right like a worm on a[02:48:52] [Music][02:49:00] hook I appreciate[02:49:03] it as I drove out onto the ranch it felt[02:49:09] like I was inside a[02:49:10] church a 500 acre[02:49:13] Church where Believers saw[02:49:17] miracles signs and[02:49:20] wonders and I a skeptic saw[02:49:26] nothing was I missing[02:49:28] something was I[02:49:31] blind would a night at Skinwalker Ranch[02:49:34] open my[02:49:36] eyes was I in for some kind of Unholy[02:49:40] baptism hopefully they're not showing[02:49:42] this footage at my funeral[02:49:47] [Music][02:49:56] as I set up my tent outside supposedly[02:49:59] the most dangerous place on the ranch I[02:50:02] thought about the concern in the eyes of[02:50:04] Thomas and Eric they were probably[02:50:07] wondering what kind of terrible things[02:50:10] awaited me what kind of monsters would[02:50:13] soon reveal themselves[02:50:16] what kind of ghosts would haunt[02:50:19] me was I worried about those[02:50:22] things[02:50:24] no but as the sun set and my night at[02:50:29] Skinwalker Ranch[02:50:31] began I found myself[02:50:34] wondering what[02:50:36] [Music][02:50:43] if[02:50:50] [Music][02:50:59] [Music][02:51:05] there's a part of this story that I[02:51:07] haven't told yet because I couldn't[02:51:11] figure out how to tell it but as I set[02:51:14] up my tent on Skinwalker[02:51:17] Ranch I thought about something I'd seen[02:51:20] and heard earlier that[02:51:23] day something that changed my perception[02:51:26] of the land I was walking[02:51:31] on this right here is the end of[02:51:33] Skinwalker Ranch this is the the[02:51:36] perimeter right correct this is this is[02:51:38] owned by the Ute oray tribe so right[02:51:41] here is Native American land look[02:51:42] there's a bone right there y[02:51:45] this this is fascinating to me because I[02:51:48] knew the local tribes were near[02:51:51] proximity Skinwalker you are literally[02:51:54] mhm touching I've seen the the black and[02:51:57] white photos of what look like skins[02:52:00] they're[02:52:01] bladders animal bladders when I acquired[02:52:04] the property in 2016 they were hanging[02:52:09] on the fence line and I asked the[02:52:12] security you know what are these what is[02:52:15] this about this is kind of gross and he[02:52:17] said that uh the neighboring tribe had[02:52:21] placed these on the fence line in order[02:52:25] to keep the Demonic shape-shifting[02:52:29] entities on this property and off of[02:52:32] theirs that it would ward off the skin[02:52:35] walker the[02:52:38] skinwalker when the Mormon pioneers[02:52:40] entered Utah in the 1800s they[02:52:43] encountered the you Native Americans[02:52:46] indigenous tribes that had lived there[02:52:49] for[02:52:50] centuries as the Mormons began building[02:52:53] towns and cities brutal and bloody wars[02:52:56] were fought to control the land for[02:53:00] decades the Utes battled to defend the[02:53:02] home of their[02:53:04] ancestors the consequences were[02:53:07] devastating a microcosm of a national[02:53:10] genocide the Ute population suffered and[02:53:13] dwindled from disease and[02:53:16] War defeated and often at gunpoint they[02:53:20] were placed inside America's second[02:53:22] largest Indian[02:53:24] Reservation the uent and[02:53:28] or as I down in the river to[02:53:33] pray studying about that good old way[02:53:38] and who should wear the Rob and Crown[02:53:42] good Lord show me[02:53:46] [Music][02:53:48] away oh Sinners let's go down let's go[02:53:54] down come on down oh Sinners let's go[02:54:00] down down in the river[02:54:05] to as the sun went down over Skinwalker[02:54:09] Ranch I thought about these people and[02:54:13] their ghosts[02:54:15] that some say haunt this[02:54:22] land I am setting up my tent in front of[02:54:25] Homestead 2 here on Skinwalker Ranch[02:54:28] which according to the scientists and[02:54:29] people who work here is one of the most[02:54:32] as you would say haunted places on the[02:54:34] ranch a lot of activity has been[02:54:37] recorded happening here so naturally I'm[02:54:39] going to spend the night here for my[02:54:41] night on the ranch I set up a motion[02:54:43] detecting night vision trail camera to[02:54:46] monitor my campsite the entire night[02:54:49] also I had a military-grade night vision[02:54:51] monocular lent to me by the skinwalker[02:54:54] investigators and I had my video camera[02:54:57] with consumer grade night vision after[02:54:59] my cameraman left I was alone on the[02:55:02] ranch for the rest of the night another[02:55:05] piece of equipment I was told to bring[02:55:09] is a lightning strike detector[02:55:12] electrical interference this thing will[02:55:13] glow beep and alarm once set up the[02:55:17] first thing I did was obviously right[02:55:20] now I'm heading to the field where the[02:55:21] dino Beaver apparently appeared I went[02:55:25] to look for a dino beaver a half[02:55:28] dinosaur half beaver monster that[02:55:30] previous Skinwalker investigators[02:55:32] claimed came out of the field just south[02:55:34] of Homestead 2 so south of Homestead 2[02:55:39] right here but the dino Beaver field was[02:55:43] empty I saw Zero Dino beavers maybe Dino[02:55:48] beavers only come out after[02:55:52] midnight I crossed a small stream and[02:55:55] headed up to the abandoned Carriage[02:55:57] House this is where Fugal and his team[02:56:01] captured video of two glowing objects in[02:56:03] the middle of the day they had[02:56:06] previously shown me this video so I[02:56:09] figured I'd check it[02:56:10] out it's right up here is is where they[02:56:14] saw that thing on the[02:56:17] video right up in[02:56:19] here this area in this area[02:56:22] here so I don't see anything uh that[02:56:26] would explain those two objects that[02:56:28] were in[02:56:30] here[02:56:31] now there's this chair and a human body[02:56:35] siiz freezer for some[02:56:38] reason and claw[02:56:43] marks those aren't claw[02:56:45] marks and I bet it's locked oh it's not[02:56:50] oh okay just electrical[02:56:53] stuff okay I'm just I'm really glad I[02:56:56] don't know what I expected to be honest[02:56:58] with[02:56:59] you walking back to the main road I[02:57:02] heard a[02:57:04] noise okay I legit legitimately heard[02:57:08] something up down that way down this[02:57:11] road let get my big flashlight out[02:57:17] was what I was crossing the road here I[02:57:19] heard like a[02:57:21] thump a little[02:57:23] tap in that direction and I couldn't[02:57:26] help but notice multiple glowing objects[02:57:29] right in front of my camera that were[02:57:31] similar to other objects previously seen[02:57:34] on The[02:57:35] Ranch now I'd hate to bug you but I'm[02:57:39] looking for someone to help me anaiz[02:57:41] this[02:57:42] footage preferably someone really good[02:57:44] at Science and[02:57:50] Mathematics[02:57:52] Dre[02:57:54] dream won't you ride on my[02:57:58] dream dream Skinwalker Ranch was not the[02:58:02] first time Brandon fugle invested his[02:58:04] money into paranormal SL religious[02:58:08] investigations in 2004 he founded the[02:58:10] ancient Historical Research Foundation[02:58:13] or ah RF a group of Mormons who went on[02:58:16] Indiana Jones type quests in North and[02:58:19] South America looking for physical[02:58:21] evidence of the religious stories in the[02:58:23] Bible in Joseph Smith's Book of Mormon[02:58:26] The Book of Mormon claims Native[02:58:28] Americans are actually ancient[02:58:30] Israelites who sailed to America and[02:58:33] that God cursed them with darker skin[02:58:35] for their wickedness an educational[02:58:37] images used by the Mormon Church the[02:58:40] faithful followers of Christ are shown[02:58:42] with lighter skin in the the wicked evil[02:58:44] denters are shown with darker skin the[02:58:48] ahrf sought out physical evidence of[02:58:51] these ancient Book of Mormon[02:58:53] civilizations in presentations at Mormon[02:58:55] Don Brigham Young University the[02:58:57] foundation presented a hunt for[02:58:59] religious Stones ancient treasure and[02:59:02] the skeletal remains of Biblical giant[02:59:05] mummies giant[02:59:08] mummies a list of their projects showed[02:59:11] they were not only seeking evidence to[02:59:13] prove the Book of Mormon true but we're[02:59:15] also looking for evidence of Bigfoot and[02:59:18] UFOs fugle says he left the ahrf in 2005[02:59:23] just one year after founding it but the[02:59:26] organization's website listed him as[02:59:28] director as recently as 2020 fugle says[02:59:31] this error is due to the ahrf website[02:59:34] not being updated because the person in[02:59:36] charge of updating the website had been[02:59:38] sick and eventually died fugal's[02:59:41] biography on a 2017 SEC document lists[02:59:44] him as a current board member of ahrf[02:59:47] that year and his own biography on the[02:59:50] website of his current company colar[02:59:52] International listed him as being[02:59:54] involved with ahrf as recently as[02:59:58] 2022 regarding this factual[03:00:00] contradiction Fugal says I contributed[03:00:03] nothing to ahrf after[03:00:07] 2005 me won't you come with[03:00:12] me[03:00:14] after the sun set clouds blocked out the[03:00:17] moon and stars and the ranch was Pitch[03:00:20] Black I broke out the night vision[03:00:23] monocular and was amazed at what I saw I[03:00:26] could see right through the clouds and I[03:00:29] saw every star in the sky and it's at[03:00:32] this point that I saw multiple[03:00:35] unidentified objects uh the yep there he[03:00:39] goes another[03:00:40] one it's crazy this has been going on[03:00:42] though for now maybe 4 minutes I've seen[03:00:45] at least six objects you know what a[03:00:48] satellite looks like up in the sky when[03:00:50] it goes by like imagine that a little[03:00:52] brighter and just like tons of them in a[03:00:54] row since the monocular was not a camera[03:00:58] I tried my best to hold my camera up to[03:01:00] it but I couldn't see what it was seeing[03:01:03] luckily I did capture one of the[03:01:06] objects I saw 8 to 10 of these one at a[03:01:11] time flying in the same place place over[03:01:15] the course of 4 to 5[03:01:17] minutes I later went to inth the.org put[03:01:21] in the exact location and time of my[03:01:24] sighting and was able to determine that[03:01:27] what I was seeing was simply a line of[03:01:30] starlink satellites so a simple[03:01:34] explanation but I can see how someone at[03:01:36] Skinwalker Ranch maybe alone at night[03:01:40] could look up and think they were seeing[03:01:44] something[03:01:45] strange Eric Eric was that you around[03:01:50] this time I got a call on the radio from[03:01:52] Eric Bard and Thomas Winterton they said[03:01:55] a surveillance camera on top of the[03:01:57] rocky Mesa was capturing the audio of[03:02:01] someone or something screaming so[03:02:05] Steven the camera that was picking up[03:02:08] the voices is actually up on top of the[03:02:10] Mesa facing the West Field[03:02:15] right now they just said someone out[03:02:17] here was screaming Eric's name uh Eric[03:02:21] Eric at a[03:02:23] camera and he heard his name[03:02:26] Eric yeah he heard it three times uh and[03:02:30] it did sound like it was uh yelling so[03:02:34] if it wasn't you then it was somebody[03:02:36] else that's a negative on me I was not[03:02:38] yelling at all and I didn't say his name[03:02:42] copy that[03:02:44] that's weird I've been out here I[03:02:46] haven't heard any yelling that someone[03:02:48] was on top of the Mesa screaming Eric's[03:02:51] name over and over was a bit disturbing[03:02:55] so I took advantage of this creepy[03:02:57] moment to go inside the most haunted[03:03:00] place on the ranch Homestead[03:03:07] [Music][03:03:12] 2[03:03:16] in 2018 Brandon fugles as a staffer on[03:03:19] the Senate armed services committee[03:03:21] called him and asked if he'd come to[03:03:23] Washington DC to brief committee members[03:03:26] on Skinwalker[03:03:28] Ranch who called[03:03:30] you someone from Senator McCain's office[03:03:34] did they call on behalf of Senator[03:03:36] McCain I'm calling on behalf of the[03:03:38] senator who is interested is that[03:03:42] accurate yeah you're nodding yes okay at[03:03:46] the time Senator McCain was the head of[03:03:48] the Senate armed services Committee in[03:03:50] the staffer that called fugle was Thomas[03:03:53] Kurt McConnell who worked and works on[03:03:56] the committee staff McConnell did not[03:03:58] return multiple requests from me for[03:04:01] comment the senate committee however did[03:04:04] but we'll get to that in a[03:04:06] moment fugle says he prepared this[03:04:09] PowerPoint presentation on Skinwalker[03:04:11] Ranch and then flew to DC for the[03:04:14] briefing we go through metal detectors[03:04:16] were led into we meeting at a certain[03:04:18] building in Washington DC and we go into[03:04:21] this huge briefing room he shows me[03:04:23] photos taken during the briefing he[03:04:26] wouldn't allow me to capture these[03:04:28] photos on camera in the photos I saw men[03:04:31] in suits that I didn't recognize but[03:04:34] some other faces were familiar how put[03:04:37] off who was involved with Skinwalker[03:04:40] Ranch since[03:04:41] 1996 when Robert bigal first bought the[03:04:44] ranch and who later played a pivotal[03:04:46] role in selling the ranch to Fugal was[03:04:50] there and also I think that's Brenan[03:04:53] mccaran oh yeah that's yeah here's one[03:04:56] of them that's Brenan mccaran Brenan[03:04:58] mccurnin is a naval intelligence officer[03:05:01] who many people don't know about because[03:05:03] publicly he's mostly kept a low profile[03:05:06] a rare photo of him is seen here in a[03:05:08] naval public affairs publication[03:05:11] according to a former Pentagon official[03:05:13] mccaran has been involved with hunting[03:05:15] UFOs since at least[03:05:18] 2015 former Pentagon official Lou[03:05:20] alzando filed a complaint with the[03:05:23] Department of Defense inspector[03:05:24] General's office after the Pentagon[03:05:26] denied he was the director of an[03:05:29] official Pentagon UFO program in the[03:05:32] complaint which we previously reported[03:05:34] on elzando claims he ran this UFO[03:05:37] program until 2017 and that mccaran was[03:05:41] part of his team MC kin would go on to[03:05:44] become the director of the pentagon's[03:05:46] official UFO task force which was[03:05:49] created in August 2020 here's the[03:05:52] interesting thing as we commence the[03:05:55] presentation I was[03:05:57] interrupted by gentleman at the head of[03:05:59] the table and he said wait before we[03:06:01] proceed any[03:06:02] further I want to establish an[03:06:04] understanding all the gentlemen here Mr[03:06:08] Fugal that you're presenting to are all[03:06:11] very well aware of the reality of the[03:06:15] UFO phenomena so please dispense with[03:06:18] any part of your presentation that would[03:06:20] seek to convince us of the reality[03:06:21] because we already know who said that uh[03:06:25] one of the individuals okay leading the[03:06:28] discussion a source familiar with this[03:06:31] briefing told me that this was Shan[03:06:34] Kirkpatrick Kirkpatrick is the director[03:06:37] of the pentagon's current UFO office[03:06:40] called the all domain anomaly resolution[03:06:42] office or[03:06:46] Arrow hi this is Steve Green Street with[03:06:49] the New York Post I'm following up on an[03:06:51] email I reached out to the Senate armed[03:06:53] services committee to confirm and ask[03:06:56] about this 2018 meeting with Fugal and I[03:06:59] immediately got the runaround so I sent[03:07:03] an email already 3 days ago 4 days ago[03:07:07] now I guess um and I I just haven't[03:07:10] heard anything for weeks I called[03:07:13] emailed called some more last time I[03:07:17] called uh you guys said he was calling[03:07:19] me you know when he had a moment that[03:07:21] was you know a couple days ago I got the[03:07:24] feeling that someone didn't want to talk[03:07:26] about this and they were hoping I'd[03:07:29] simply go away but I didn't I was[03:07:32] curious if you could give me a timeline[03:07:35] on when I might get a[03:07:37] response oh my God I have spent weeks[03:07:42] that have turned turned into[03:07:44] months just to get answers to basic[03:07:48] questions did this happen who was there[03:07:51] why did it happen finally after 2 months[03:07:54] I finally got a response a committee[03:07:57] spokesperson States in 2018 Mr Fugal[03:08:01] updated a handful of Senate staffers on[03:08:03] plans for his properties no senators[03:08:06] were involved and no subsequent[03:08:08] briefings were[03:08:10] held this makes no sense[03:08:14] first of all I saw photos of this[03:08:17] briefing so they're saying it was just a[03:08:19] hand oh it was just a handful of Senate[03:08:21] staffers it no Department of Defense[03:08:24] officials were there also they say[03:08:28] staffers on the Senate armed services[03:08:30] committee fly a Utah Real Estate Mogul[03:08:35] to DC to brief them on plans for his[03:08:38] real estate[03:08:39] properties that makes zero sense ugle[03:08:43] says this briefing was all about[03:08:44] Skinwalker the sole purpose was about[03:08:47] skin walker Ranch I emailed the[03:08:49] spokesperson these follow-up questions[03:08:51] to no response I called and emailed some[03:08:55] more again to no response if this was[03:08:59] like about a scandal some you know[03:09:01] whether it be a sexual Scandal or some[03:09:03] kind of embezzlement or fraud or just[03:09:06] something massive I could understand the[03:09:09] runaround and avoiding me and stuff like[03:09:12] that but it's about a spooky haunted[03:09:16] Ranch behind the scenes a former[03:09:19] government official told me that in the[03:09:21] government there are many fans of UFOs[03:09:23] in Skinwalker Ranch fans who[03:09:26] unofficially and out of personal[03:09:28] interest seek out the Paranormal often[03:09:31] during the workday on the taxpayer's[03:09:34] dime I reached out multiple times to the[03:09:37] Department of Defense for comment on all[03:09:40] of this they did not[03:09:45] respond I entered Homestead 2 and within[03:09:49] minutes heard several[03:09:54] noises what was[03:09:57] [Music][03:10:00] that I heard a thump over[03:10:04] here so this is[03:10:08] creepy did you hear[03:10:11] that right here[03:10:14] so over there I heard a[03:10:19] thump and I just heard it[03:10:26] again I swear to God I keep hearing[03:10:30] it[03:10:34] what so I've heard like four low thumps[03:10:37] one high thump who knows I mean[03:10:39] everything moves in this building cuz[03:10:41] it's like falling apart[03:10:44] did you hear that I hope the camera[03:10:46] captured that that was a loud[03:10:49] one I attributed the thumps to maybe the[03:10:52] dilapidated structure moving as I walked[03:10:55] around or maybe an[03:10:58] animal walking outside of the building[03:11:01] something flew right past me whoa holy[03:11:05] crap what was that it was just a[03:11:07] blur no[03:11:10] sound flew right up into here I thought[03:11:13] maybe it was a bat but I couldn't tell[03:11:17] entering the next building I found a bat[03:11:21] Jesus Christ that's a[03:11:23] bat so it was a bat I[03:11:26] saw before moving on I noticed a cross[03:11:30] space under the homestead I'm not[03:11:33] getting in there dude and it's not[03:11:35] because of spooky stuff it's because of[03:11:36] rattlesnakes I turned on my night vision[03:11:39] to peek[03:11:41] inside[03:11:52] ah sorry that was fake I just felt like[03:11:56] you deserved at least one good[03:11:59] [Music][03:12:06] scare in a 2012 National Geographic[03:12:09] video this future Skinwalker Ranch[03:12:12] investig Ator listed his scientific[03:12:14] qualifications to include alien[03:12:18] invasions I'm a subject matter expert in[03:12:20] space defense asymmetric Warfare rocket[03:12:23] science and alien[03:12:25] invasions this is Travis Taylor he[03:12:28] doesn't like me very much and he was not[03:12:30] present when I visited Skinwalker Ranch[03:12:33] but he's arguably the star of The Secret[03:12:35] of Skinwalker Ranch on the History[03:12:36] Channel so let's get to know him there[03:12:39] is something glowing in the sky let's go[03:12:42] talk to to it Taylor has multiple[03:12:44] Science degrees from multiple[03:12:46] universities his two phds are in Optical[03:12:49] science in AA Space Engineering[03:12:52] throughout his career he's worked on[03:12:53] various programs for the Department of[03:12:55] Defense including the US Army space and[03:12:57] missile defense command he's also an[03:13:00] avid Storyteller the author of 19[03:13:02] science fiction books with titles like[03:13:04] one day on Mars Human by choice and[03:13:08] Bringers of[03:13:09] hell and for the last 13 years he's[03:13:12] appeared on multiple TV shows he starred[03:13:15] in Rocket City Rednecks a reality show[03:13:17] where self-described rednecks do various[03:13:19] science experiments in one episode they[03:13:22] build a rocket powered by[03:13:26] [Applause][03:13:30] Moonshine more recently Taylor is known[03:13:33] for his appearance in almost 40 episodes[03:13:35] of Ancient Aliens a show which promotes[03:13:38] the pseudo scientific idea that humans[03:13:41] were created by aliens or descended from[03:13:45] Aliens or something like that Taylor[03:13:47] says he's been an expert on the Ancient[03:13:49] Aliens Theory since he was 10 years old[03:13:52] a small sample of Taylor's other[03:13:54] paranormal claims include a personal[03:13:57] encounter with a Native American Ghost a[03:13:59] native walked in to my bedroom an old a[03:14:02] really old native who he says touched[03:14:04] him and cut his face and when I looked[03:14:06] in the mirror I was bleeding from that[03:14:09] spot and also a story about how the[03:14:11] skinwalker Poltergeist decapitated one[03:14:13] of his chickens I had like an[03:14:15] electromagnetic attack over my chicken[03:14:17] house and decapitated a chicken back in[03:14:21] 2019 while filming season 1 of The[03:14:24] Secret of Skinwalker Ranch Taylor says[03:14:26] he went to the Pentagon to brief some[03:14:28] Curious officials about what he was[03:14:30] seeing on the ranch and it was there he[03:14:33] says that he met Jay Stratton for the[03:14:35] first[03:14:37] time this is Jay Stratton he was a naval[03:14:40] intelligence officer who over over the[03:14:42] course of 30 years held many positions[03:14:45] in the Department of Defense many don't[03:14:48] know his name because he's only just[03:14:50] recently retired and made his first[03:14:52] public appearances but while in the[03:14:55] government Stratton was involved with[03:14:57] UFOs and Skinwalker Ranch for at least[03:15:00] 15 years back in 2007 Stratton says he[03:15:04] read the book hunt for the skinwalker[03:15:07] along with his coworker James latsky at[03:15:09] the defense intelligence agency our[03:15:12] previous report debunks many aspects of[03:15:14] this book which contains many spooky[03:15:17] stories but provides no evidence at all[03:15:20] to back up any of its claims despite[03:15:23] this both Stratton and latky were[03:15:25] fascinated by the book and its stories[03:15:27] of UFOs ghosts and monsters laty lobbied[03:15:32] Senator Harry Reid to acquire $22[03:15:35] million to study UFOs in Skinwalker[03:15:38] Ranch latsky was the director of this[03:15:41] study a a program called ASAP and[03:15:44] Stratton was a lead[03:15:46] investigator in lat's self-published[03:15:49] book about ASAP he refers to Stratton[03:15:52] with a pseudonym Jonathan Axelrod but[03:15:55] it's now been confirmed to me by[03:15:57] multiple sources that Axel Rod is[03:15:59] Stratton the book says Stratton first[03:16:02] went to Skinwalker Ranch in 2009 and[03:16:05] while there he became possessed or[03:16:07] infected with a poltergeist and that it[03:16:10] followed him home in tormented his[03:16:12] family the following is a partial list[03:16:15] of what Stratton reportedly encountered[03:16:18] a huge wolf-like creature screaming[03:16:21] black shadowy humanoids nightmarish dog[03:16:24] men dark humanoid[03:16:27] creatures even after oap was shut down[03:16:30] in 2012 Stratton continued his pursuit[03:16:33] of the Paranormal utilizing his position[03:16:35] at the Pentagon to move the needle it's[03:16:38] reported that Stratton used his clout to[03:16:41] create an official UFO task force within[03:16:43] the Pentagon he would then become the[03:16:46] director of this task force and that[03:16:48] brings us back to stratton's 2019[03:16:51] meeting with Travis Taylor at the[03:16:54] meeting Stratton says he had a copy of[03:16:56] one of Taylor's books had read it and[03:16:58] was very impressed it was a book about[03:17:01] how to defend Earth from a possible[03:17:03] Alien Invasion it was in this meeting[03:17:06] again a briefing about Skinwalker Ranch[03:17:08] that Stratton asked Taylor if he wanted[03:17:10] to join his UFO t Task Force at the[03:17:13] Pentagon Taylor says he responded Hell[03:17:17] yes for the next 2 to 3 years Travis[03:17:20] Taylor would secretly work with Jay[03:17:22] Stratton at the Pentagon hunting UFOs in[03:17:25] the Paranormal while also starring an[03:17:28] entertainment shows on the History[03:17:29] Channel about UFOs and the Paranormal I[03:17:33] say secretly because Brandon fugle and[03:17:36] the rest of the skinwalker crew say they[03:17:38] had no idea Taylor was doing this in[03:17:42] June 2022 after retiring from the[03:17:44] Pentagon Taylor finally went public with[03:17:47] his secret the skin walker crew was[03:17:51] shocked so it was a it was a bit of a a[03:17:53] shock in a video on the official[03:17:56] Skinwalker Ranch website Skinwalker[03:17:59] Chief security officer Brian Arnold[03:18:01] addresses this directly with Taylor it[03:18:04] it's hard to kind of wrap my head around[03:18:06] to find out that you know you had kind[03:18:09] of were wearing two hats Taylor states[03:18:11] he couldn't tell them about his Secret[03:18:13] Pentagon position because he swore an[03:18:16] oath not to I signed uh an oath I swore[03:18:20] oath actually to protect that[03:18:22] information so I couldn't do anything[03:18:24] about it but he tells the crew that he[03:18:25] used his Pentagon position to protect[03:18:28] them and the ranch from Men In Black I[03:18:33] was giving you guys back cover Jay uh[03:18:36] Stratton told me was that if we find[03:18:39] anybody doing anything illegal if we[03:18:40] find these Men in Black[03:18:42] uh that we're taking them down in UFO[03:18:45] folklore Men In Black are mythical[03:18:47] government agents that work to suppress[03:18:50] the truth about aliens and other things[03:18:52] often these men in black themselves are[03:18:55] paranormal appearing out of nowhere with[03:18:58] strange sometimes ghostly faces however[03:19:01] Beyond stories there is no evidence that[03:19:03] they even exist it should be noted that[03:19:06] Travis Taylor has publicly said that he[03:19:09] thinks I Steven Green Street just might[03:19:12] be working for these nefarious men in[03:19:14] black man it sure does seem like some of[03:19:16] these guys uh like Green Street for[03:19:18] example have have a motivation a shadow[03:19:21] group behind the curtain that's driving[03:19:24] this paying this funding this that maybe[03:19:26] these men in black are paying me to[03:19:28] debunk things like Skinwalker Ranch if[03:19:31] we find you know some Shadow[03:19:33] organization or some men in black or[03:19:35] whatever then they're breaking the law[03:19:36] yeah absolutely and we need to find them[03:19:38] and bring them to justice this is of[03:19:40] course not true[03:19:42] and is utterly[03:19:46] ridiculous I was told by someone who[03:19:49] previously spent years on the ranch to[03:19:53] walk to the west gate that borders the[03:19:55] Native American reservation and to pay[03:19:58] attention to how I felt once I got there[03:20:02] they told me every time they did this[03:20:05] that they felt and experience something[03:20:07] strange and sometimes[03:20:10] frightening[03:20:13] arriving at the gate I felt fear for the[03:20:16] first time of the[03:20:18] night now that I've finished I've walked[03:20:21] to the end of the line[03:20:23] literally I can feel in my[03:20:26] brain[03:20:28] uh that spooky a little bit of the[03:20:31] spooky feeling starting to feel it a[03:20:33] little[03:20:34] bit for some reason I feel like I have[03:20:37] to say I Harbor[03:20:39] no ill[03:20:44] emotions or[03:20:47] intentions and then my lightning strike[03:20:49] detector went[03:20:51] off my lightning strike detector just[03:20:53] went off it just beeped and it said[03:20:56] relocate that[03:20:57] means right where I[03:21:00] am there's some kind of electrical thing[03:21:03] and then my eyes started to burn God[03:21:07] Jesus hi my face started to burn[03:21:13] what the[03:21:15] f I went back to my campsite and poured[03:21:18] water on my eyes and face to no[03:21:23] [Music][03:21:29] avail God damn it this hurting my[03:21:34] eyes look at my[03:21:37] eyes especially this[03:21:40] one a swall it[03:21:43] is what the hell was happening to[03:21:56] me Brandon fugle claims Skinwalker Ranch[03:22:00] is the biggest scientific Endeavor of[03:22:02] our time little old me Brandon fugle in[03:22:06] the commercial real estate sector is[03:22:08] running arguably the most aggressive[03:22:12] science Discovery program but when it[03:22:14] came time to Define Skinwalker Ranch in[03:22:17] legal documents the word science was[03:22:20] nowhere to be found Fugal trademarked[03:22:22] Skinwalker Ranch as a place of[03:22:25] entertainment for the purpose of[03:22:27] producing multimedia movies and TV shows[03:22:31] a location for entertainment Motion[03:22:32] Picture television exploitation the word[03:22:35] science doesn't appear oh why uh my[03:22:39] initial efforts to trademark Skinwalker[03:22:42] and Skinwalker Ranch was to control the[03:22:45] integrity and to preserve the Integrity[03:22:47] of what we're doing fugle says he[03:22:49] trademark Skinwalker for purposes of[03:22:51] entertainment to prevent others from[03:22:53] using the skinwalker name on various[03:22:56] books movies and websites which is[03:22:59] something that's happened many times in[03:23:01] the past I don't know that you can[03:23:03] trademark scientific research but you[03:23:06] could trademark a Scientific Company you[03:23:08] could trademark a scientific Endeavor a[03:23:11] scientific[03:23:13] well I don't think apple or SpaceX has[03:23:15] filed a trademark for uh I may be wrong[03:23:19] I'd be surprised to learn that SpaceX as[03:23:22] a brand trademarked themselves as a[03:23:24] Entertainment Television Motion Picture[03:23:27] exploitation group a trademark for[03:23:29] SpaceX says its goods and services are[03:23:32] Aerospace Vehicles namely launch[03:23:35] vehicles and Rockets another SpaceX[03:23:38] document States in part that its primary[03:23:41] class is scientific and technological[03:23:44] services in research at what point[03:23:47] Brandon does Skinwalker[03:23:49] Ranch rise above being a book for sale[03:23:53] on Amazon or being a reality show on[03:23:55] History Channel it already has Game Over[03:23:58] Steven Green Street Skinwalker Ranch has[03:24:01] transcended books media we've proven[03:24:04] that there is a legitimate scientific[03:24:07] investigation and Discovery Fugal may[03:24:10] claim to have legitimate scientific[03:24:12] discoveries but he has yet to properly[03:24:14] present that have you had submitted for[03:24:17] peer review scientific peer[03:24:19] review not yet instead he and his crew[03:24:23] attend science fiction entertainment[03:24:25] conventions like alien con[03:24:28] phenomicon and fan X fans buy tickets to[03:24:33] attend and some of these tickets are[03:24:35] quite pricey the pricier tickets often[03:24:38] include VIP access autograph and selfies[03:24:43] in other words[03:24:45] entertainment and some Utah government[03:24:48] officials are spending taxpayer money to[03:24:51] invest in Skinwalker Ranch hoping to[03:24:54] drive up local tourism an investigation[03:24:57] by Erica luks and Jack Brewer at[03:24:59] expanding Frontiers research an[03:25:01] independent nonprofit revealed financial[03:25:04] documents showing you into County[03:25:05] officials worked with Skinwalker Ranch[03:25:07] crew members to create phenomicon a[03:25:11] convent mention where fans pay money to[03:25:13] meet paranormal celebrities like the[03:25:15] Skinwalker Ranch crew members documents[03:25:18] also show County officials paid[03:25:20] Skinwalker crew members tens of[03:25:22] thousands of dollars for their[03:25:24] appearances and involvement Travis[03:25:26] Taylor for example was paid a little[03:25:28] over $10,000 for his[03:25:31] participation now of course City County[03:25:33] and state governments hyping up a local[03:25:36] supposed paranormal location to generate[03:25:39] tourism is nothing new just look at the[03:25:42] city of Roswell New Mexico the location[03:25:45] of probably the most famous UFO case in[03:25:47] history Roswell is a kind of alien Mecca[03:25:51] the city's welcome sign has a flying[03:25:53] saucer on it and I'm sure annual profits[03:25:56] from tourism have become both expected[03:25:59] and essential to the city's income but[03:26:02] there is a big difference between[03:26:04] Skinwalker Ranch and a place like[03:26:06] Roswell Roswell doesn't claim visiting[03:26:09] its City could possibly kill you as we[03:26:12] previously reported the most shocking[03:26:14] Skinwalker claim is that an evil[03:26:16] Poltergeist which they call The[03:26:18] Hitchhiker can infect you attach itself[03:26:22] to you and then infect other people[03:26:25] around you in James latsky book about[03:26:28] his Skinwalker investigations he refers[03:26:31] to this Poltergeist as an infectious[03:26:33] agent a contagion and Compares it to[03:26:38] covid-19 I asked fugle if he agreed with[03:26:41] lat's claims about a contagious[03:26:44] hitchhiker hitchhikers an evil presence[03:26:47] that attaches itself to people and[03:26:49] spreads like a contagion yes The[03:26:52] Hitchhiker phenomena according to you is[03:26:55] real we have data demonstrating that[03:27:00] there is validity to those claims[03:27:02] illnesses and injuries have occurred at[03:27:06] your Ranch absolutely Jay Stratton[03:27:09] claims he became infected with the[03:27:11] hitchhiker in 2009 and that his family[03:27:14] suffered many health effects Travis[03:27:17] Taylor at phenomicon again an event[03:27:20] sponsored and promoted by Utah[03:27:22] government officials says J Stratton[03:27:25] infected his neighbor and that this[03:27:28] infection gave her cancer Taylor then[03:27:31] shockingly claims that Robert Bigalow[03:27:34] former owner of Skinwalker Ranch sold[03:27:37] the ranch in 2016 because the ranch[03:27:41] killed his wife this claim is even more[03:27:45] bizarre because Bigelow's wife died in[03:27:48] 2020 4 years after Bigalow sold the[03:27:52] ranch before I could visit Skinwalker[03:27:55] Ranch I had to sign a waiver that[03:27:58] acknowledged that the Paranormal might[03:28:00] hurt me injure me or even kill[03:28:04] me these are very serious claims and[03:28:08] fugle and his crew claimed to be very[03:28:10] serious ious about them we do take it[03:28:14] seriously we have brought in leading[03:28:17] healthc Care Professionals have you ever[03:28:18] contacted the[03:28:20] CDC no we've just referred anyone to[03:28:24] medical professionals we've had medical[03:28:26] attention immediately given to those who[03:28:30] have[03:28:32] experienced some of these things I could[03:28:34] understand you know someone trips and[03:28:35] falls a unique experience causes a[03:28:38] unique injury sure but when there is a[03:28:40] list and you're very public about this[03:28:42] on Twitter um you know you're very[03:28:45] public that there is an[03:28:46] ongoing consistent right physical threat[03:28:51] to the human body and to human beings[03:28:53] sure why haven't you called the[03:28:54] CDC uh because I don't know that the CDC[03:28:58] is capable of assessing or even[03:29:01] commenting on the nature of what we are[03:29:04] dealing with out there have you ever[03:29:06] contacted the National Institute of[03:29:08] Health the National Institute of[03:29:09] Sciences no offered to brief them no if[03:29:14] it was me and there was a especially a[03:29:16] place that I owned and it was a location[03:29:19] and I was inviting people in and some of[03:29:21] those people got hospitalized ongoing at[03:29:24] some point I'm going to go okay I got to[03:29:26] call in the big guns here and and also I[03:29:29] don't really trust the big guns I mean[03:29:31] here's the thing okay so you don't trust[03:29:32] the government you don't trust well I[03:29:33] don't trust any any Authority is just as[03:29:36] flawed speaking of flawed what do these[03:29:40] people who claim to have been[03:29:42] potentially exposed to a deadly pathogen[03:29:45] do they go on a national[03:29:50] tour and meet hundreds of people[03:29:54] infectious disease step right up get[03:29:58] your $20 selfies contagion get your[03:30:01] tickets now[03:30:04] covid-19 hell yeah I'll sign your alien[03:30:06] mannequin children suffering so much fun[03:30:11] death but wait there's more Fugal claims[03:30:15] the ranch can possibly injure or kill[03:30:17] you at any moment and then he flies out[03:30:20] celebrities for a tour of the ranch like[03:30:23] Trent resner post Malone and Darth Vader[03:30:29] who wouldn't want to bring Darth Vader[03:30:31] to Skinwalker Ranch I also invited Darth[03:30:34] cus Ian mcdiarmid but he chickened out[03:30:39] we do take it seriously[03:30:43] I can't emphasize enough how much this[03:30:46] makes no sense there is a complete lack[03:30:49] of logic[03:30:51] here but it gets[03:30:55] worse hey gentlemen I'd like you to meet[03:30:57] attorney general for the state of Utah[03:30:59] Shawn Reyes the Utah State Attorney[03:31:02] General Shawn Reyes appears on the[03:31:04] skinwalker TV show a couple of times[03:31:07] fugle says Reyes has been briefed for[03:31:10] years about the events at Skinwalker[03:31:12] Ranch Brandon's been keeping me updated[03:31:16] Rey says he speaks on behalf of the[03:31:18] citizens of Utah on behalf of the[03:31:20] citizens of the state of Utah and that[03:31:22] Skinwalker Ranch is an important issue[03:31:25] for the state these are important issues[03:31:28] for uh our state Beyond his appearances[03:31:30] on the show Reyes attends science[03:31:33] fiction conventions sitting next to[03:31:36] Fugal in the skinwalker crew I sent[03:31:39] reyes's multiple questions questions[03:31:41] about all of this to no[03:31:44] response why I emailed the governor of[03:31:47] Utah asking if Skinwalker per his[03:31:50] attorney general is in fact an important[03:31:53] issue for the state and if so what's[03:31:56] being done to keep people safe the[03:31:59] governor's office declined to comment[03:32:02] why United States Senator Mike Lee went[03:32:06] to Skinwalker Ranch with his staff and[03:32:09] was given a briefing by fugle fugle says[03:32:13] Lee and his staff signed the same Health[03:32:16] waiver I[03:32:18] did Senator Lee's office did not respond[03:32:21] to multiple requests for comment why why[03:32:26] are state and federal officials[03:32:27] seemingly endorsing and validating in[03:32:30] part claims of a deadly contagion that[03:32:33] harms human beings while at the same[03:32:36] time apparently doing nothing about it[03:32:39] Beyond appearing on a reality TV show in[03:32:42] attending sci-fi conventions these are[03:32:45] questions that demand[03:32:49] answers I got inside my tent hoping[03:32:53] sleep might alleviate my burning[03:32:58] eyes I woke up the next morning with my[03:33:02] eye still[03:33:04] swollen at this point I was convinced it[03:33:08] was simply my allergies to weeds and[03:33:11] grass the last time my eyes swelled like[03:33:14] this was 20 years ago while I was living[03:33:17] in[03:33:19] Utah I go back to Skinwalker[03:33:22] headquarters and Eric Bard reveals that[03:33:25] the noises I heard inside Homestead[03:33:29] 2 what was that could have been caused[03:33:33] by a group of raccoons that he saw on a[03:33:36] surveillance camera yes there were some[03:33:39] animals out there with you[03:33:42] um what kind of animals uh raccoons yeah[03:33:45] yeah and as for the screaming they heard[03:33:48] on top of the Mesa right now they just[03:33:51] said someone out here was screaming[03:33:54] Eric's name you heard your name yelled[03:33:57] last night no um right I just I'm glad[03:34:00] you're asking about this uh you know we[03:34:02] do have the family of raccoons that that[03:34:04] go up the the side of the Mesa also[03:34:08] probably[03:34:09] raccoons[03:34:13] after a few more minutes of[03:34:16] conversation I left Skinwalker[03:34:19] [Music][03:34:20] Ranch I stopped at a gas station and[03:34:24] bought some allergy[03:34:26] medicine and within a few hours I was[03:34:30] [Music][03:34:38] fine spending 24 hours at Skinwalker[03:34:42] Ranch did not convince me of its[03:34:44] paranormal claims the books don't[03:34:48] convince me and a reality show on the[03:34:50] History Channel doesn't either but the[03:34:53] show does however briefly reveal pieces[03:34:57] of data data that the skinwalker[03:35:00] investigators claim Prov something[03:35:02] spooky is going on all of this new data[03:35:06] that we have tells us there are some[03:35:07] really weird anomalies so I thought this[03:35:10] raw data might convince me but it's not[03:35:14] publicly available I tried to find some[03:35:17] of this data on the Skinwalker Ranch[03:35:19] website which you have to pay money for[03:35:22] because it says if you pay the money[03:35:24] they'll give you documentation of[03:35:26] current research so I broke out my[03:35:29] Mastercard and signed up but it was[03:35:31] mostly just more of the same some weird[03:35:35] photos some weird[03:35:38] videos and more spooky stories[03:35:41] there was no raw data so I emailed[03:35:44] Brandon and asked if he could send me[03:35:47] the best raw data he has regarding the[03:35:49] Paranormal on the ranch specifically I[03:35:52] wanted to see the raw data pointing to a[03:35:55] wormhole existing above the ranch the[03:35:58] Wormhole Theory comes from an episode[03:36:01] where they launch a balloon and then[03:36:03] lose the balloon and then launch some[03:36:05] rockets and then something happens to[03:36:07] the rockets and so Travis Taylor[03:36:10] suggests[03:36:11] what if the only way to explain all[03:36:13] these things is with a[03:36:16] wormhole he suggest that maybe the[03:36:18] balloon and the rockets went inside a[03:36:21] wormhole by the way how did he already[03:36:23] have that drawn on the chalkboard it[03:36:25] just looks like it took some time to do[03:36:27] and then it's just suddenly there did he[03:36:29] maybe do it a long time ago and was just[03:36:32] waiting for a wormhole discussion[03:36:34] anyways I asked fugle if he could send[03:36:37] me the best raw data he has and he said[03:36:40] said he would he just needed some time[03:36:43] so I waited and waited and waited after[03:36:48] 2 months I told him that I couldn't wait[03:36:51] anymore I had to finish this episode so[03:36:54] I gave him a hard[03:36:56] deadline finally 4 days after the[03:36:59] deadline he sent me the top evidences of[03:37:03] Skinwalker[03:37:05] Ranch multiple[03:37:08] paragraphs words describing spooky[03:37:12] things for visual aids he included clips[03:37:16] from the History Channel[03:37:17] show that's it that's all so if this is[03:37:22] the best that they have then they have a[03:37:26] whole lot of[03:37:27] nothing and maybe that's the real secret[03:37:31] of Skinwalker[03:37:33] Ranch Game Over Steven Green Street go[03:37:36] tell that long liar go tell that[03:37:40] Midnight Rider tell the Rambler The[03:37:43] Gambler the backer tell them God going[03:37:46] to cut them down tell them God's going[03:37:49] to put them down you can run out for a[03:37:53] long time run out for a long time run on[03:37:58] for a long time sooner or later got cut[03:38:02] you down sooner or later God will cut[03:38:05] you[03:38:05] [Music][03:38:08] down sooner or later got cut you down[03:38:12] sooner or later got to C[03:38:14] [Applause][03:38:23] you so that UFO story you know that one[03:38:27] you've probably already seen on various[03:38:29] news sites or perhaps seen trending on X[03:38:35] that UFO story also involves a werewolf[03:38:41] yes I said[03:38:44] werewolf Pentagon officials claimed it's[03:38:47] real and an image was recently released[03:38:50] showing for the first time what the[03:38:53] creature looked like but this story has[03:38:56] a very strange twist a Twist that[03:39:00] involves the country of New Zealand 22[03:39:04] million and an[03:39:07] [Music][03:39:08] Xbox since since 1995 Skinwalker Ranch[03:39:12] in Utah is a place that many people have[03:39:15] claimed is a hot spot for UFOs ghosts[03:39:19] and[03:39:20] monsters monsters like Bigfoot and[03:39:24] bulletproof wolf creatures no evidence[03:39:27] has ever been presented at all to[03:39:30] support any of this and my previous[03:39:32] reporting at the post has debunked much[03:39:36] if not all of Skinwalker Ranch as a[03:39:38] bunch of malarkey[03:39:40] as I previously reported in 2007 two[03:39:44] Pentagon officials named Jay Stratton[03:39:46] and James latsky read a book about[03:39:49] Skinwalker Ranch laty was a believer in[03:39:52] the skinwalker spooky stuff and so he[03:39:55] convinced Senator Harry Reid another[03:39:58] believer in spooky stuff to acquire $22[03:40:01] million to investigate spooky stuff like[03:40:04] Skinwalker Ranch and as I've previously[03:40:07] reported it was this program that the[03:40:10] news media erroneously reported about[03:40:14] they incorrectly labeled it a UFO[03:40:17] program without any mention of the[03:40:19] Skinwalker Ranch spooky stuff and to[03:40:22] this day the news media has yet to[03:40:25] correct itself continuing to report a[03:40:27] false story about a UFO program during[03:40:32] the actual program back in 2009 Stratton[03:40:36] went to Skinwalker Ranch and it's[03:40:38] claimed that while there he became[03:40:41] possessed or infected by a skinwalker[03:40:44] ghost and that it followed him back to[03:40:47] his home over 2,000 M away in the[03:40:50] Washington DC area in 2021 latsky[03:40:54] released a self-published book about[03:40:57] this $22 million Ghost Hunt and claimed[03:41:00] that after leaving Skinwalker Ranch[03:41:03] stratton's home became haunted by evil[03:41:06] spooky things that tormented him and his[03:41:09] family for years and that brings us to[03:41:12] the[03:41:13] werewolf latsky says the first werewolf[03:41:17] encounter happened in 2009 at night when[03:41:20] stratton's wife looked out their kitchen[03:41:23] window and saw a huge wolf creature[03:41:26] standing on two legs leaning against a[03:41:30] tree she claims the werewolf looked[03:41:33] right at her in a not friendly way and[03:41:36] then it disappeared Into the[03:41:39] Woods 3 Days Later stratton's teenage[03:41:42] Sons claim they saw the same werewolf[03:41:45] outside in their yard again the wolf[03:41:49] Monster looks at them and then goes away[03:41:52] Stratton and the other government Ghost[03:41:55] Hunters attributed the appearance of[03:41:57] this werewolf as a manifestation of the[03:42:00] Skinwalker Ranch spooky stuff that had[03:42:03] followed Stratton home to haunt him so[03:42:06] did The Stratton actually witness a real[03:42:09] werewolf[03:42:10] beyond the written stories no evidence[03:42:13] has ever been provided regarding these[03:42:15] encounters for example J Stratton says[03:42:18] he found claw marks on the tree that the[03:42:21] wolf Monster was leaning on he says he[03:42:24] has photos of these claw marks but he's[03:42:27] never released them as such it was up to[03:42:30] the reader to imagine what was lurking[03:42:33] outside stratton's Suburban[03:42:35] home but then in May[03:42:38] 2023 we finally got something to sink[03:42:41] our teeth into Rice University invited[03:42:44] col kellerer to give a presentation on[03:42:47] the $22 million program that[03:42:49] investigated Skinwalker Ranch kellerer[03:42:52] had been a part of this program and was[03:42:55] also the coauthor of these two books[03:42:57] about Skinwalker Ranch during his speech[03:43:01] kellerer discussed the Stratton werewolf[03:43:03] and for the first time we got to see[03:43:06] what they say this creature looked like[03:43:10] left panel shows a a a sort of a drawing[03:43:14] that was done on uh some of the family[03:43:17] members of this guy uh who had brought[03:43:20] stuff home with him and this is what[03:43:21] they uh both kids and the wife saw at[03:43:24] different times he says this was quote a[03:43:28] drawing that was done on some of the[03:43:30] family members that witnessed the wolf[03:43:32] creature the way he phrases that sounds[03:43:35] like a police sketch you know where a[03:43:38] sketch artist comes in list listens to a[03:43:40] physical description from a witness and[03:43:43] then draws a picture of the suspect so[03:43:46] let's look at this[03:43:48] suspect it's pretty scary isn't it could[03:43:51] you imagine seeing this thing at night[03:43:54] in your backyard unfortunately kaher[03:43:58] quickly moves on from the werewolf and[03:44:01] doesn't offer any additional details or[03:44:03] address some confusing things that were[03:44:05] on the werewolf slide such as why does[03:44:08] it say axle rod instead of Stratton well[03:44:12] as I previously reported the skinwalker[03:44:14] Ghost Hunters such as kellaher refer to[03:44:17] J Stratton as Jonathan Axel rod in their[03:44:21] books Axel Rod is simply a pseudonym for[03:44:25] Stratton also what the heck is balverine[03:44:29] is that the name of the werewolf is that[03:44:31] a specific breed of werewolf kellerer[03:44:35] never addresses this also something is[03:44:38] written next to the werewolf wolf sketch[03:44:40] I adjusted the contrast of the writing[03:44:43] and it says this born of a full moon[03:44:47] those said to be bitten who resisted[03:44:50] poison and cheated death becoming one of[03:44:54] the clan what[03:44:57] the kaher also never addresses this so I[03:45:02] did some Googling and this is where the[03:45:04] story of J stratton's werewolf goes from[03:45:07] weird to hilarious[03:45:11] this specific drawing that kellerer[03:45:13] claimed was a sketch quote done on some[03:45:16] of the Stratton family members after[03:45:18] their 2009 encounter is actually a piece[03:45:21] of fan art published on the website[03:45:24] Deviant Art in 2005 4 years before the[03:45:29] Stratton werewolf encounter the artist[03:45:32] lives in New Zealand and is a fan of the[03:45:35] video game Fable one of the monsters in[03:45:39] the video game is a werewolf called a[03:45:42] balverine and a balverine werewolf is a[03:45:45] specific fictional monster created[03:45:49] specifically for this one specific video[03:45:52] game what[03:45:55] the I posted this weird discovery on X[03:45:59] and amazingly Dean Carter the actual[03:46:02] creator of the Fable video game replied[03:46:06] he was shocked to see his video game[03:46:08] werewolf being used in University[03:46:11] speeches about a pentagon ghost hunting[03:46:14] program um I'm the guy who invented[03:46:17] valines this is the weirdest thing[03:46:19] that's ever happened to me regarding my[03:46:21] work for those who are concerned[03:46:23] balverines one aren't real two weren't[03:46:28] even very original Three[03:46:31] c.1 he then shared an early concept[03:46:34] sketch he had made of the balverine[03:46:36] werewolf complete with a pile of[03:46:39] werewolf[03:46:40] [Music][03:46:42] poo I reached out to com kaher and asked[03:46:46] him about why he had showed a 2005 fan[03:46:49] drawing of a video game werewolf to[03:46:52] represent a drawing done on the Stratton[03:46:55] family describing a creature they saw in[03:46:58] 2009 Mr kellerer responded and said this[03:47:02] when asked to describe what they saw the[03:47:04] witnesses pulled balverine from the[03:47:07] internet and told us that this balverine[03:47:09] character that they pulled from the[03:47:11] internet was the closest rendition they[03:47:13] could find of what they had witnessed I[03:47:16] also asked Mr kellerer if he thinks it's[03:47:18] possible that the Stratton kids who were[03:47:21] teenagers at the time were perhaps fans[03:47:23] of the Fable video game Mr kellerer said[03:47:26] he doesn't remember anyone mentioning[03:47:29] that specific game so all this video[03:47:32] game stuff notwithstanding The Stratton[03:47:35] still claim they saw a big hairy[03:47:38] creature outside their home home so what[03:47:40] was it I think I might have an[03:47:44] idea public records and Skinwalker Ranch[03:47:47] documents show that in 2009 The Stratton[03:47:50] lived in Mechanicsville Maryland[03:47:53] Mechanicsville and many other Suburban[03:47:55] areas in southern Maryland have had[03:47:58] multiple cases of wild black bears[03:48:01] stumbling into people's yards over the[03:48:03] years and residents are often shocked[03:48:06] and scared to see such a creature[03:48:08] wandering through suburb IA a quick[03:48:10] Google search brings up multiple cases[03:48:13] of black bears in and around the town[03:48:15] The Stratton lived in black bears are[03:48:18] known to sometimes stand up on two legs[03:48:21] like this and this The Stratton say the[03:48:26] creature they saw was leaning against a[03:48:28] tree black bears often stand up and[03:48:31] scratch their backs on trees like this[03:48:35] and this J Stratton says there were claw[03:48:39] marks on the tree in his yard this is a[03:48:42] photo of a black bear's claw marks on a[03:48:45] tree and a black bear suffering from[03:48:48] mange which is a common skin disease[03:48:51] does look kind of werewolf y so it looks[03:48:54] very possible that the Stratton actually[03:48:57] saw a black bear and that they[03:48:59] misidentified it as a[03:49:01] werewolf if so that wouldn't be the last[03:49:04] time Stratton misidentified[03:49:07] something because J Stratton was the[03:49:10] head of a pentagon task force charged[03:49:13] with investigating unidentified craft[03:49:16] over American skies for years Stratton[03:49:20] thought he was seeing other worldly UFOs[03:49:23] he thought he was seeing something[03:49:26] spooky but we now know that some of[03:49:28] stratton's UFOs were actually foreign[03:49:32] spycraft Stratton and his task force had[03:49:36] misidentified[03:49:37] them after a Chinese spy balloon was[03:49:40] shot out of the sky in early[03:49:43] 2023 it was reported that similar[03:49:46] balloons had been flying over America[03:49:49] for years but during this time in the[03:49:53] Pentagon Stratton quote was diverting[03:49:56] government resources to researching[03:49:58] truly unconventional UFOs at the expense[03:50:02] of addressing Chinese balloons Stratton[03:50:05] left the task force and was replaced as[03:50:08] its director after complaints from some[03:50:11] defense officials that he was quote[03:50:14] crazy and they stated they became[03:50:16] concerned he was crazy after hearing him[03:50:19] talk about the ghosts of Skinwalker[03:50:22] Ranch and the Wolfman stalking his[03:50:34] [Music][03:50:38] house[03:50:40] [Music]
BOX - METHODOLOGICAL JUSTIFICATION: THE HUMAN-AI ARCHITECTURE
FROM EXECUTION TO ARCHITECTURE
The production of this report serves as another practical case study in the evolution of modern work. A first similar report was published about the impact of AI. The text of this report, largely compiled by AI from video sources, shows that the successful application of Artificial Intelligence is not a replacement for human agency, but a mandate for its evolution. The human researcher involved transitioned from a traditional "executor" of analysing and writing tasks to a "Director" or an "Architect of Outcomes". In an era where AI can process vast transcripts and draft complex analyses, the human value-add has shifted to Meta-Cognition - identifying which geopolitical and economic problems are worth exploring - and Strategic Synthesis - combining disparate AI-generated insights into this coherent and relevant report. This collaboration represents a "Human-in-the-Loop" methodology, where the algorithm provides the analytical muscle while the human provides the ethical and strategic compass.
DATA ACQUISITION AND AUTOMATED TRANSCRIPTION
The foundation of this research was a curated selection of high-level video content (YouTube).
To manage the scale of the data, a custom PHP-based automation was developed to interface with the TranscriptAPI.
- The Process: This script systematically retrieved raw transcripts, ensuring that metadata - such as video titles, author information, and precise timestamps - was preserved.
- The Goal: By automating the "execution" of data retrieval, the researcher was freed to focus on the "architecture" of the inquiry.
INTERROGATIVE ANALYSIS (THE Q&A FRAMEWORK)
Rather than allowing the AI to generate generic summaries, a rigorous interrogative method was employed using GPT-4o. The AI was asked to collect information about some ten different topics and contributed to this selection based on the video sources.
The AI was strictly constrained to the provided transcript. This ensured that the resulting data remained grounded in the primary source material, preventing "hallucinations" and preserving the unique nuances of the expert speakers.
The outputs were consolidated into a structured CSV format, creating a searchable and verifiable knowledge base for the final drafting phase.
The results of the AI analyses on the videos from a playlist are available via these link:
https://vidstance.com/vidstance-18
https://vidstance.com/vidstance-19
NARRATIVE SYNTHESIS AND EDITORIAL REFINEMENT
The final stage involved the synthesis of these structured insights into the report. This was performed using Gemini 3 Flash and GPT 5.1 and 5.2, acting as a sophisticated research assistants.
- Strategic Synthesis: The AI integrated the collected data with the broader available full transcripts. The human architect guided this process by defining the narrative arc and ensuring that the tone remained professional and aligned with British English (UK) standards.
- Citations and Verification: A systematic referencing system was maintained throughout, ensuring that every claim in the report can be traced back to the original video source via the consolidated reference list. However, some hallucinations were noticed, so the referencing may contain errors.
THE SYNERGY OF INTELLIGENCE
This methodology demonstrates that the future of high-level research lies in the synergy between human and machine. The AI provided the speed and scale necessary to process thousands of minutes of video to an acceptable non-scientific report, while the human researcher provided the Empathy, Ethics, and Strategic Vision required to turn raw data into a meaningful contribution to the discourse on in this case UAPs and the Pentagon.
ABOUT VIDSTANCE.COM
This report, more information about this report, the video sources and other reports (work in progress) are availabe on vidstance.com. VidStance captures, structures this "oral living knowledge." It is also a tribute to the creators of high-quality content published on YouTube; their work provides intellectual raw material for the public debates of the 21st century.